Concept of adoption in Islam

[mpartyka]

The Quran, Surah 33:4-5 – Allâh has not put for any man two hearts inside his body. Neither has He made your wives whom you declare to be like your mothers’ backs, your real mothers. Nor has He made your adopted sons your real sons. That is but your saying with your mouths. But Allâh says the truth, and He guides to the Way. Call them by their fathers, that is more just with Allâh. But if you know not their fathers’ names, call them your brothers in faith and your freed slaves. And there is no sin on you if you make a mistake therein, except in regard to what your hearts deliberately intend. And Allâh is Ever Oft Forgiving, Most Merciful.

From the introduction of Syed Maududi to Surah 33:

Though the period of two years between the Battles of Uhud and the Trench was a period of disturbance and turmoil and the Holy Prophet and his Companions could hardly relax in peace and security even for a day, the work of reform as a whole and the reconstruction of the Muslim society continued uninterrupted. This was the time when the Islamic laws pertaining to marriage and divorce were complemented; the law of inheritance was introduced, drinking and gambling were prohibited, and the new laws and regulations concerning many other aspects of the economic and social life were enforced.

In this connection, an important thing that needed to be reformed was the question of the adoption of a son. **Whoever was adopted by the Arabs as a son was regarded as one of their own offspring: he got share in inheritance; he was treated like a real son **and real brother by the adopted mother and the adopted sister; he could not marry the daughter of his adopted father and his widow after his death. And the same was the case if the adopted son died or divorced a wife. The adopted father regarded the woman as his real daughter-in-law. This custom clashed in every detail with the laws of marriage and divorce and inheritance enjoined by Allah in Surahs Al-Baqarah and An-Nisa. It made a person who could get no share in inheritance entitled to it at the expense of those who were really entitled to it. It prohibited marriage between the men and the women who could contract marriage perfectly lawfully. And, above all, it helped spread the immoralities which the Islamic Law wanted to eradicate. For a real mother and a real sister and a real daughter cannot be like the adopted mother and the adopted sister and the adopted daughter, however one may try to sanctify the adopted relations as a custom. When the artificial relations endued with customary sanctity are allowed to mix freely like the real relations, it cannot but produce evil results. That is why the Islamic law of marriage and divorce, the law of inheritance and the law of the prohibition of adultery required that the concept and custom of regarding the adopted son as the real son should be eradicated completely.

This concept, however, could not be rooted out by merely passing a legal order saying, The adopted son is not the real son. The centuries old prejudices and superstitions cannot be changed by mere word of mouth. Even if the people had accepted the command that these relations were not the real relations, they would still have looked upon marriage between the adopted mother and the adopted son, the adopted brother and the sister, the adopted father and the daughter, and the adopted father-in-law and the daughter-in-law odious and detestable. Moreover, there would still exist some freedom of mixing together freely. Therefore, it was inevitable that the custom should be eradicated practically, and through the Holy Prophet himself. For no Muslim could ever conceive that a thing done by the Holy Prophet himself, and done by him under Allah’s Command, could be detestable. Therefore, a little before the Battle of the Trench, the Holy Prophet was inspired by Allah that he should marry the divorced wife of his adopted son, Zaid bin Harithah, and he acted on this Command during the siege of the Bani Quraizah.

When discussing this on a Muslim forum, I was told that although Muslim couples can adopt, their adopted children are never considered the couples’ “real” children, nor can the adopted children receive a share of the inheritance reserved for the biological children of the adopting couple.

Isn’t it interesting how Islam’s view on adoption is targeted right at the very heart of Christian belief?

Romans 8:15 – …ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Ephesians 1:3,5,10-11,13-14 – Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath…predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will…in whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will…in whom also after that ye believed, **ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, which is the earnest of our inheritance **until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

Revelation 21:7 – He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

Anyone who tries to reconcile the Bible with the Quran needs to recognize the futility of his/her efforts. Christianity and Islam are religions at war, and they always will be. We must love Muslims – our heavenly Father demands no less from us – but we must do so by showing them the love of the gospel and inviting them to turn away from Mohammad and start following Jesus Christ, the Son of God.

