conclave

[billcu1]

Has a date been set for the conclave. I have read the sistine chapel has been shutdown and there has been 3 gregations but I’m not clear if there has been a conclave date set yet. Is the US’s Donald Wuerl and Timothy Dolan at the vatican yet?

 

[grasscutter]

According to my local newscast this morning, no one knows yet.

 

[SonSearcher]

Has a date been set for the conclave. I have read the sistine chapel has been shutdown and there has been 3 gregations but I’m not clear if there has been a conclave date set yet. Is the US’s Donald Wuerl and Timothy Dolan at the vatican yet?

Yes Wuerl and Dolan are there in Rome.

The conclave date has not been set. The chapel has to be closed for a few days to get it ready. I would expect a date set in the next few days from reports on EWTN and CNA.

I am sure you will see a news llink on here pretty soon after the date is officially set so stay tuned and keep praying!

 

[DexUK]

It does take a little while to install the furnace and the chimney in the Sistine Chapel (which means doing work on its roof too). The current consensus (such as it is) suggests the most likely start day for the Conclave won’t be earlier than next Monday.

 

[George_Stegmeir]

The last I heard at 6 PM,12 Cardinals are yet to arrive, It is felt that they will arrive by Wednesday, by which time a date for the Conclave to start will be set.

 

[ProVobis]

I’d be most interested in how they communicate with one another. It is my understanding they’re not allowed to have translators with them inside the conclave.

 

[mburn16]

still waiting for five cardinals as of this afternoon. If they don’t arrive in time for tomorrow morning, we won’t have a date until Thursday. Afternoon congregations on Tuesday and Wednesday have been done away with to permit time for prayer and private discussion.

 

[Tarpeian_Rock]

It does take a little while to install the furnace and the chimney in the Sistine Chapel (which means doing work on its roof too). The current consensus (such as it is) suggests the most likely start day for the Conclave won’t be earlier than next Monday.

To say nothing of the electronic jamming equipment under the false floor being installed in the Sistine.

 

[NickD]

I’d be most interested in how they communicate with one another. It is my understanding they’re not allowed to have translators with them inside the conclave.

I’m sure there are plenty of polyglot Cardinals around…I do wonder about His Eminence Timothy Cardinal Dolan, however :ehh:

 

[George_Stegmeir]

Since most of the Cardinals are older men, and were ordained before V II. almost all of them are fluent in Latin, and Latin is still the official language of the Church.
I grew up in the 1940’s, and distinctly remember visiting foreign priests having conversations with American priests in Latin. Several times in a Jesuit parish in South Florida, and a couple of times in a Franciscan parish on Long Island, NY.
Most lay people today think that Latin was used only in the Liturgy and the Sacrements. No, it was used in communication amongst the clergy.
Never forget, that all official communications between the Vatican and the various Dioceses around the World are in Latin to this very day.

 

[ProVobis]

Since most of the Cardinals are older men, and were ordained before V II. almost all of them are fluent in Latin, and Latin is still the official language of the Church.
I grew up in the 1940’s, and distinctly remember visiting foreign priests having conversations with American priests in Latin. Several times in a Jesuit parish in South Florida, and a couple of times in a Franciscan parish on Long Island, NY.
Most lay people today think that Latin was used only in the Liturgy and the Sacrements. No, it was used in communication amongst the clergy.
Never forget, that all official communications between the Vatican and the various Dioceses around the World are in Latin to this very day.

I’d love to think so. But hearing that it took them a while to figure out that the Pope had just renounced the Papacy, I’m not that confident that they all know Latin. Or good Italian or good Spanish, for that matter.

 

[Denise1957]

I’d love to think so. But hearing that it took them a while to figure out that the Pope had just renounced the Papacy, I’m not that confident that they all know Latin. Or good Italian or good Spanish, for that matter.

Would you happen to know if a working knowledge of Latin is a prerequisite (or unofficial prerequisite) for being chosen for Pope? I’m assuming that all, or most, previous Popes have been been able to write and/or speak in Latin.

