Conduct of Homosexual Priests?

[Chalice]

Several priests in my diocese act in a manner that has long been stereotyped as “homosexual” and/or “effeminate” by the media. More specifically some act in a manner similar to the character “Jack” on the television show Will & Grace.

I recently went (I was obligued to) to a lecture series given over 3 evenings at my parish from a visiting priest. A “consultor” to our bishop. The lectures were closer to Broadway skits, complete with the faked feminine voice, the affected lisping and the often time off-color jokes. If this priest isn’t homosexual, he was doing his best to irratate and/or offend others, and to appear “cute.”

Unfortunately he’s not the only priest that acts this way in the diocese. Certainly all priests do not act this way locally. But the way they act is horribly difficult to watch and the effect it has on their audience is tangible. More than a few people quietly left the lectures.

Unfortunately it’s now taking a toll on the Mass:

sffaith.com/ed/roamin/2004roamin/0404roam.htm

Is this problem unique to my diocese? Thanks.

 

[Church_Militant]

Y’know what gets me about your post? :ehh:

You talk about priests in your diocese that act (according to your standards) as if they might be gay…yet you don’t mention the holy priests that you might have encountered…or acknowlege any of the priests in your diocese (Do you really know all of them? Or even most of them?) who are busy doing the work of God…

Moreover, I don’t hear you saying that we need to pray diligently for our priests the way we were traditionally taught to…or to pray for vocations to the priesthood and other religious lives.

Finally just what exactly does your post have to do with the article that you link by this Jim Holman? I don’t see a relevence at all.

I certainly don’t know all the priests in my diocese, but the ones that I do know are some of the finest men of God that I have ever met and I thank God for them every day and spend part of my Eucharistic time interceding for them and begging God to send us more like them.

I’m sorry for you if you had to sit through some foolishness…and if you were “obliged” to and it was this bad…why didn’t you have the fortitude to walk out? (They can’t kill ya or eat ya either one so far as I know?) :irish1:

I just don’t get it…and this is my response.
Pax vobiscum,

 

[Edwin1961]

So there were some ‘bad jokes’ and ‘bad timing’ but I did not see anything in your link that even suggested homosexuality.

If you have ‘any proof’ then that’s a different matter entirely. Assuming is like ‘baring false witness’ against anyone. I am in NO way protecting any priest that ‘could’ be homosexual, just don’t lump ALL priests in this mold. (Apparently the media does it and we shall not fall in this trap).

Simple pray for all priests REGARDLESS what personality they may have. My twin brother is a priest and I am sure he’d agree with me on this statement.

 

[Michael_s_Sword]

Chalice:

Several priests in my diocese act in a manner that has long been stereotyped as “homosexual” and/or “effeminate” by the media.

What you write is all too true. Even the upstanding priests are too often not what someone thinks when the word “manly” is used.

I’m going off on a tangent a bit but at one time priests taught boys sports, including boxing! While I am sure that there have always been priest who appeared to be soft it seems that today the vast majority of them are this way.

This is not to say they are homosexual or that they are not fine upstanding men but when my sons look at many priests I worry about the subconscious image they are forming.

A priest who skis and hikes like JPII did gives an impression of manliness and holiness in one package. Unfortunately that is far from common and I think it hurts vocations.

 

[carol_marie]

I only see my Priests as Priests… I don’t see them as heterosexual or homosexual. They seem like very Godly men… and I love them.

 

[Chalice]

Church Militant:

Y’know what gets me about your post? :ehh:

You talk about priests in your diocese that act (according to your standards) as if they might be gay…yet you don’t mention the holy priests that you might have encountered…or acknowlege any of the priests in your diocese (Do you really know all of them? Or even most of them?) who are busy doing the work of God…

Moreover, I don’t hear you saying that we need to pray diligently for our priests the way we were traditionally taught to…or to pray for vocations to the priesthood and other religious lives.

Finally just what exactly does your post have to do with the article that you link by this Jim Holman? I don’t see a relevence at all.

I certainly don’t know all the priests in my diocese, but the ones that I do know are some of the finest men of God that I have ever met and I thank God for them every day and spend part of my Eucharistic time interceding for them and begging God to send us more like them.