–Mike

 

[meedo]

Hi,

I think you dont get the full picture. Islam only prohibits erasing the adopted child heritage or ancestry. it is actually a very good and humane rule. Every child on this planet have a right to know his ancestry. Thus islam prohibits giving people their names over the adopted child.

moreover, islam encourages people to take care of orphans and to treat them best of treatement. There is no where in islam where it says that you should treat an adopted child differently than your real child. You can set aside money while you are alive for this orphan . Inheritance is a term used in Islam for teh relatives of teh deceased. just take a fund out of your own money before you die and invest it in the orphans name.

i don’t see any reason to attack islam , infact on teh contrary i think it has very humane and noble rules when dealing with orphans. Infact , tehre is a narratyion that the prophet muhammed PBUH says that whoever taeks good care of an orphan becomes his neighbour in heaven. It is a great honor for any muslim to become the neighbour of the prophet in heaaven. this shows how important the subject is for muslims and islam.

hope i clarified.

Meedo

 

[Verisimilitude]

Surah 33:4-5 is in response to Mohammed marrying his adopted son’s wife, Zaynab.

Mohammed (then 25) first wife Khadijah gave him a slave boy as a wedding gift named Zaid whom they later freed and adopted as a son who lived with them seemingly for at least the 15 years until his first visitation in the cave at Hira when Mohammed was 40 and Islam was born. Khadijah is reported as the first convert but odds are Zaid was the first male convert to Islam.

It was common Islamic practice, like the Christian and Jews and even the poltytheists that adoption is binding as family and heir to the adopted with full rights and responsibilities just as most cultures around the world accept adoption.

Why Zaid and Zaynab divorced is an interesting story but more interesting is the controversey Mohammeds intent to marry his former daughter-in-law caused among the Moslem and non Moslem communities. It was considered incest then just as most cultures think it still is.

Reading further in chapter 33:

37 And (remember) when you said to him (Zaid bin Harithah the freedslave of the Prophet SAW) on whom Allah has bestowed Grace (by guiding him to Islam) and you (O Muhammad SAW too) have done favour (by manumitting him) “Keep your wife to yourself, and fear Allah.” But you did hide in yourself (i.e. what Allah has already made known to you that He will give her to you in marriage) that which Allah will make manifest, you did fear the people (i.e., Muhammad SAW married the divorced wife of his manumitted slave) whereas Allah had a better right that you should fear Him. So when Zaid had accomplished his desire from her (i.e. divorced her), We gave her to you in marriage, so that (in future) there may be no difficulty to the believers in respect of (the marriage of) the wives of their adopted sons when the latter have no desire to keep them (i.e. they have divorced them). And Allahs Command must be fulfilled.
38 There is no blame on the Prophet (SAW) in that which Allah has made legal for him.That has been Allahs Way with those who have passed away of (the Prophets of) old. And the Command of Allah is a decree determined.

Zaynab demanded a revelation from allah to accept Mohammeds proposal and she got it.

Much like how the verse for the veil came about during the marriage of father-in-law Mohammed and daughter-in-law Zaynab.

Narrated Umar: I said, “O Allah’s Apostle! good and bad persons enter upon you, so I suggest that you order the mothers of the Believers (i.e. your wives) to observe veils.” Then Allah revealed the Verses of Al-Hijab. (Book #60, Hadith #313)

Moments later:

O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodies (i.e.screen themselves completely except the eyes or one eye to see the way). That will be better, that they should be known (as free respectable women) so as not to be annoyed. And Allah is Ever OftForgiving, Most Merciful.
( سورة الأحزاب , Al-Ahzab, Chapter #33, Verse #59)

A suggestion to Mohammed gets an answer from god…or so they tell us to believe.

meedo goes on about orphans but doesnt clarify the orpahns the Quran is speaking of are Moslem orphans whos parents were killed in the battles Mohammed led them to die in. Moslem orphans. It is why there were so many widows he was allowed to marry more than teh 4 alloted to others.

