Condemning children to suffer

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I’ve watched and listened with growing alarm and sadness for 2 decades as the news grew of children being born so severely damaged by the drug abuse of their parents or the abuse their parents did them where children were becoming predators at young ages. I waited for the professed people of God to wake up and start doing what God would want and that is to prevent children being born into such environments by promoting birth control amongst the people who are unable to care for or raise a child.

Children are born with birth defects or other unavoidable reasons it won’t have the best chance for a full life but not stop try and stop the slaughter of innocence souls before they are born isn’t the merciful God I heard of as a child in Sunday school.

The foster care system alone has over 20,000 children age out every year with no family or support system in place and at best a diploma that their lives were stable enough that they actually got an education and are then supposed to find a successful happy life. The statistics on what happens those children are heartbreaking! Almost of the girls become young mothers unable to support their own children and with what ever parenting skills their families taught them before they were placed and they learned from the various people they were with before they age out and how many of those children are put into the system themselves.

My devout grandmother taught me that the Constitution means she couldn’t force her religious beliefs onto some else.
Abortion as means of birth control is reprehensible but no one should be forced to have a child they don’t believe they aren’t capable of caring for. They seek to deny the rights of others by forcing their beliefs that the right to life means abortion be denied to people who are facing a pregnancy they’re not ready for and thus ensuring yet another unwanted child is born to suffer.

Sadly I recently learned that I had been excommunicated from the faith Mom raised us in without the church ever knowing anything about what forced me to make the decision I did.

I am the daughter of a sick evil man who left 4 adult children so severely damaged that it has taken 5 decades for us to find a fragile peace with our families and all of us terrified we be like him. The true miracle is that we survived with our humanity at all. 3 of us have the severe mental illness that runs in the family. I was 12 when I knew I had inherited that mental illness and I made a promise to God I wouldn’t have any children so I wouldn’t do them what had been done us. Mine wasn’t finally properly diagnosed and treated less than a decade ago.

The torture he inflicted on our gentle loving mother was so severe that she lasted just 6 years before we slowly lost her until she was no longer able to save her children from the vicious drunk she married as her daughter’s mental illness began. That cost her both her children including her beloved son who Thankfully she never realized he loathed her at times as strongly as he loved her. He didn’t spend a lot time with our family either over the years. My relationship Mom was one of love but a lot of pain for both of us all our lives.

I lasted 3 years with that vicious drunk and ended up in the system. In the system I didn’t I didn’t get a single call or letter from my mother or beloved grandmother let alone a card on birthday for several years. I was forced out at 15 when they tried to force back into my mother’s home with that drunk because there wasn’t another place for me. My boyfriend and his mother took me when he threw me out and not back into the system to avoid paying child support again. I had been sexually active for several year without becoming pregnant and thought I was sterile. I was 16 and living with my boyfriend heavily into drugs including hallucinogens and his job gave us the only food we could afford where we lived off wouldn’t be sold the next day, fried chicken, fried potatos and cole slaw was our diet. I was overwhelmed by a powerful wave of fear, terror and hope when I learned I was pregnant that took several days to sort out. The fear the baby would damaged by my drug abuse, the hope that I had of being loved by a baby and the terror of what I might do to it haunted me. I couldn’t get over the fear that I might strike baby out of frustration even or that I would do worse to it as had been done to us. We both knew we weren’t ready or capable and I made the hardest decision of my life and then spent the next 3 decades wondering if my baby had made it to heaven because it hadn’t been born. It was another decade before I got clean but my life was still chaotic and unstable because the mental illness for many year after that.

10 year ago as I pondered God, religion and the world during a crisis a being what I can only call an angel though it bore no wings, halo or bodily form but provided a great sense of calm and peace and it spoke to me at length about God, my doubts and many other things and I asked if my baby had made it heaven and I was told that it had and it was in heaven where it was happy and safe. I didn’t ask if it was a boy or girl it didn’t matter just that my baby was safe in heaven. I’ll always regret never getting to hold my baby in my arms but my decision saved it from a life of chaos and suffering that we had endured and I am at peace with that.
 
I am so sorry that you have suffered so much, and I’m glad that your “angel” came to visit and comfort you.

You say that you have just discovered the ex-communication–which means that you did not know about it before you fearfully felt you had to commit this act. The ex-communication comes into play only if you knew about it beforehand.

The various dioceses have different ways of handling this, but if you go to Confession, the priest will know what to do. You may have to return the following day for absolution or the priest may be able to absolve you the same day. Or maybe something a little different. But any way they do it in your diocese, it will be easily done.