I’m sorry for you if you had to sit through some foolishness…and if you were “obliged” to and it was this bad…why didn’t you have the fortitude to walk out? (They can’t kill ya or eat ya either one so far as I know?) :irish1:

I just don’t get it…and this is my response.
Pax vobiscum,

Take a moment to read your angry retort. It is you I feel sorry for.

 

[Chalice]

Edwin1961:

So there were some ‘bad jokes’ and ‘bad timing’ but I did not see anything in your link that even suggested homosexuality.

If you have ‘any proof’ then that’s a different matter entirely. Assuming is like ‘baring false witness’ against anyone. I am in NO way protecting any priest that ‘could’ be homosexual,** just don’t lump ALL priests in this mold.** (Apparently the media does it and we shall not fall in this trap).

Simple pray for all priests REGARDLESS what personality they may have. My twin brother is a priest and I am sure he’d agree with me on this statement.

Read my posting again before making such a foolish statement.

 

[puzzleannie]

Chalice:

Several priests in my diocese act in a manner that has long been stereotyped as “homosexual” and/or “effeminate” by the media. More specifically some act in a manner similar to the character “Jack” on the television show Will & Grace.
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your post is mis-titled. it should read: conduct of priests whose personality and mannerisms are offensive to me personally

 

[Chalice]

Michael's Sword:

What you write is all too true. Even the upstanding priests are too often not what someone thinks when the word “manly” is used.

I’m going off on a tangent a bit but at one time priests taught boys sports, including boxing! While I am sure that there have always been priest who appeared to be soft it seems that today the vast majority of them are this way.

This is not to say they are homosexual or that they are not fine upstanding men but when my sons look at many priests I worry about the subconscious image they are forming.

A priest who skis and hikes like JPII did gives an impression of manliness and holiness in one package. Unfortunately that is far from common and I think it hurts vocations.

I dunno, something is different with several of them. They act in a manner stereotyped by the media as extremely effeminate and homosexual. It certainly isn’t my imagination (or stereotyping.)

In brief, it’s like the metaphorical “elephant in the room” that no one wants to acknowlege, and these priests count on this in order to act the way they do. Almost like “neener, neener, neener, I can do anything I want, including acting in a truly repulsive manner because my bishop won’t do a darned thing.”

Sadly, the two comments I read before your’s do nothing but enable such behavior. The first was angry, the second simply ignorant.

These priests would never be confused for Pope BVXI Pope JPII, or a great many others that I have known in my life.

I do hope our new pope will make such behavior unacceptable…

 

[Chalice]

carol marie:

I only see my Priests as Priests… I don’t see them as heterosexual or homosexual. They seem like very Godly men… and I love them.

In all sincerity, what was the reason for your comment? It really added nothing to the dialogue. I would like to communicate with others (if they exist) who see the same things I am seeing…

 

[Chalice]

puzzleannie:

your post is mis-titled. it should read: conduct of priests whose personality and mannerisms are offensive to me personally

Me and a great many others.

Your post would be more accurately labeled “non value added.”

 

[contemplative]

Don’t judge a book by its cover.
Hello OP,
I must agree with the rest in this thread thus far.

 

[Chalice]

I would be very happy and thankful to hear that no one is experiencing priests who act in a very effeminate and homosexual manner as stereotyped by the media.

Unfortunately the majority of the retorts suggests they too have seen the elephant, and it appears they might just be a bit angrey at themselves for looking the other way.

 

[contemplative]

Chalice:

I would be very happy and thankful to hear that no one is experiencing priests who act in a very effeminate and homosexual manner as stereotyped by the media.

Unfortunately the majority of the retorts suggests they too have seen the elephant, and it appears they might just be a bit angrey at themselves for looking the other way.

Effeminancy can be and should be identified as a problem for correction. It isn’t up to laypeople to do the correcting. Effeminancy is a problem that should be corrected in the seminary. Hopefully the seminary reviews be conducted right now will identify this discrepancy.