Generally, any quranic verese that speaks of generosity and giving of alms to others is intended to other Moslems only, not the non-Moslem orphan, begger, or neighbor. In the quran a brother is not just any human being as with Christianity, it is a Moslem brother.

There is a general disdain or hostility when speaking about any Non-Moslem in the Quran.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

The Quran, Surah 33:4-5 – Allâh has not put for any man two hearts inside his body. Neither has He made your wives whom you declare to be like your mothers’ backs, your real mothers. Nor has He made your adopted sons your real sons. That is but your saying with your mouths. But Allâh says the truth, and He guides to the Way. Call them by their fathers, that is more just with Allâh. But if you know not their fathers’ names, call them your brothers in faith and your freed slaves. And there is no sin on you if you make a mistake therein, except in regard to what your hearts deliberately intend. And Allâh is Ever Oft Forgiving, Most Merciful.

Actually this is a condemnation of the practice of a younger man giving up his wife to an older man in exchange for being adopted by the older man to be heir to his fortune, since it creates the sinful condition of the younger man having slept with his adopted mother who was once his wife, and the older man having slept with his daughter-in-law.

Leviticus 18:8 The nakedness of thy father’s wife shalt thou not uncover: it is thy father’s nakedness.

Leviticus 18:10 The nakedness of thy son’s daughter, or of thy daughter’s daughter, even their nakedness thou shalt not uncover: for theirs is thine own nakedness.

It’s not a prohibition of adoption in general.

 

[ZuzuBailey]

Before Allah discusses ideas and theoretical matters, He gives tangible examples: one man cannot have two hearts in his body, and a man’s wife does not become his mother if he says the words of Zihar to her: "You are to me like the back of my mother.’’ By the same token, an adopted child does not become the son of the man who adopts him and calls him his son. *

So, the Qur’an is very clear on this matter. There is no adoption as we understand it in our day in age. Does this mean that there is no adoption in Islam? The answer is no. There is adoption in Islam; it just has a different meaning. The adopted children are not really “your children”. They are just people living under your care, but they are not your kids. They will not inherit you. They cannot take your name. To be honest with the reader, if Muhammad was alive today and told me that, I would have hanged him by the hair of his beard so he can feel some pain for a while, maybe this will straighten his thinking about adoption. You see, I have mentioned I am an adoptive parent, and those are my children whether Muhammad likes it or not. It is really irrelevant what Muhammad did or believed in 1400 years ago in primitive Arabia. The fact of the matter is this: Muhammad got the above verses to justify a shameful and scandalous act he did; his “hidden” encouragement to Zaid, his adoptive son, to divorce his very beautiful wife, Zaynab, so that the shameless old man can marry her. This matter has been well researched on this site, as well as many other sites on the web.

A pertinent question now is this: how can a Muslim defend Islam’s view regarding adoption? A clear answer is that such a view cannot be defended. It is a view that is not compatible with modern day life, and not compatible with the human feelings and nature. Even during the time of Muhammad, Arabs pounded him regarding the shameful act he did in marrying his adoptive son’s wife (after Zaid divorced her off course). That is why he had to resort to “divine revelation” to quiet the critics.

Let us see how a pro-Islamic website defends Islam’s view on adoption. Here is the website link to what I’ll be quoting below:

Web site

This website had a question from someone asking if adoption is prohibited in Islam. Here is how that website answers the question:

Islam does not prohibit adoption. However, the Islamic concept of adoption is somewhat different from that of the modern concept. The Qur’an has clearly directed the Muslims to maintain for their adopted children the names of their real fathers and if their real fathers are not known, then they should be considered and called brethren in faith or the adopted children of the person concerned (Al-Ahzaab 33: 5).