I hope that you will return to the sacraments soon, and allow God to comfort you.

Remember, O most gracious Virgin Mary, that never was it known that anyone who fled to thy protection, implored thy help, or sought thine intercession was left unaided.
Inspired by this confidence, I fly unto thee, O Virgin of virgins, my mother; to thee do I come, before thee I stand, sinful and sorrowful. O Mother of the Word Incarnate, despise not my petitions, but in thy mercy hear and answer me–Amen
 
I’m sorry you have had a difficult life. However, by having an abortion, you may think you were saying a child from a life of misery. However, we are told fetuses, though small, CAN feel pain. We are told that the pain of abortion is EXCRUCIATING!

Now, you may have felt, at the time, that you had no alternatives, but actually, you did. If you had wanted to, it wasn’t absolutely necessary you raise your child in that. There was the option of adoption. My brother, some years ago, wanted desperately to adopt a child. He’s a doctor, and his wife is also a very educated person, both nice people. He was told he’d need to get on a 5-year waiting list! He didn’t want to wait, so he actually adopted two, both with health problems. One had cleft palate and needed surgery, which he took care of. The other had/has even some mental problems, needed medication, etc.

However, even that, my brother tended to.

I heard, don’t know if it’s true or just a rumor, that now, the waiting list is 7 years. In any case, you are assuming your only alternatives were of raising a child in a terrible environment or abortion. I maintain you had a third option, of adopting your child to a loving family.

However, if I were a betting person, I’d wager you felt you had NO choice, no alternative.

As to the constitution and laws. One of our first laws is that we all have, or should have, the right to LIFE! If the situation were reversed, and your mother had wanted to abort you, would you have defended her “right” to abort you?

Yes, as tragic as all this is with poverty, violence, and all the rest, abortion and contraception are NOT the answer on numerous counts.

As to doing something about this problem, the Catholic Church IS doing something about it. We work, daily, on the issues which help lead to it…poverty, and all the rest.

Further, contraception is a failed policy. It has NOT worked!

Look at the evidence and statistics if you don’t believe me. Contraception came out in earnest in the 1960s, and it was hailed as the answer to all our prayers. We were told that never again would woman have “back alley abortions”, that never again would women have unwanted pregancies.

We were told more recently that abortion should be safe, legal, and rare. However, it’s none of those things!

If contraception had delivered, as promised, we also would have seen a DROP in unwanted pregancies. We saw exactly the OPPOSITE! Not only did the unwanted preganancy rate NOT drop, but it SKYROCKETED! Also, promiscuity became the norm!

Now, proponents of contraception will try to say, “Well, that’s because people weren’t using it correctly!” Who had the idea of trying to teach teenagers, and children, contraception? These people, who don’t even have their prefrontal cortexes developed (area of the brain which controls judgement)?

These people, who can’t get it together to drive safetly and responsibly, clean their rooms, or much of anything else. Aristotle once said youth are in a constant state that resembles drunkeness!

So, we keep telling these people to run out and have sex. We have more teen mothers, percentage wise, than we EVER had under the abstinence system! In fact, I predict if you keep on promoting contraception, wherever you teach this, it will not only NOT help but make the problem WORSE!

People tried to say abstinence, and Natural Family Planning, “Don’t work”! This is after millenia of abstinence and such being the ONLY systems that worked! Yet today, it’s not even presented as a serious alternative to consider!

Now, we went from having abortion…only in cases of incest and rape…to first trimester…on demand…second trimester…and now, we have third-trimester abortions! We now have had TRUE cases of babies (like in the movie “October Baby” which have even survived abortion!). We are now trying to decide what to do with babies who survive it!
 
cndtedder said:
I’ve watched and listened with growing alarm and sadness for 2 decades as the news grew of children being born so severely damaged by the drug abuse of their parents or the abuse their parents did them where children were becoming predators at young ages. I waited for the professed people of God to wake up and start doing what God would want and that is to prevent children being born into such environments by promoting birth control amongst the people who are unable to care for or raise a child.

Children are born with birth defects or other unavoidable reasons it won’t have the best chance for a full life but not stop try and stop the slaughter of innocence souls before they are born isn’t the merciful God I heard of as a child in Sunday school.

The foster care system alone has over 20,000 children age out every year with no family or support system in place and at best a diploma that their lives were stable enough that they actually got an education and are then supposed to find a successful happy life. The statistics on what happens those children are heartbreaking! Almost of the girls become young mothers unable to support their own children and with what ever parenting skills their families taught them before they were placed and they learned from the various people they were with before they age out and how many of those children are put into the system themselves.

