Condoms to prevent HIV infection during rape

[Seatuck]

The question IS about use of contraceptives and HIV, why would we NOT talk about those things? Contraceptives are designed to prevent sperm meeting egg, why would we NOT talk about those things?

We all, I am sure, have utmost compassion for rape victims. Saying that compassion for a rape victim should extend to allowing her to contracept is as pointless as saying that compassion for someone who is suffering a terminal illness should extend to allowing them to kill themselves or have others euthanase them. Compassion is not an excuse for sin, contraception is a grave sin.

As for the difference between conjugal sex and rape - the difference is obvious. Rape is a deadly sin, conjugal sex is blessed by God. In that both rape and conjugal sex can create life, they have an attribute in common. And that attribute in itself is a good, is a right, is a blessing, that should never be denied.

Withdrawal? What utter nonsense you are talking, Seatuck. As if any rape victim has enough control over the situation either to induce the rapist to withdraw or to prevent them from withdrawing!

Where did I mention withdrawal anywhere?

 

[LilyM]

Where did I mention withdrawal anywhere?

My apologies, it was fix.

 

[Ailina]

I’m very clear and agree with the Catholic Church’s position on contraception including the Pope’s recent condemnation of the use of condoms in Africa as a means of preventing HIV infection. However, I was wondering about the Church’s position on the use of condoms during a specific situation when a rape was about to occur and the woman, although powerless to prevent the rape, pleads with the assailent (who she strongly suspects or knows is carrying the HIV virus) to use a condom and he agrees to do so. Since rape is truly an act of violence and not necessarily about the sex, in an objective sense, would the use of a condom in this situation be considered licit (ex., defending oneself from harm) by the Church’s own standards of moral theology? I’d appreciate some feedback. Thanks.

Right…like a rapist is going to pause to consider putting on a condom because he is being considerate of his victim’s request. Somehow, this seems like an incredibly unlikely scenario. Not to mention, since rape is violent, the condom would very likely break anyways. Such a weird question.

 

[centurionguard]

Right…

.like a rapist is going to pause to consider putting on a condom because he is being considerate of his victim’s request

I agree totally with your rational.

.like a rapist is going to pause to consider putting on a condom because he is being considerate of his victim’s request

Why is it that people seem to be exhaustively convinced that condoms are the ultimate safeguard that will avert (“any”) sexually transmitted disease (“HIV, Chlamydia, Gonorrhea, Genital herpes, or Venereal”) whether contracted through rape, promiscuous sexual relations, or even trying to avert pregnancy.
People are gullible and brainwashed to believe in such safeguards. The use of condoms is like playing Russian Roulette. Nobody comes out a winner all the time.
Huge global pharmaceutical companies are laughing all the way to the bank bilking multi-billions from people who idolize the almighty condom as a security blanket that only promotes promiscuity everywhere.

 

[Newbie2]

This thread is beginning to reach the outermost proportions of argumentative stupidity.

LOL. Yes, 'tis.

 

[centurionguard]

LOL. Yes, 'tis.

Hey what a coincident at least you took time to notice. LOL.

 

[Ghoti]

Right…like a rapist is going to pause to consider putting on a condom because he is being considerate of his victim’s request. Somehow, this seems like an incredibly unlikely scenario. Not to mention, since rape is violent, the condom would very likely break anyways. Such a weird question.

Thing is, it has happened and is happening. I have read in a newspaper article a while ago about a woman who, about to be raped, begged her attacker to use a condom (she didn’t want to get any disease). He obliged – he later used that as a positive defense, that by her asking him to use the condom meant that the sex was now consensual. (The jury didn’t buy it, by the way.) And the link provided above indicates that rapists are now using condoms – maybe they’re watching CSI? And as to the whole thing about rapists pausing to put on a condom, or acquiescing to a request for same, whether that “makes any sense” – well, rape doesn’t make any sense, and as far as I am concerned, any man who commits rape ain’t firing on all cylinders: he who is capable of rape is capable of anything, sensible or not.

