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You would judge God?
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StAnastasia
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If anyone, anyone at all, commanded me to slaughter and burn my beloved son as a holocaust, I would judge that person, being, or entity – physical, spiritual, or imaginary – to be stark raving mad.
Happy Easter,
StAnastasia
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grannymh
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buffalo
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That is the essence of the story. Abraham was so faithful to God, he would have done that trusting his son into God’s hands. Oh yea of little faith StA.
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StAnastasia
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It’s not a question of faith at all. In the country in which I live, if I claimed that God had commanded me in a dream to kill my son and burn him on an altar in the front yard (or in our local wilderness area), I would be arrested and tried, and probably either executed or committed to an insane asylum. Besides, my country has tough air pollution rules, and permits to offer burnt holocausts unto the Lord are very expensive to obtain, particularly if there is an inversion layer for which one needs to obtain a variance.
But this is no doubt off topic, as we were meant to be discussing last March’s Rome evolution conference.
StAnastasia
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mpartyka
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Getting back to topic, does anyone happen to have (or know where to find) transcripts of the presentations made at the conference?
–Mike
–Mike
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grannymh
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Ask StAnastasia who attended the conference. Website is www.evolution-rome2009.net
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MojeIme1981
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You may find a summary from a catholic-creationists perspective regarding two events in Rome few mounts ago:
kolbecenter.org/ → go to Articles → Investigating Evolution in Rome
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Orogeny
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Yeah, that was the conference of “creation scientists” who were not invited to the Vatican.
Peace
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Camron
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I know it’s off topic, but FWIW, I have to offer some sympathy for StAnastasia. If God had asked me to do what He asked Abraham to do, I would have failed that test miserably.
I WOULD HAVE MISERABLY FAILED.
That’s why God called Abraham and not me.
It’s easy to say that we would do something if asked by God to do it. But until we’re actually in that situation and truly tested, we really can’t say we would do it. We’re going on faith.
BTW, Abraham reasoned that God could raise the dead, and figuratively speaking, he did receive Isaac back from death. It’s in Hebrews 11:19. Thankfully, Abraham’s faith did not require God to literally raise Isaac back from the dead (not this time anyway).
Now back to the Conference on Evolution…
I WOULD HAVE MISERABLY FAILED.
That’s why God called Abraham and not me.
It’s easy to say that we would do something if asked by God to do it. But until we’re actually in that situation and truly tested, we really can’t say we would do it. We’re going on faith.
BTW, Abraham reasoned that God could raise the dead, and figuratively speaking, he did receive Isaac back from death. It’s in Hebrews 11:19. Thankfully, Abraham’s faith did not require God to literally raise Isaac back from the dead (not this time anyway).
Now back to the Conference on Evolution…
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buffalo
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Here is something:
The False Contraposition Between Darwinism and the Church****Fabio Colagrande
Colloquium with the Vice-Director of the Pontifical Gregorian University’s conference on biological evolution
A century and a half after the publication of The Origin of Species by Charles Darwin, considered a milestone in the history of evolutionary biology, and following recent important scientific discoveries, the theme of evolution calls for serious reconsideration, both from a scientific point of view and from a philosophical and theological perspective. Principally in order to overcome the ideological positions and polemics that now, two centuries after Darwin’s birth, more than ever fuel the debate. We see confusion between theology and science that is instrumental in provoking on one hand an anti-religious metaphysical evolutionism, and on the other a fundamentalist extremism that leads to a misunderstood creationism, or to “Intelligent Design”.
For these reasons, the Pontifical Gregorian University, in collaboration with the University of Notre Dame (Indiana, USA), under the high patronage of the Pontifical Council for Culture, and in the context of the STOQ Project (Science, Theology and the Ontological Quest) organized at its seat in Rome an international conference on the theme “Biological Evolution: Facts and Theories”, which was held from 3-7 March [2009]. The principal aim of the initiative was to consider the question of evolution in a wider perspective than that of traditional post-Darwinism, in the light of recent research discoveries.