So, it seems clear that adopted children are not “your children”. They are just brethren in faith. In a sense, this really makes your adopted children no more than someone you meet on the street. If you are a Christian, for instance, when you go to the Mall, you are going to be passing by a lot of Christians. Those are your “brethren in faith”. In the same way, that is how Islam views a good adopted child.

The answer on that web site continues:

This directive clearly implies that adoption of a child per se is not only allowed in Islam but the Prophet (pbuh)'s example has encouraged it as a great social service and a humane act. The directive regarding naming the child after his real father is obviously to avoid all kinds of psychological, social and emotional trauma for the child at a later stage in life. *

more info here

 

[mpartyka]

Islam only prohibits erasing the adopted child heritage or ancestry. it is actually a very good and humane rule. Every child on this planet have a right to know his ancestry. Thus islam prohibits giving people their names over the adopted child.

Which is essentially the same thing as saying, “You belong with our family, but you don’t belong to our family.” Having the family name is a sign of belonging, of being truly one of the family. This doesn’t mean that you can’t have anything to do with your birth parents. It just means that so far as society is concerned, you’ve been transferred out of your birth family and into your adoptive family.

There is no where in islam where it says that you should treat an adopted child differently than your real child.

There are two ways, actually:

1. You can’t give the child your name.
2. Unless you make specific provision for your adopted children, they inherit nothing upon your death.

You can set aside money while you are alive for this orphan. Inheritance is a term used in Islam for the relatives of the deceased. just take a fund out of your own money before you die and invest it in the orphans name.

You’re not getting the point. Before Islam hit the scene, to my knowledge, the concept of adoption meant, “The child you adopt becomes your real child and has an equal right to the inheritance.” In Christianity, this original concept of adoption – that we stop being the children of the devil and start being the children of God – is a first principle. Islam denies this first principle altogether, and thereby denies the gospel.

According to the gospel, God’s adoption of Christians means that Christians are truly His children and, therefore, His heirs who will inherit the kingdom. According to Islam, God’s adoption of Christians means nothing. That’s why I perceive Islam’s distortion of the concept of adoption to be a subtle attack on Christianity: Muslims are taught through Islam that adoption by God means nothing more than, “God provides for you.” To a Christian, the concept of adoption by God conveys so much more because the concept of adoption itself conveys so much more than it does in Islam.

–Mike

 

[Sister_Amy]

Shari’ah in Islam is to preserve five things–life, property, intellect, lineage, and religion.

It is important that a child who is adopted knows who is real parents are. Why? Because they might have had other children who would then be his brothers and sisters. Specifically, he could not marry those girls–it would be incest!

But if he did not know who his parents were, nor his parents knew who he was, then how could such a thing be prevented?

It is also his right to inherit from his parents. Many times an orphan would be taken care of by someone else, and the orphan had inherited wealth–the caretaker was not supposed to take any of the orphan’s wealth, because it doesn’t belong to him, it belonged to the orphan.

So this part of Islam ensures not only protection of lineage but also of property. The idea that it is attacking Christian concepts, however, seems to me to be quite a stretch.

 

[Verisimilitude]

Shari’ah in Islam is to preserve five things–life, property, intellect, lineage, and religion.

When I read the Quran, hadith and commentaries…those protections are limited and intended for Moslems only. It is very clear that these things are not intended for Moslems to extend to non-Moslems because the language of teh Quran regarding non-Moslems is less than charitable. If I am wrong please provide clear proof…either by a verse or a hadith- not opinion.

 

[mpartyka]

When I read the Quran, hadith and commentaries…those protections are limited and intended for Moslems only. It is very clear that these things are not intended for Moslems to extend to non-Moslems because the language of teh Quran regarding non-Moslems is less than charitable. If I am wrong please provide clear proof…either by a verse or a hadith- not opinion.

Could you take this to PMs? We’re just talking about adoption here.

