Condoms should u use them or not?

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Jesusismyhomie:
I think we should use them to prevent diseases. Even married people dont want to give their partner a disease and pregnancy. I dont think you should only have sex to reproduce. I think if you want to have sex just because your in love you should.
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First - Run your fingers to the Catholic Answers bookstore and get one of Jason Everts books on Chastity. Then get Christopher West’s book on Theology of the Body for Dummies. Then go the the web site of the Couple to Couple League and learn about Natural Family Planning.
  1. Condoms don’t prevent desease.
  2. To be Catholic means to be open to life.
  3. God is totally for sex. He invented it. However, it is for a married man and woman and should always be open to life.
God Bless you on your journey of knowledge,

Donna
 
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Pug:
That is, must the sperm transmit the disease if it succeeded in fertilization of the egg? I am guessing not.
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Look to Africa and the epidemic of aids there. Orphans due to aids are very abundant in Africa.

God Bless,
Donna
 
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felra:
Regarding the statement CAFOD’s experience shows that consistent and sustained behaviour change is part of a complex and long-term process and is rarely achieved quickly.…it is called chastity:
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I read the whole statement by CAFOD and I said I agreed with them. No need to go into a whole diatribe regarding Chastity. I am aware of the RCC teaching on this. No one is disputing that abstinence and chastity are the best way to stop the spread of the disease. The statement by CAFOD seems to cover that. Sorry you wasted your time there.
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felra:
…and regarding the Cardinal’s statement:
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“As the Cardinal stated "And this is where the commandment “thou shalt not kill” is valid."
The Cardinal needs a brush up on the Catholic understanding of the morality of human acts and what comprises intrinsic evil:

Why don’t you write to the Cardinal yourself and tell him. I am sure you know more then a Cardinal, right???
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felra:
Time to move on?
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Time to move on…
 
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cove:
I read the whole statement by CAFOD and I said I agreed with them. No need to go into a whole diatribe regarding Chastity. I am aware of the RCC teaching on this. No one is disputing that abstinence and chastity are the best way to stop the spread of the disease. The statement by CAFOD seems to cover that. Sorry you wasted your time there.

Why don’t you write to the Cardinal yourself and tell him. I am sure you know more then a Cardinal, right???

Time to move on…
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The cardinal gave his private opinion, which was unfortunate.
 
Island Oak:
A blessed piece of insight which affirms my conviction that absolutes in morality can become cruel and intolerably immoral when rigidly applied without any allowance for human weakness, ingorance or even simple mistakes.
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With “allowances” like this, no wonder the Church’s efficacy to evangelize and win over new converts is severely crippled. This fails to give a holy witness to the truth of the Gospel.
Such a demeaning message being communicated to these folks in such an unfortunate situation–“You obviously lack the intelligence, internal fortitude, the ability to accept and grow in your God given dignity in Christ”. The Church is supposed to raise the standard for the nations to see and invite peoples to embrace the faith. Misplaced compassion is in fact cruel when the eternal welfare of the person is bypassed or neglected.

Isaiah**, *Chapter 62:10-12 ***“Pass through, pass through the gates, prepare the way for the people; Build up, build up the highway, clear it of stones, raise up a standard over the nations. See, the LORD proclaims to the ends of the earth: Say to daughter Zion, your savior comes! Here is his reward with him, his recompense before him. They shall be called the holy people, the redeemed of the LORD, And you shall be called “Frequented,” a city that is not forsaken.”
 
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cove:
I think these folks got it right–

cafod.org.uk/policy_and_…catholic_et hics

The fact is, they are the ones in the trenches fighting this disease.

I agree with the Cardinal’s private opinion.
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The cardinal’s opinion seems to be at odds with magisterial teaching. Unless the Church gives some indication the cardinal is right, I can’t see how following his thinking would be licit. In Fact, his words may be leading others into confusion and possibly sin.
 
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felra:
With “allowances” like this, no wonder the Church’s efficacy to evangelize and win over new converts is severely crippled. This fails to give a holy witness to the truth of the Gospel.
Such a demeaning message being communicated to these folks in such an unfortunate situation–“You obviously lack the intelligence, internal fortitude, the ability to accept and grow in your God given dignity in Christ”. The Church is supposed to raise the standard for the nations to see and invite peoples to embrace the faith. Misplaced compassion is in fact cruel when the eternal welfare of the person is bypassed or neglected.

Isaiah**, *Chapter 62:10-12 ***“Pass through, pass through the gates, prepare the way for the people; Build up, build up the highway, clear it of stones, raise up a standard over the nations. See, the LORD proclaims to the ends of the earth: Say to daughter Zion, your savior comes! Here is his reward with him, his recompense before him. They shall be called the holy people, the redeemed of the LORD, And you shall be called “Frequented,” a city that is not forsaken.”
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Yes, very lawyer-like of her, eh? She is for moral absolutes, as long as they are easy to follow. Go figure…
 
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Yes, very lawyer-like of her, eh? She is for moral absolutes, as long as they are easy to follow. Go figure…
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Hope neither of you rightous souls slip a disc patting yourselves on the back for your flawless obedience to every aspect of Catholic teaching. Must be something to be so self-assured. I guess I can only hope to get there someday–with or w/o my anti-psych meds.
 