My devout grandmother taught me that the Constitution means she couldn’t force her religious beliefs onto some else.
Abortion as means of birth control is reprehensible but no one should be forced to have a child they don’t believe they aren’t capable of caring for. They seek to deny the rights of others by forcing their beliefs that the right to life means abortion be denied to people who are facing a pregnancy they’re not ready for and thus ensuring yet another unwanted child is born to suffer.

I am the daughter of a sick evil man who left 4 adult children so severely damaged that it has taken 5 decades for us to find a fragile peace with our families and all of us terrified we be like him. The true miracle is that we survived with our humanity at all. 3 of us have the severe mental illness that runs in the family. I was 12 when I knew I had inherited that mental illness and I made a promise to God I wouldn’t have any children so I wouldn’t do them what had been done us. Mine wasn’t finally properly diagnosed and treated less than a decade ago.

The torture he inflicted on our gentle loving mother was so severe that she lasted just 6 years before we slowly lost her until she was no longer able to save her children from the vicious drunk she married as her daughter’s mental illness began. That cost her both her children including her beloved son who Thankfully she never realized he loathed her at times as strongly as he loved her. He didn’t spend a lot time with our family either over the years. My relationship Mom was one of love but a lot of pain for both of us all our lives.

I lasted 3 years with that vicious drunk and ended up in the system. In the system I didn’t I didn’t get a single call or letter from my mother or beloved grandmother let alone a card on birthday for several years. I was forced out at 15 when they tried to force back into my mother’s home with that drunk because there wasn’t another place for me. My boyfriend and his mother took me when he threw me out and not back into the system to avoid paying child support again. I had been sexually active for several year without becoming pregnant and thought I was sterile. I was 16 and living with my boyfriend heavily into drugs including hallucinogens and his job gave us the only food we could afford where we lived off wouldn’t be sold the next day, fried chicken, fried potatos and cole slaw was our diet. I was overwhelmed by a powerful wave of fear, terror and hope when I learned I was pregnant that took several days to sort out. The fear the baby would damaged by my drug abuse, the hope that I had of being loved by a baby and the terror of what I might do to it haunted me. I couldn’t get over the fear that I might strike baby out of frustration even or that I would do worse to it as had been done to us. We both knew we weren’t ready or capable and I made the hardest decision of my life and then spent the next 3 decades wondering if my baby had made it to heaven because it hadn’t been born. It was another decade before I got clean but my life was still chaotic and unstable because the mental illness for many year after that.

10 year ago as I pondered God, religion and the world during a crisis a being what I can only call an angel though it bore no wings, halo or bodily form but provided a great sense of calm and peace and it spoke to me at length about God, my doubts and many other things and I asked if my baby had made it heaven and I was told that it had and it was in heaven where it was happy and safe. I didn’t ask if it was a boy or girl it didn’t matter just that my baby was safe in heaven. I’ll always regret never getting to hold my baby in my arms but my decision saved it from a life of chaos and suffering that we had endured and I am at peace with that.
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Everything in your post is essentially the reason why i could never be whole-heartedly anti abortion. The world can be such a brutal place, it can rip your heart to pieces, and you’ll be on your own trying to mend it. Sometimes all life has to offer to someone is hurt, rejection and disappointment. I’ve seen it firsthand, I’ve seen how it ended in misery and suicides. Nobody wants life at all cost but the pro-life crowd. It’s easy to be pro-life, you’re not the one who has to face the prospect of 70-80 years of a lifeless life. Glad your baby is safe in Heaven.
 
You have gone through some horrible experiences, get counselling, if you want approach a priest about rejoining the church. Use the suffering you’ve gone through to make the world a little bit better for other abused children, by supporting government and charitable organizations. Using your suffering as an argument for abortion just brings more pain into the world.

Your story is a good reminder to all pro life advocates that it is not enough to oppose abortion, one also needs to promote and help provide strong support systems for unwanted children.
 
Is there anything more obnoxious than contempt thinly veiled in pity? Have you considered the fact that the world is full of people who have birth defects, came from unfortunate childhoods, and/or have some sort of mental illness who live very meaningful lives, are generally happy in spite of their trials, and who are beloved by their family and friends? As a child of a woman with mental disorder, a loving sister of two siblings with mental disorders, and a mother of a child with a birth defect, I thank you to not impose your own despair on other people and encourage their murder in utero. You have no right to judge the value of someone else’s life.
 