It is important that a child who is adopted knows who is real parents are. Why? Because they might have had other children who would then be his brothers and sisters. Specifically, he could not marry those girls–it would be incest! But if he did not know who his parents were, nor his parents knew who he was, then how could such a thing be prevented?

The standard concept of adoption only means that you are taken “fully” out of one family and placed “fully” into another. It doesn’t mean that you can’t have knowledge of your birth family, nor does it waive your obligation to abstain from sexual relations with close blood-relatives – assuming you know they are your blood-relatives, and what are the odds of it happening that a person marries his/her sibling by accident? (It has happened, but I would not consider the couple at fault for not realizing their situation. If they stayed married after such a revelation, then blame might be assigned, but it couldn’t be assigned before, when they were in ignorance.)

It is also his right to inherit from his parents. Many times an orphan would be taken care of by someone else, and the orphan had inherited wealth–the caretaker was not supposed to take any of the orphan’s wealth, because it doesn’t belong to him, it belonged to the orphan. So this part of Islam ensures not only protection of lineage but also of property.

In most societies, both pre- and post-Islam, the people from whom you have a right to inherit are those people who are recognized as your parents by society, and when an adoption takes place, that societal recognition is transferred from the birth parents to the adoptive parents. The birth parents no longer have any claim on the child, nor does the child have any claim on the birth parents. That’s why people use the term “given up for adoption” – you give up your ties to the child so that the new family can accept that child as one of their own and hopefully give that child a better life.

–Mike

 

[Verisimilitude]

Could you take this to PMs? We’re just talking about adoption here.

Yes, so was I. Most of the replies are centered on orphans and how Islam says to be kind to them, but not adopt them.

It seems you didn’t care for my post that proved adoption in Islam is nearly non-existant because Mohammed destroyed those normal familial and social ties by marrying his adopted son’s wife and the convienient but subjective words of allah abrogating common sense regarding adoption in Islam to justify it to a people who knew it was wrong but have been silenced for nearly 1500 years because to disobey means damnation. Pretty much a bullseye when talking about the concept of adoption in Islam.

My second post, the question you object too (and answer you will never get from a Moslem) goes further to explain the concept of Islam, adoption and the general attitude Islam fosters with regard to orphans and the poor and non-Muslims.

meedo said:

There is no where in islam where it says that you should treat an adopted child differently than your real child.

That is untrue when you read the verese 33:37-38 which was in my first post.

Sister Amy said:

Specifically, he could not marry those girls–it would be incest!

Most every culture considers a father-in-law marrying his daughter-in-law to be incest particularly when they conspire to cause the divorce that brought them together.

So my question was specific to how the Quran is to be understood when it speaks about when and who charity, help and assistance is to be given since meedo and Sister Amy say it is understood that Islam demands it to be given to any orphan (I assume-so I asked) but it, and they do not say to adopt the orphan. Being kind and giving money is not the same as taking into the family. It struck me that even they do not want to take their own much less a non-Moslem.

Whatever. I don’t expect an answer from either and you don’t want me to participate in your thread. I get the hint, Mike.

 

[mpartyka]

Verisimilitude,

Please do NOT leave!!! I apologize profusely for giving you the impression that I didn’t desire your participation in this thread. That is definitely NOT the case.

It was only because of your last post that I was concerned the thread was in danger of drifting off course. You were responding to Sister Amy’s overarching comment, “Shari’ah in Islam is to preserve five things–life, property, intellect, lineage, and religion,” not to anything specific about adoption (again, in THAT particular post). I merely wanted to avoid broadening the scope of the discussion at hand into covering “how Muslims treat Muslims vs. how they treat non-Muslims”, which is a great topic for discussion in its own right.

I am VERY appreciative of your contributions to this thread, and I again apologize for making you think otherwise. I was only hoping to prevent “thread drift”, not to jettison anybody.

…adoption in Islam is nearly non-existant…It struck me that even they do not want to take their own much less a non-Moslem.