I don’t want to take the thread off-topic, but wasn’t sure where else to ask this question.

 

[OraLabora]

Since most of the Cardinals are older men, and were ordained before V II. almost all of them are fluent in Latin, and Latin is still the official language of the Church.
I grew up in the 1940’s, and distinctly remember visiting foreign priests having conversations with American priests in Latin. Several times in a Jesuit parish in South Florida, and a couple of times in a Franciscan parish on Long Island, NY.
Most lay people today think that Latin was used only in the Liturgy and the Sacrements. No, it was used in communication amongst the clergy.
Never forget, that all official communications between the Vatican and the various Dioceses around the World are in Latin to this very day.

But the working language at the Vatican is Italian.

 

[malphono]

But the working language at the Vatican is Italian.

That’s been the case since at least Pius IX. But formal documents and communications are still promulgated in Latin, sometimes with an accompanying translation. On rare occasions, the original of a formal document/communication might be in other than Latin, but in such case, it doesn’t seem that it is ever rendered in Latin.

 

[ProVobis]

Would you happen to know if a working knowledge of Latin is a prerequisite (or unofficial prerequisite) for being chosen for Pope? I’m assuming that all, or most, previous Popes have been been able to write and/or speak in Latin.

It’s hard to determine the amount of Latin fluency of any Pope. The Vatican does employ a Papal Latinist, and Fr. Reginald Foster has been in this position since Paul VI, I believe.

But as far as the conclave goes, the Cardinals are on their own.

 

[billcu1]

I guess they’ve had the 5th general congregation but I don’t know where to go to get an english update. The vatican website’s always in Italian.

 

[malphono]

Try running it through google translate. It won’t be perfect, but it will give a good idea of what it’s about.

 

[Erich]

Since most of the Cardinals are older men, and were ordained before V II. almost all of them are fluent in Latin, and Latin is still the official language of the Church.

Vatican II ended in 1965, or 47 years ago (it started 50 years ago). Since it takes at least 7-9 years (after high school) to become a priest, the earliest someone could be ordained is at age 25. So, anyone who was ordained a priest during the years of Vatican II would be in his mid- to late 70’s by now. As of today, the average age of the 115 cardinal electors planning to enter the conclave is only 71 years, 10 months. Not sure that “most were ordained before V II”

I vaguely recall reading, 8 years ago, that Jospeh Ratzinger was one of only three cardinals of voting age who had been elevated to cardinal by Pope Paul VI (and one of those three did not participate in the 2005 conclave). This time around, all of the cardinals of voting age were appointed by either John Paul II (42%) or Benedict XVI (58%).

 

[billcu1]

Vatican II ended in 1965, or 47 years ago (it started 50 years ago). Since it takes at least 7-9 years (after high school) to become a priest, the earliest someone could be ordained is at age 25. So, anyone who was ordained a priest during the years of Vatican II would be in his mid- to late 70’s by now. As of today, the average age of the 115 cardinal electors planning to enter the conclave is only 71 years, 10 months. Not sure that “most were ordained before V II”

I vaguely recall reading, 8 years ago, that Jospeh Ratzinger was one of only three cardinals of voting age who had been elevated to cardinal by Pope Paul VI (and one of those three did not participate in the 2005 conclave). This time around, all of the cardinals of voting age were appointed by either John Paul II (42%) or Benedict XVI (58%).

We’re supposed to call him pope emeritus now aren’t we? Pope emeritus Benedict XVI ?

 

[Erich]

We’re supposed to call him pope emeritus now aren’t we? Pope emeritus Benedict XVI ?

I referred to him as Joseph Ratzinger when I talked about going in to the 2005 conclave because that’s how he was known at the time (i.e. he wasn’t known as Benedict XVI until after that conclave), and as Benedict XVI when talking about the percentage of current voting-age cardinals that were created while he was Pope (i.e. I did not refer to him as “Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI” because a Pope Emeritus does not create cardinals).

Now, if I were to have talked about something he did as of 2/28/2013, I would have referred to him as Pope Emeritus