What scientific value has the theory of evolution today, 150 years after its birth, and is it still possible to speak of a single theory? We asked Gennaro Auletta, lecturer in the Philosophy of Science at the Pontifical Gregorian University, scientific director of the STOQ Project and Vice-Director of the conference.
more…
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cassini
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Camron, if you heard a voice coming from above and you believed it was God, and you knew God, who knows what you would do if asked by Him. Your humility indicates to me you may well have obeyed.I know it’s off topic, but FWIW, I have to offer some sympathy for StAnastasia. If God had asked me to do what He asked Abraham to do, I would have failed that test miserably.
I WOULD HAVE MISERABLY FAILED.
That’s why God called Abraham and not me.
It’s easy to say that we would do something if asked by God to do it. But until we’re actually in that situation and truly tested, we really can’t say we would do it. We’re going on faith.
BTW, Abraham reasoned that God could raise the dead, and figuratively speaking, he did receive Isaac back from death. It’s in Hebrews 11:19. Thankfully, Abraham’s faith did not require God to literally raise Isaac back from the dead (not this time anyway).
Now back to the Conference on Evolution…
I remember as a kid I used to ask myself if I would have committed that Original Sin. Then I looked at all my sins and said ‘yeh, probably.’
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cassini
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Aw, it doesn’t say anything about us NORMAL Catholics who reject evolutionism on the grounds of scientific examination and a faith in the literal interpretation of Genesis as held by all the fathers whether it was done in one day or over six days - or are we the FUNDAMENTALISTS mentioned above?
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buffalo
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From what I got of this conference is the Church wanted to “listen” to what mainstream science had to say. I think it will take some time to boil this down.
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cassini
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From my investigations, history reading, and an interest in the subject of evolution and theology, I have NO doubts but that Churchmen will row in behind what the ‘scientists’ tell them to believe and accept.
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buffalo
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Ouch!
That would mean scientism rules the day not ultimate truth. That is bad for everyone.
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edwest2
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Really? Why?
The following is from the Catholic newspaper Our Sunday Visitor, dated April 19, 2009.
“Any view of evolution that assumes on principle that biological nature is entirely governed by chance and blind laws must be in error.”
Peace,
Ed
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cassini
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Because they always have. First it was heliocentricism, then uniformitarianism (no universal flood - a local one that went above the mountains locally - no 6,000 years of Christian martyrology - then evolutionism - then Big Bangism - with Einstein’s whacky theories made Catholic (JPII) I’ve even read where Catholicism has no problem with ALIENS.
Your quote proves me right - theistic evolution without doubt.
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Namesake
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What about no evidence of the Exodus? Or the slaughter of the innocents? Lots of stuff in the Old Testament isn’t supported by science, evidence. That doesn’t detract from the significance of the stories at all. Faith shouldn’t hinge on science, just on faith and meaning.
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This is all part of what I call The Bible Explanation Industry. Those who worship the human mind under the label science want two realities. And a false separation. Adam and Eve were two individuals? Nope. No evidence. This contradicts the Bible and denies real knowledge about our first parents.
If this continues then the Bible becomes a book of good stories to be taken only on faith. This is a false separation that is in no way endorsed by the Church.
Do not be deceived. Just like the gentleman who claimed to have found a stone box containing the bones of Jesus, the goal is not knowledge of the world or of the faith and where the two intersect but a clear desire to separate them. To make science the source of all truth. Once again, do not be deceived. Evidence can be created and ‘truth’ can be manipulated. The goal: atheism.
Peace,
Ed
If this continues then the Bible becomes a book of good stories to be taken only on faith. This is a false separation that is in no way endorsed by the Church.
Do not be deceived. Just like the gentleman who claimed to have found a stone box containing the bones of Jesus, the goal is not knowledge of the world or of the faith and where the two intersect but a clear desire to separate them. To make science the source of all truth. Once again, do not be deceived. Evidence can be created and ‘truth’ can be manipulated. The goal: atheism.
Peace,
Ed
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