I have read stories of rape, written by journalists and police officers, based on investigations and confessions: you’ll find that anything goes in the whacked-out mind of a rapist. And once you read the weird and bizarre details that go on with sex offenders and their actions, you’ll realize that the premise of this thread is really not that far out there.

 

[BiologyBrain]

I have read stories of rape, written by journalists and police officers, based on investigations and confessions: you’ll find that anything goes in the whacked-out mind of a rapist. And once you read the weird and bizarre details that go on with sex offenders and their actions, you’ll realize that the premise of this thread is really not that far out there.

I certainly agree that rapists have bizarre whacked-out minds in the most part. However, I disagree that the premise of this question is actually legitimate. Most rapists don’t use condoms period. Since most don’t intend to use one, they aren’t going to be carrying one around on them. Therefore, most rape victims, even if they had a compliant rapist, aren’t going to be able to ask the rapist to put a condom on b/c he’s not going to have one. I would say it is truly a **rarity **for a rapist to be considerate of the victim (ie putting on a condom at the victim’s request) and if/when that happens it would definitely be newsworthy. Again, statistics bear out that most rapists don’t wear condoms PERIOD.

Statistics also bear out that condoms **do not certifiably prevent **HIV/STD transmission. Actually, they have a **much higher failure rate of protection from disease **than they do for pregnancy. Its really not a logical question to ask.

 

[jennifers]

more on condom

 

[BiologyBrain]

more on condoms:

AIDS victims in 1987: Philippines 135 / Thailand 112

In 1991 the WHO predicted the Philippines would have 80,000 to 90,000 cases and Thailand 60,000 to 80,000 AIDS victims.

Thailand promoted the use of condoms in massive campaigns where Catholic Philippines promoted ‘Abstinence’ and ‘Be faithful’.

The prognosis of the WHO was wrong for both countries:1999: Philippines 1,005 / Thailand 755,000 AIDS victims Source: British Medical Journal, volume 328, April 10th 2004

“Increased condom use will increase the number of [HIV/AIDS] transmissions that result from condom failure” and “a vigorous condom promotion policy could increase rather than decrease unprotected sexual exposure if it has the unintended effect of encouraging a greater overall level of sexual activity.” “Condoms and seat belts: the parallels and the lessons” The Lancet, 29 Jan 2000

In one test, 33% of latex condoms leaked HIV sized particles. Sexually Transmitted Diseases. vol.19. 1992

Ontario Ministry of Health campaign to promote condoms by means of televised AIDS messages made respondents more inclined to use condoms but less inclined to avoid casual sexual partners. Wilde, Target Risk, PDE Publications, 1994.

IPPF indicates that the risk of contracting AIDS during so-called “protected sex” approaches 100 percent as the number of episodes of sexual intercourse increases. Cates Medical Bulletin, IPPF 1997.

The only sure ways to avoid sexual transmission of diseases (including AIDS, chlamydia, genital herpes, genital warts, gonorrhoea, hepatitis B, and syphilis) are not to have sex at all or to limit sex to one uninfected partner who is also monogamous. Food and Drug Administrationc (USA) Consumer Magazine Sep 1990.

abstinence.net/pdf/contentmgmt/IREevidencepaperAnotherLook3609.pdf

americanpregnancy.org/preventingpregnancy/abstinence.html

12 February, 2009, The Medical Institute Responds to the Virginity Pledge Report, www.medinstitute.org

Sexually active females are 5 times more likely to be victimized by dating violence than girls who are not sexually active. (www.webmd.com, 8/2/04; Pediatrics, 8/04)

Young women who have abortions experience elevated rates of suicidal behaviors, depression, substance abuse, anxiety and other mental health problems. (“The Duty to Screen: Clinical, Legal and Ethical Implications of Predictive Risk Factors of Post-Abortion Maladjustment.” The Journal of Contemporary Health and Law and Policy, 2003 Winter; 20(1): 33-114)

righto.com/theories/condoms1.html