Island Oak:
Hope neither of you rightous souls slip a disc patting yourselves on the back for your flawless obedience to every aspect of Catholic teaching. Must be something to be so self-assured. I guess I can only hope to get there someday–with or w/o my anti-psych meds.
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No one is claiming moral superiority. I am a sinner like everyone else. I just can’t see how any of us has the authority to grant a dispensation from a moral absolute.

It is not about holding anyone to an impossible standard. It is about God’s grace and accepting His will in all things.

I will now get back into my restraints.
 
Island Oak:
Hope neither of you rightous souls slip a disc patting yourselves on the back for your flawless obedience to every aspect of Catholic teaching. Must be something to be so self-assured. I guess I can only hope to get there someday–with or w/o my anti-psych meds.
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You seem to accuse people of self righteousness a lot. Telling everyone that they are not as humble as you is not true humility, sorry.
 
I am surprised so many people felt the need to answer such a stupid question.:hmmm:

I won’t answer the question- the person who posted the question is just looking to cause an argument.
 
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m134e5:
I am surprised so many people felt the need to answer such a stupid question.:hmmm:
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How is it stupid to ask this question or answer it when there are so many Catholics out there that don’t know or don’t practice this teaching? I would say that it is more relevant than you let on. And if you don’t believe me, I had a guy at school tell me he was a “devout Catholic.” He then proceeded to tell me that he was going to have sex with his girlfriend that weekend. Well, with the help of another intelligent Catholic student, we managed to convince him that it was in fact wrong, and the next Monday, he came to school and said he had managed to abstain. A difference can be made, and there are still plenty of people out there who could use a lesson on this.

Eamon
 
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mommy:
I can tell you that nothing is better than having one partner, in marriage, you never have to worry about unwanted diseases,
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Unfortuantely, this is not always true. You don’t always know that your partner is being faithful. I think it depends on where you are living too. The medical standards in some countries are so poor that people can still get aids from blood transfusions and possibly other medical procedures. I had a friend who contracted HIV from a blood transfusion in Israel, and Israel has a much better health system than most countries.

I don’t think this is always a black and white issue. I use to. But I have done quite a bit of work with Africans. The rampart spread of aids has reached epidemic proportions. And so many women who remained mongamous while their husbands did not. I’m sure vice versa must happen too, but I dealt mostly with pregnant women, who were married. They married as virgins and still ended up with HIV or Aids, so my perspective is biased. Not all were Catholic but many were. And NFP requires the consent and respect of both partners. Many women don’t have that there. It is difficult to perceive of an extra child as a blessing when you have aids or carry HIV and live on less than $2 a day.
 
I do think condoms should be used in the case of disease…especially HIV.
 
Hello,

What else do you think. I want to know so I can go on what you feel or think. Mabey I can base all my life on what you think.Mabey on Martin Luther or John Calvin or Billy Graham or any one to justify how I FEEL at the time.Just remember there are absolute truths that our Lord gave us through his church. And we should obey them. It’s not what I think or you think it is about what God thinks. If you could hold your hands out in front of you and the left was the begining of the world and the right was the end of the world this is what I think God see’s all at one time. (No you should not use them.)If you ask around enough you will find people who agree with you. Then what…? Do what you feel? Please look at the truth God gave us.

Pray for me as I will pray for thee.
 
When you use condoms, you are having sex for the feel of it. If you don’t want to have babies yet, you need to know when your wife can become pregnent and when you do that you fall in love even more because of this. Those Religous Ed class sure pay off in a question like this.
 
There are two grounds given for condoms: contraception and AIDS prevention:

#1 Artificial contraception is banned. Some superextraordinary exceptions might apply, not like I’ve ever heard of any, everything else is heterodoxy.

#2 Condoms don’t block AIDS with anything close to 100% certainty, which means that if you have AIDS and decide to have sex with someone, you break the 5th even if you use a condom. Plus, what sort of a person would endanger his or her spouse like that?

Ergo: No place for condoms in Catholicism. Unless you run out of baloons for your party. 😛
 
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Jesusismyhomie:
Yes that is true but what if the person you marry already has a disease? What do u do then?
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You love her enough to protect her 100% of the time. That means a) don’t marry or b) marry and abstain. Using a condom is like admitting you only love your partner enough to protect her some of the time. Is that love or selfishly wanting your own pleasure at someone else’s risk? —KCT
 
I believe that condums have a great use. In military training, we were taought that keeping a condum over the barrel of your rifle is a good way of keeping the rigfle clean. Also - in survival class - condums (unlubricated) are good tools in gathering water. This is aboput the only reasons I can see a Catholic justifying the use of a condum.

On a more serius note - If you have AIDS/HIV or any other life altering STD - having sex with your partner - or whoever - should be the LAST thing on your agenda, especially if you claim to love and cherish your partner (hopefully spouse). Only abstinance is 100% guarunteed method of preventing STD’s.

The church has condemned the use of contreception. If you have an STD - don’t have sex.
 
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