Conference given to FSSP on Second Vatican Council

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On July 2, Msgr. Guido Pozzo, Secretary of the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei, gave a conference at the seminary of the Fraternity of Saint Peter in Wigratzbad entitled “Aspects of Catholic ecclesiology in the reception [assimilation] of Vatican II”. In it he declared that “when the Holy Father speaks in his address to the Roman Curia on December 22, 2005] about two different interpretations or hermeneutics, one of discontinuity or rupture with Catholic Tradition, and the other of renewal in continuity, this means that the crucial question about the source, or the truly decisive point in the crisis of disorientation and confusion which has characterized our time even to this day, does not come from the Second Vatican Council per se, and the problem is not the objective teaching contained in its documents, but rather the interpretation of that teaching”

Msgr. Pozzo’s analysis of the influence of the para-council

Msgr. Pozzo intends to prove that, concerning two controversial points (the first being the unity and uniqueness of the Catholic Church, along with the question of the expression subsistit in from Lumen Gentium 8, and the other—the relations between the Catholic Church and other religions, including ecumenical and interreligious dialogue) “the authentic proclamation of the Church, with regard to its absolute claim, has not been modified substantially with the teaching of Vatican II.”

Hence one can only wonder why the conciliar documents, which in Msgr. Pozzo’s view are so clearly in conformity with Tradition, have given rise to a contrary interpretation on this point. The Roman prelate asks the question and answers: “What is the origin of the interpretation of discontinuity or of rupture with Tradition? It is what we may call the conciliar, or more precisely, para-conciliar ideology which took hold of the Council from the beginning and superimposed itself on the proceedings. By this expression we do not mean something concerning the documents of the Council, nor the intention of the participants, but rather the general framework of interpretation in which the Council was placed and which acts as a sort of internal treatment [conditionnement intérieur] affecting our subsequent reading of the facts and the texts. The Council is not the same thing as the para-conciliar ideology, but the story about that ecclesial event and about the mass media has served in large part to mystify the Council, and that is precisely the para-conciliar ideology. In order to show all the consequences of the para-conciliar ideology as an historical event, one would have to examine the Revolution of 1968, which was based on the principle of breaking with the past and radical change in history. In the para-conciliar ideology, the 1968 Movement meant a new paradigm for the Church in breaking with the past.”

Msgr. Pozzo concluded that we must use “the hermeneutic of reform in continuity” recommended by Benedict XVI “to address controverted questions, thus freeing, so to speak, the Council from the para-council that has become mixed up with it, while preserving the principle of the integrity of Catholic doctrine and of complete fidelity to the deposit of faith handed down by Tradition and interpreted by the Magisterium of the Church”.

At the end of this presentation, one question remains: can the para-council denounced by the Secretary of the Ecclesia Dei Commission be identified with the post-conciliar period? One is tempted to answer in the affirmative, considering that this para-council supposedly endeavored to conform the documents composed between 1962 and 1965 to the spirit of the May 1968 Revolution. But he says also that “the conciliar, or more precisely, para-conciliar ideology … took hold of the Council from the beginning and superimposed itself on the proceedings.” Didn’t this superimposition “from the beginning” have any influence on the composition of the conciliar documents? Msgr. Pozzo thinks that the para-conciliar ideology affected neither the documents of the Council, nor the intention of their authors, but merely supplied “the general framework of interpretation in which the Council was placed and which acts as a sort of internal treatment affecting our subsequent reading of the facts and the texts”. The para-conciliar ideology would then be an external framework conditioning from within our reading of the documents…
 
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Do you happen to know if the entire conference is available anywhere?
 
Giuseppe

Do you happen to know if the entire conference is available anywhere?
No, I’m sorry I don’t. The story comes from the DICI website. The original story had some editorial comments concerning Archbishop Lefebvre’s involvement in the council which I chose not to include to keep the thread on-topic and in respect to the current moratorium on Society discussions.

Perhaps the Fraternity has the entire content posted somewhere but it may not be in English given the venue.
 
WIth all due respect, the “interpretation” argument is the same happy line of defense we have heard for half a century.

Was it the “para-council” who gave out papal rings to the council cardinals? Was it the “para-council” who gave his Papal Tiara to the UN, or who said that the UN (not Church teaching) was the obligatory path to world peace? Was it the para-council who waxed on during the council about the goal of a one-world government? No. It was not.

Was it the “para-council” who authorized the destruction of Catholic sanctuaries, art, and music? Was it the “para-council” who sat idly by and watched the mutilation of the liturgy and did nothing? Blaming the rotten fruits of Vat ll on some ephemeral non-entity is preposterous. It is a nice defense for the voluntary neutering of the papacy by the bully cardinal college, but anyone who has studied the council and it’s “spirit” knows that it was the attempted suicide of the church from within. Let’s just get a Syllabus of errors going and get it over with. The deception is over. Look at the wreckage. This papacy will be very telling. Did catholics leave the church, or did the church leave them? We shall see. I doubt any corrections will be made, as Vatican ll is our new God, to be worshiped defended and elevated above all else.
 
May I add that I am sure that many of the FSSP priests subjected to this nonsense did a massive eye-roll listening to the same old excuse, the “interpretation” excuse. They know better.

There is no excuse for what Rome allowed to happen to the church. No excuse whatsoever. Will this Pope finish the work of Benedict Vl, or will he be ashamed of the cross as he seemed to be at his first media audience and continue the legacy of Vatican ll destruction.
Now, listen to the angry posts accusing me of heresy. Perhaps the moderator will ban me from future posts, for all “faithful” catholics are required under threat of ridicule and persecution to bow down and worship the spirit of Vat ll and leave our brains and ancient church documents at home.
 
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