I will pray for you and your aborted child.

No sin is greater than God’s forgiveness. You may have been excommunicated but you can always go to a priest and take steps toward coming back to the faith. God will forgive anyone who wishes to repent.

Abortion just brings more pain into the world. Older children are difficult to find homes for, and we do need stronger support systems for them. People (especially Christians, whose faith teaches that all people are children of God) need to step up and take in foster kids. A lot of people have empty rooms after their kids leave for college and they can afford to take in another kid or two, at least temporarily (a lot of kids are in foster care because their parents won’t give up their parental rights). However, there are thousands of married couples on waiting lists to adopt newborn babies, and several thousand waiting to adopt newborn babies with disabilities. We need to encourage women to place their babies for adoption. Adoption isn’t the same as it was a few decades ago. There are open adoption options where birth mothers can visit the homes of their kids or can get newsletter and photo updates. It’s not good-bye forever anymore just because a woman got pregnant under less than ideal circumstances. It is also a more peaceful option because the woman knows she gave her child the best possible chance in life, even though it was hard to give the child to another family. None of the post-abortion pain that so many women go through that many pro-choice people deny. You can also drop your baby off at any hospital, no questions asked.

Birth control is the masking of a symptom (unwed births, births to drug addicts), not a solution. The real problem is that people are not respecting themselves or others, and that they do not have self-control. Birth control often fails and then people are forced to make a very difficult decision: place the child for adoption, raise a child in an unstable home that they cannot afford to raise, or abort. It also allows women to be exploited sexually and objectified. Rape cases can go on covered up for years. Diseases continue to spread due to lack of self-control: condoms have high failure rates and even in best cases do not protect against herpes and HPV. Look at Africa: women are not treated as human beings. Men have the right to sex whenever and with whomever. An African woman was going around a few years ago, she was HIV positive because her husband cheated on her while he was away. And she was talking about how condoms are such a great solution. But the truth is that these men do not want to wear condoms, and even if they do they break a lot of the time. Never mind that the reason she got HIV in the first place was because her husband was unfaithful. I think it’s admirable that she forgave her husband, but under no circumstances is adultery acceptable. God’s forgiveness is greater than any sin but that still doesn’t mean it’s okay to sin.

People need to practice chastity and a lot of these problems will go away. Do not have sex with anyone you’re not married to, and abstain during fertile periods if you need to avoid pregnancy (use NFP to track your cycles, which is also helpful for finding infertility or other problems).

I think we also need to de-stigmatize rehab and counseling. Counseling will prevent a lot of people from feeling that they need to turn to drugs, and rehab will help people get off drugs and get their lives on track. Once they’re back to normal they can go to school, find jobs, get married and then start families. If their parents had the resources to get their lives on track, they wouldn’t need to be in the system. Abuse would be rare and more manageable as far as finding homes for kids whose parents are unable to take care of them.
 
cndtedder said:
I’ve watched and listened with growing alarm and sadness for 2 decades as the news grew of children being born so severely damaged by the drug abuse of their parents or the abuse their parents did them where children were becoming predators at young ages. I waited for the professed people of God to wake up and start doing what God would want and that is to prevent children being born into such environments by promoting birth control amongst the people who are unable to care for or raise a child.
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Oh no, no, no. The professed people of God would never, ever find solutions in killing anyone, especially not those most in need of our protection and love. I have extreme sympathy for yourself, your siblings and every child living with great suffering and pray for a the growth in charity within society to tackle this problem. The inalienable dignity of each and every person must be promoted at all costs without compromise for our charity to be genuinely godly.

Drugs and alcohol are a genuine scourge on society and people involved in them cause enormous suffering to their children, but we cannot kill the children. It would be more palatable to civilised society to kill the drug and alcohol addicted people that create these children… but we could never advocate such a solution either. We don’t have a right to decide on the death of another in any circumstance.
 
cndtedder said:
I waited for the professed people of God to wake up and start doing what God would want and that is to prevent children being born into such environments by promoting birth control amongst the people who are unable to care for or raise a child.
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How sad that this is what you think God would want. God would want us to *help *the parents be good parents. God would want the parents to follow His law and His ways.

