Condoning Immorality

[michelleds]

I believe that satan is accomplishing great damage through this modern path of relativity. In my short time here on CAF, I’ve seen posts attempting to justify porn, lap dancing, masturbation, homosexuality, and other such things. it seems that many Christians have taken that 60’s church saying of “hate the sin, love the sinner” and allowed it to slowly but surely expand into “accept the sin”.

We must fight discrimination and hatred, we must not perpetrate violence, we must not commit evil to fight evil . . . but this does not mean that we should begin questioning the teachings of God and Church. Shouldn’t 2000 years of thought and teaching mean more than one individual’s “I think” or “I feel”? I am continually amazed at how arrogant we can all be when we have come to a conclusion contrary to Church teaching and then espouse and advocate it! What self-idolatry.

The devil is prowling like a roaring lion, looking for someone to devour (1 Pt 5:8).

We need to stop **condoning **immorality. Period. in our own lives and in the lives of others. That can lead to hard spots and difficult decisions, but it’s not really the same as being torn asunder, flayed alive, roasted alive, or crucified, is it?

How do others define the differences between condoning/not condoning/discrimination? Not for media or personalities or politicians, but you in your individual life?

 

[Mark_David]

I believe that satan is accomplishing great damage through this modern path of relativity. In my short time here on CAF, I’ve seen posts attempting to justify porn, lap dancing, masturbation, homosexuality, and other such things. it seems that many Christians have taken that 60’s church saying of “hate the sin, love the sinner” and allowed it to slowly but surely expand into “accept the sin”.

In a nutshell… pretty much, yes.

Shouldn’t 2000 years of thought and teaching mean more than one individual’s “I think” or “I feel”?

I believe that a lot of people don’t tend to think in terms of such long stretches of history - only in the here and now. As someone once said, “If you don’t know your past, then you don’t know your future.” Shortsightedness, which is based on selfishness, causes a lot of problems in this world.

The devil is prowling like a roaring lion, looking for someone to devour (1 Pt 5:8). We need to stop **condoning **immorality. Period. in our own lives and in the lives of others.

Yes we do. Unfortunately, that takes a lot of work and spiritual strength. In the end, we can only do so much - the rest is up to God. We must never forget to trust Him, and not try to correct everything ourselves.

 

[Warrior1979]

but this does not mean that we should begin questioning the teachings of God and Church.

There is nothing wrong with questioning, when done with the intent of furthering one’s understanding.

 

[JackVk]

There is nothing wrong with questioning, when done with the intent of furthering one’s understanding.

That’s not what she means. She is talking about unremorsefully defying the Church’s teachings.

 

[Warrior1979]

That’s not what she means. She is talking about unremorsefully defying the Church’s teachings.

Many people equate the inquisitive questioning to mean “unremorsefully defying the Church’s teaching.”

 

[Mark_David]

Many people equate the inquisitive questioning to mean “unremorsefully defying the Church’s teaching.”

This is true. If we never questioned anything, we’d never have a strong desire to learn anything, would we? Questions seek answers. However, a lot of folks simply defy Church teaching - in other words, they’ve already made up their minds that the Church is wrong. This is the point being made here, I believe.

 

[revert_jen]

Many people equate the inquisitive questioning to mean “unremorsefully defying the Church’s teaching.”

The difference being, really, that if you question inquisitively while defying the teachings, you aren’t questioning, you’re answering. If you question while obeying them, that is just normal and healthy. Generally the nature of the questions is different as well–“Is this wrong?” vs. “Why is this wrong?” IMHO.

–Jen

 

[edwest2]

Learning means learning. Clarifying is not the same as challenging. Immorality is a settled topic but because some do not live in the here and now, they know how it reached this point. Pick up a copy of Render unto Caesar by Archbishop Charles J. Shaput. I believe you will see the context in which we live more clearly, along with what the Church teaches.

Peace,
Ed

 

[michelleds]

Yes, my bad choice of wording. I did not mean “questioning” in an attempt to better understand or for a fullness of knowledge. I should have said outright denial or rejection of Church teaching. I read posts where it at first appears that the person is questioning for a better understanding but as the thread progresses, it becomes clear that the person isn’t interested in a better understanding of Church teaching in order to live it.

I agree with the poster above who differentiated between living in compliance vs living outside of the teachings.