Concerning the Nephilim

[Vladd]

I’ve often wondered if the “Sky People” of Navajo lore were some odd manifestation of the Grigori. Same goes for Prometheus, who brought fire to mankind and taught people how to use it to cook with and heat/light their homes with it, according to Greek myths. There seems to be a lot of stories in a lot of cultures about some heavenly/godlike beings bringing some kind of civilizing skills to humans, which makes me wonder if there might not be some truth behind the stories.

Very interesting

 

[patrick457]

I’ve often wondered if the “Sky People” of Navajo lore were some odd manifestation of the Grigori. Same goes for Prometheus, who brought fire to mankind and taught people how to use it to cook with and heat/light their homes with it, according to Greek myths. There seems to be a lot of stories in a lot of cultures about some heavenly/godlike beings bringing some kind of civilizing skills to humans, which makes me wonder if there might not be some truth behind the stories.

I don’t know. It’s likely, but one could also argue that it’s equally possible that the ‘culture heroes’ (as they are called) of legend are humans who were later considered to be gods or godlike because of their contribution in human culture. (That’s pretty much what went on in many cultures: if a guy is famous and exceptional enough, he gets deified.)

Also you have to remember that 1 Enoch is an apocryphal text.

 

[patrick457]

I’ve often wondered if the “Sky People” of Navajo lore were some odd manifestation of the Grigori. Same goes for Prometheus, who brought fire to mankind and taught people how to use it to cook with and heat/light their homes with it, according to Greek myths. There seems to be a lot of stories in a lot of cultures about some heavenly/godlike beings bringing some kind of civilizing skills to humans, which makes me wonder if there might not be some truth behind the stories.

I don’t know. It’s likely, but one could also argue that it’s equally possible that the ‘culture heroes’ (as they are called) of legend are humans who were later considered to be gods or godlike because of their contribution to human culture. (That’s pretty much what went on in many cultures: if a guy is famous and exceptional enough, he gets deified.)

Also you have to remember that 1 Enoch is an apocryphal text.

 

[Huiou_Theou]

I don’t know. It’s likely, but one could also argue that it’s equally possible that the ‘culture heroes’ (as they are called) of legend are humans who were later considered to be gods or godlike because of their contribution to human culture. (That’s pretty much what went on in many cultures: if a guy is famous and exceptional enough, he gets deified.)

Also you have to remember that 1 Enoch is an apocryphal text.

Yes; The outcome of many leaders being popular are accounts of their “deification”.
A clear example of this is the lore of the Cretans – as mentioned by St. Paul – Where Zeus, in their rendition of the story, was originally a Cretan man…
St. Paul’s rejoinder to this common issue is to point out the impossibility of “endless geneaologies”

1Timo 1:4 Not to give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which furnish questions rather than the edification of God which is in faith.

And again, although the mention of Circumcision here goes to show that Paul’s thoughts must be carefully examined for the core idea, vs. the tangential inclusion – Cretans themselves were NOT of the circumcision; and the prophet mentioned definitely was not.
Still, historically, some Jews would teach even the theology of other religions in apocrypha. This is exactly what Patrick457 was pointing out, and was known even at the time of Paul.

Titus 1:10 For there are also many disobedient, vain talkers and seducers: especially they who are of the circumcision.
Titus 1:11 Who must be reproved, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre’s sake.
Titus 1:12 One of them a prophet of their own, said: The Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, slothful bellies.
Titus 1:13 This testimony is true. Wherefore, rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith:
Titus 1:14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables and commandments of men who turn themselves away from the truth.

The usage of the term “god” or “Gods” with respect to people who are “men” is accepted even at the mouth of the Holy Spirit in scripture. That does not make them deities on par with “THE God”, but it does show that the common usage of language (slang?) was used by God to communicate with men in ways they understood. It simply isn’t true that every man believed rulers, Emporers, and Pharaoh’s as “Gods” in the sense of the creator of the universe; however, the word God does have more than one meaning – Even Moses was called “God” of Aaron, etc. Because Moses was the speaker of God’s words.

Exodu 4:16 He shall speak in thy stead to the people, and shall be thy mouth: but thou shalt be to him in those things that pertain to God.

This is why it can be said:
John 10:34 Jesus answered them: Is it not written in your law: I said, you are gods?

This refers to some of us as well, who are baptized and made “sons of God”; so that Jesus may be the firstborn among many brethren. This is said (also) of all Government, whether secular or religious, which by it’s very nature is ordained for the Good of the world by God (even Russia as a modern example). When these Governments abuse their power, and do not carry out the NATURAL law (even) which every man does know; then they fulfill the conditions of the curse given in the psalm. A good example of acceptable secular Government is Cyrus, King of Persia, whom is called “God’s annointed”;

Psalm 81:1 A psalm for Asaph. God hath stood in the congregation of gods: and being in the midst of them he judgeth gods.
Psalm 81:2 ** How long will you judge unjustly**: and accept the persons of the wicked?
Psalm 81:3 **Judge for the needy and fatherless: do justice to the humble and the poor. **
Psalm 81:4 Rescue the poor; and deliver the needy out of the hand of the sinner.
Psalm 81:5 They have not known nor understood: they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth shall be moved.
Psalm 81:6 I have said: You are gods and all of you the sons of the most High.
Psalm 81:7 But you like men shall die: and shall fall like one of the princes.
Psalm 81:8 Arise, O God, judge thou the earth: **for thou shalt inherit among all the nations. **

I hope this helps, some. Good point, Patrick!