“Birth control” is an intrinsic evil. We are all called to chastity outside of marriage. People fail in this due to their own poor choices. We cannot teach what is not true simply because people make poor choices. We must proclaim the truth to all people.
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They seek to deny the rights of others by forcing their beliefs that the right to life means abortion be denied to people who are facing a pregnancy they’re not ready for and thus ensuring yet another unwanted child is born to suffer.
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First, that the law should protect people from violence and murder is not a religious idea, it is the very foundation of what it means to live in a civil society. The law is at the service of man, to protect their rights given by God. The most basic right is life.
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Sadly I recently learned that I had been excommunicated from the faith Mom raised us in without the church ever knowing anything about what forced me to make the decision I did.
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I am sorry that you had parents who made bad choices and treated you and your siblings poorly. I am also very sorry for the loss of your child. At your age, you were not culpable for your actions-- excommunicable offenses do not apply to minors.

Please get professional help and seek out a Rachel’s Vineyard healing retreat or contact the Silent No More ministry.

You can be reconciled with the God and the Church. Go see your local pastor.
 
This does make me wonder why God allows babies to be born drug addicted or with other problems, right out of the gate? I know drug addicted babies are born because their mothers are addicts and the science is there to back this up, but God is God and can do anything, why would be allow a baby to be born like this, when that person has done nothing wrong? Or why certain babies are born into certain situations or conditions…again, I know what the science is and why it happens, but God is God, why can he not alter the situation? After all, it is said he must breathe life into every fetus.

but the fact that alot of babies are born into conditions like this truly make me question and wonder what role God truly does play into the birth of a baby, or even the conception of a fetus. Knowing the facts, would make anyone question if God has ANY role in this at all.
 
It is the God that my Grandmother gave me that I could believe in when she told me that God would never allow his people to own another person or allow them to let others suffer but he can not personally do anything but must hope that his people will do their utmost to prevent or stop the suffering. He sent messengers with his messages but because they are human the messages become garbled or have been affected by the times and beliefs of the people and places his messengers were in. She told me God is merciful and forgives much because people are affected by their lives as well. It is the God she gave me and the simple joy and peace of child’s understanding of the love and joy in heaven with God and Jesus that I still hold in my heart today.
 
Robertanthony said:
Everything in your post is essentially the reason why i could never be whole-heartedly anti abortion. The world can be such a brutal place, it can rip your heart to pieces, and you’ll be on your own trying to mend it. Sometimes all life has to offer to someone is hurt, rejection and disappointment. I’ve seen it firsthand, I’ve seen how it ended in misery and suicides. Nobody wants life at all cost but the pro-life crowd. It’s easy to be pro-life, you’re not the one who has to face the prospect of 70-80 years of a lifeless life. Glad your baby is safe in Heaven.
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That baby could have grown into a phenomenal person on earth who could have rectified many injustices! Ugh that you think that a beautiful baby full of God’s potential could’face the prospect of 70-80 years of a lifeless life." because of his or her parents situation…You obviously don’t ‘get it’!
 
mikekle said:
This does make me wonder why God allows babies to be born drug addicted or with other problems, right out of the gate? I know drug addicted babies are born because their mothers are addicts and the science is there to back this up, but God is God and can do anything, why would be allow a baby to be born like this, when that person has done nothing wrong? Or why certain babies are born into certain situations or conditions…again, I know what the science is and why it happens, but God is God, why can he not alter the situation? After all, it is said he must breathe life into every fetus.

but the fact that alot of babies are born into conditions like this truly make me question and wonder what role God truly does play into the birth of a baby, or even the conception of a fetus. Knowing the facts, would make anyone question if God has ANY role in this at all.
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My daughter was born with a severe congenital heart defect…why would God 'allow her to be born"? DUH! Because she IS…just like God IS. God can alter situations and he does at times, but He wants us to love Him and realize all the good that we should give to Him without forcing us. Now, my daughter’s heart defect is not because I didn’t ‘love God’ enough or any such nonsense. The world is imperfect and my daughter’s heart is part of that imperfect world. I am grateful that there are surgeons who can help her. You can think that my daughter ‘suffers’ with Down syndrome and a congenital heart defect, I guess that’s your ‘right’. If you would like to know what her life is REALLY like, you can PM me or contact me offline at juliette3 at sbc global dot net…
 