Just out of curiosity, are there any studies or statistics to back this up? I wonder how accurate such a study could be, given that Muslims would be unlikely to adopt under secular laws which favor the normative view of adoption.

Most every culture considers a father-in-law marrying his daughter-in-law to be incest particularly when they conspire to cause the divorce that brought them together.

Indeed, it was rather scandalous even when Woody Allen split with his girlfriend Mia Farrow and married her adopted daughter, Soon-Yi Previn. Woody and Mia were never married, and Soon-Yi was never Woody’s stepdaughter in any legal sense, but there was still quite a hullabaloo over it.

So my question was specific to how the Quran is to be understood when it speaks about when and who charity, help and assistance is to be given…

Exactly, and I think it would make a great thread in its own right, but I thought it was going a little far afield from the original topic. (I’ve just come from another forum where that happens so often it’s almost pointless to ask a narrow question.)

Being kind and giving money is not the same as taking into the family.

Bingo. It makes me wonder what a Muslim hears when a Christian tells him or her, “God will adopt you if you believe in Christ.” How does the Muslim interpret “adopt”? Does he or she say, “So? God provides for me already”? or does he/she realize the fullness of meaning that the Christian is trying to communicate?

Again, please do forgive me and come back to participate. You are very welcome here.

–Mike

 

[Verisimilitude]

Verisimilitude,…very welcome here.

–Mike

Actually I apologize, Mike. I had an underwhelming sense of pettiness that bit me. meedo and Sister Amy never answer me anyway, but thank you for you kind words.

Have a nice weekend.

 

[meedo]

Actually I apologize, Mike. I had an underwhelming sense of pettiness that bit me. meedo and Sister Amy never answer me anyway, but thank you for you kind words.

Have a nice weekend.

Hi,

i think it is not useful for us to answer your opinions. it would be nice if you can form a definetive question so we can aser. we already have showd that Islam accepts adoption without the erasing of heritage . Islam also cares for the adopted child without the need to embroil him into inheritance issues.

I firmly believe that islam’s approach is more humane and smart than to just erase a childs history and deprive him of teh right to know his real parents . There are many children that live with people other than their real parents and they know it but they dont feel discriminated as long as they are shown equal love and compassion. fatherhood and motherhood is not about surnames but about attitude and shwoing fo love. A child would not have to suffer a chock later in his life to know that his parents werent real.

As for the financial side , ai lready explaiend that the adoptive parents can set aside money fopr their adopted son beefore they die . whatever amount they want.

You hjave your opinions about the reason behind this ruling in the quran. ofcourse theya re your opinions. But they are not relevant nor valid nor true from islamic history point of view and thus there si no use fo debating them.

 

[meedo]

Most every culture considers a father-in-law marrying his daughter-in-law to be incest particularly when they conspire to cause the divorce that brought them together.

So my question was specific to how the Quran is to be understood when it speaks about when and who charity, help and assistance is to be given since meedo and Sister Amy say it is understood that Islam demands it to be given to any orphan (I assume-so I asked) but it, and they do not say to adopt the orphan. Being kind and giving money is not the same as taking into the family. It struck me that even they do not want to take their own much less a non-Moslem.

Incest happens between related blood relatives. In the case of Muhammed and zainab it wasnt incest because Muhammed is not related to zaid.

 

[Booklover]

Adoption in Islam

news.faithfreedom.org/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1791

Vickie

 

[meedo]

Could you take this to PMs? We’re just talking about adoption here.

The standard concept of adoption only means that you are taken “fully” out of one family and placed “fully” into another. It doesn’t mean that you can’t have knowledge of your birth family, nor does it waive your obligation to abstain from sexual relations with close blood-relatives – assuming you know they are your blood-relatives, and what are the odds of it happening that a person marries his/her sibling by accident? (It has happened, but I would not consider the couple at fault for not realizing their situation. If they stayed married after such a revelation, then blame might be assigned, but it couldn’t be assigned before, when they were in ignorance.)