Effeminate and feminine are two different things.
It isn’t good when women are effeminate. Women should be femine.

 

[carol_marie]

Chalice:

In all sincerity, what was the reason for your comment? It really added nothing to the dialogue. I would like to communicate with others (if they exist) who see the same things I am seeing…

May I suggest an anti-Catholic website?

 

[Chalice]

contemplative:

Effeminancy can be and should be identified as a problem for correction. It isn’t up to laypeople to do the correcting. Effeminancy is a problem that should be corrected in the seminary. Hopefully the seminary reviews be conducted right now will identify this discrepancy.

Effeminate and feminine are two different things.
It isn’t good when women are effeminate. Women should be femine.

Why do some men act in an effeminate manner? What is the cause of this?

I certainly agree it’s not up to the layperson (unless professionally qualified and requested) to “do the correcting”, but it is time to acknowledge the elephant in the room.

 

[Chalice]

carol marie:

May I suggest an anti-Catholic website?

Nope, you may not.

You may not notice this situation where you live. If that’s the case, that’s truly wonderful, thanks be to God.

I won’t ignore the elephant around here any longer though.

Denial and the enabling needs to stop.

 

[contemplative]

Chalice:

Why do some men act in an effeminate manner? What is the cause of this?

Effeminancy is a problem for both men and women of all sexual orientations.

Your OP sounds more like an attack on the priesthood rather than effeminancy in general.

Why don’t you mention in your OP all the women who go to church on Sunday looking and acting not only extremely effeminate but immodest to boot?

Believe me. I have been where you are now. Just stop for a moment and reread what others have tried to say to you in this thread. Just please do this rather than ruffle feathers.

 

[carol_marie]

Chalice:

Nope, you may not.

You may not notice this situation where you live. If that’s the case, that’s truly wonderful, thanks be to God.

I won’t ignore the elephant around here any longer though.

Denial and the enabling needs to stop.

Why do you care what someone’s mannerisms are? I think you need to stop watching Will & Grace because it’s obviously making it difficult for you to seperate how someone appears vs. someone who is actually participating in a very sinful lifestyle. So a few of the Priests seem more “effeminate” - big deal? The title of your thread is “Conduct of Homosexual Priests” - do you know for a fact that they are engaging in Homosexual activity? Or is it stictly their mannerisms that bug you? Do you likewise have a problem with women who act more masculine… say those who excel in sports? Do you assume they are lesbians?

 

[Church_Militant]

Chalice:

Take a moment to read your angry retort. It is you

I feel sorry for.Whose angry? I’m just asking why you chose to disparage priests and post a link to an irrelevent article and imply that all the priests that you know are gays.

I just don’t get it and you can attempt to pass it all off as you feeling sorry for me, but I doubt that many people will be much more impressed than I am.

Your post is pretty much a load of innuendo and nonsense. Don’t project on me some anger that you display in your post.

I don’t get it…show me I’m wrong here, but just based on your post all we know is that you had a bad experience that you didn’t walk out on and that you seem to expect us all to cry out “Yeah! Right on!” to something that you make no decent case for.

All the priests I know are not gay.

All the priests I know are holy men and exemplary Christians.

If I had been in such a meeting and it was as offensive as you allege, I’d’ve left. Catholics are “obliged” to do many things but remaining in something like this is (to my knowlege) not one of them, so since it’s no sin…I’d’ve walked.

If I’ve missed something in the connection between the article in your link and some deterioration in the Mass (which I also have not seen where I am.) then explain it to me, but don’t accuse me of being angry…I’m not.

Your post just doesn’t make sense…What elephants? Again, this is your aspersion that may or may not be anything more than your imagination. Do you have evidence or experiences to support this supposed elephant that you see? Are you qualified to make these judgements of another man’s servant as if they are facts?

If all this is is your opinion (which you’re certainly entitled to!), then say so, but don’t try to tell me that there is something wrong with our priests that I have not seen around me.

You know full well that you are implying something more than your diocese and yet at least 2 of us have pointed out that that is not the case where we are. Nor is there evidence to support what you imply… Proof, or perhaps silence?
Pax tecum,