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That baby could have grown into a phenomenal person on earth who could have rectified many injustices! Ugh that you think that a beautiful baby full of God’s potential could’face the prospect of 70-80 years of a lifeless life." because of his or her parents situation…You obviously don’t ‘get it’!
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Given the choice, I’d rather not be around. If having an angry, domineering, emotionally frozen, alcoholic, Catholic radical as a father wasn’t bad enough, I had to have learning disability, adhd, major, major issues of self-acceptance, loneliness, social anxiety, depression, fear of about everything you can think of, I have to put up with life, I may be made in God’s image, have God-given whatever, but the thing is my life, not all the time, not always, but it is mostly a burden that God has given me. It’s best to not be if life is spent in affliction, frustration, boredom, and torment. When you don’t have two loving parents, two psychologically healthy parents who welcome your coming into this world, things aren’t promising. Not all is necessarily doomed, but things start off on the wrong foot. 70-80 years is a long time to live a burden of a life. Life is overrated anyhow. If my folks had not met, i wouldn’t be miserable and I wouldn’t know what I might be missing, Heaven, and that’s more than enough for me for it (nothingness)to be a much preferred option.
 
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That baby could have grown into a phenomenal person on earth who could have rectified many injustices! Ugh that you think that a beautiful baby full of God’s potential could’face the prospect of 70-80 years of a lifeless life." because of his or her parents situation…You obviously don’t ‘get it’!
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You’re probably right. I’ve hardened my heart massively, now I’m an angry, washed up man. And God is the frequent recipient of my rage and bitterness. I don’t know how God thought I could overcome all my demons. I had a full, overflowing measure of negativity and curse as part of my life decreed by God. It’s near impossible to trust and love someone you feel strongly is hostile/indifferent to you. Life with only a slim chance of happiness is not worth the risk IMO.
 
I think that life is about learning to love. And if we are unable to accept imperfections, we limit our ability to love. Its hard to say that someone shouldnt exist - i really dont think we are qualified at all to say that. The gift of life is a miracle; we did not create it & i dont think we should destroy it. They say some of the happiest people in the world come from the poorest and most disadvantaged circumstances - how can we say their life has lesser value or meaning? I am grateful when i see the disabled because it teaches me how to love - and i wouldnt not want them here for one second. Yes, abuse is terrible, but anyone can be abused -.whether you had good parents or came from a privledged loving home - you could still end up being abused in your life. Look at David Hicks & the abuse he copped in guantanamo bay - worse than any drunken parent. Yet he is not bitter, he says, & i believe him. I listened to a radio topic today where a scientist said a lot of mental illness is genetically based - & so science can find a cure for that. Winston Churchill was plagued by ‘the black dog’, & yet his life was rather valuable.
I have heard stories of people recount their imperfect lives, including the tragedies, & have heard them say they wouldnt change a thing.
When you decide a child doesnt deserve the life that God designed for him/her, you are destroying hope, as if you have a crystal ball & are all knowing. Dont ever do it again.
 
Here’s an idea, cndtedder, maybe the reason why you feel so strongly about these children not being properly taken care of is because God is calling you to do that. I don’t mean covering up the problems by distributing birth control yourself. I mean doing something productive that addresses the underlying issues. Maybe you are being called to work with drug addicts, abuse victims or the mentally ill. Maybe you’re called to take in a foster child of your own. Pray about it. Try to see the situation in the positive light of what you can do about it, not in the negative light of trying cover it all up quickly and easily with birth control.
 
Allegra said:
Is there anything more obnoxious than contempt thinly veiled in pity? Have you considered the fact that the world is full of people who have birth defects, came from unfortunate childhoods, and/or have some sort of mental illness who live very meaningful lives, are generally happy in spite of their trials, and who are beloved by their family and friends? As a child of a woman with mental disorder, a loving sister of two siblings with mental disorders, and a mother of a child with a birth defect, I thank you to not impose your own despair on other people and encourage their murder in utero. You have no right to judge the value of someone else’s life.
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This.
I find it offensive as someone whose family includes those with mental disabilities who have survived to become wonderful, kind people, that one would be advocating it would be more ‘merciful’ to kill the child.

Killing the child so it wouldn’t ‘suffer’ is nonsense.
 
I would suggest that you approach someone with Down’s syndrome, someone born with a cleft palate, someone born without a limb, someone born with dwarfism, someone born into extreme poverty, someone whose mother did not want to be pregnant, even someone who was born out of an act of sexual assault, and tell them that their lives are somehow less valuable than those of others, that they really have no reason to live, and suggest that suicide would be preferable to the horrible lives you feel they must have to endure.

On second thought, maybe you shouldn’t.
 
Well said. As a survivor of child abuse and the grandmother of an autistic child I prise God for the gift of life for both of us and am grateful that my parents did not have me tortured and murdered before I was born.

Annie
 
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