In most societies, both pre- and post-Islam, the people from whom you have a right to inherit are those people who are recognized as your parents by society, and when an adoption takes place, that societal recognition is transferred from the birth parents to the adoptive parents. The birth parents no longer have any claim on the child, nor does the child have any claim on the birth parents. That’s why people use the term “given up for adoption” – you give up your ties to the child so that the new family can accept that child as one of their own and hopefully give that child a better life.

–Mike

your statement is contradictory, you say the word ‘‘Fully’’ then later on you maintain that it is stillimportant to keep the ties with the original family .

So what do you do when yopu meet your real mother on he street!!! do you say ‘’ sorry i cant call you mom even though you are my real mom’’ would you not call your sister sister?

moses mom put him in teh nile and he was raised wityh Pharough. did he stop calling him mom mom or his sister sister?? Is he called moses son of Pharough??

I will get back to your 2nd paragraph later on

 

[Verisimilitude]

Hi,

i think it is not useful for us to answer your opinions. it would be nice if you can form a definetive question so we can aser. we already have showd that Islam accepts adoption without the erasing of heritage . Islam also cares for the adopted child without the need to embroil him into inheritance issues.

It isn’t opinion when it is quoted from the Quran. Those verses were not given to provide orphans heritage protections but to allow Mohammed to marry his daughter-in-law. That ruling made the adopted child less than a natural child and that is a fact.

I firmly believe that islam’s approach is more humane and smart than to just erase a childs history and deprive him of teh right to know his real parents . There are many children that live with people other than their real parents and they know it but they dont feel discriminated as long as they are shown equal love and compassion. fatherhood and motherhood is not about surnames but about attitude and shwoing fo love. A child would not have to suffer a chock later in his life to know that his parents werent real.

That is opinion.

As for the financial side , ai lready explaiend that the adoptive parents can set aside money fopr their adopted son beefore they die . whatever amount they want.

Doesn’t that contradict you saying earlier: “There is no where in islam where it says that you should treat an adopted child differently than your real child.”
The obligations a parent has regarding natural born children are very different than those adopted in Islam. By denoting “real child” and adopted child you make the distinction plain. It is not my opinion you treat them different, you say so yourself despite saying you do not.

You hjave your opinions about the reason behind this ruling in the quran. ofcourse theya re your opinions. But they are not relevant nor valid nor true from islamic history point of view and thus there si no use fo debating them.

Islam and truth are like oil and water.

 

[Verisimilitude]

Incest happens between related blood relatives. In the case of Muhammed and zainab it wasnt incest because Muhammed is not related to zaid.

If you had a natural born son between your wife and yourself would you marry his wife for any reason if they divorced? The Koran says you are not permitted to do that but you are if he is adopted. That sounds like treating adopted and real sons differently to me.

The quran talks about taking care of the orphan in all his needs, the word in arabic is called ‘‘Kafala’’ There is no need to change his surname if you can give him love and compassion. children dont love or feel security among their parents because they bear their surnames, their ar emany parents that leave their children and families and flip , happens alot over the world specially in teh western world. The name wouldnt help them in anything. The name didnt prevent the father from flipping and leaving his wife and children . But if they are surrounded by love and commitement they will not miss out on anything. It isnt abot the names , it is about the role you play in teh family.

Even you keep pointing out the difference between the adopted and the natural children. Why is it so difficult to admit the obvious? The role played in the family by the adopted is less than natural born. Islam makes the distinction unlike other religions and social norms. Why not just admit it and move on?

 

[Booklover]

Islam and truth are like oil and water.

How true!

Vickie

 

[IvanKaramozov]

How true!

Vickie

Really?

Well, Islam says there is one God, that Christ was an extraordionary firgure, that mary was a virgin birth, that Abraham was a prophet, and numerous other things, all of which you would say are true, all pointing to just how absurd and hyperbolic your retoric are.