Confession: Are all of our sins: past, present, and future-forgiven?

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**Are all of our sins—past, present, and future—forgiven once and for all when we become Christians? Not according to the Bible or the early Church Fathers. Scripture nowhere states that our future sins are forgiven; instead, it teaches us to pray, “And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors” (Matt. 6:12).

The means by which God forgives sins after baptism is confession: “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness” (1 John 1:9). Minor or venial sins can be confessed directly to God, but for grave or mortal sins, which crush the spiritual life out of the soul, God has instituted a different means for obtaining forgiveness—the sacrament known popularly as confession, penance, or reconciliation.

This sacrament is rooted in the mission God gave to Christ in his capacity as the Son of man on earth to go and forgive sins (cf. Matt. 9:6). Thus, the crowds who witnessed this new power “glorified God, who had given such authority to men” (Matt. 9:8; note the plural “men”). After his resurrection, Jesus passed on his mission to forgive sins to his ministers, telling them, “As the Father has sent me, even so I send you. . . . Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained” (John 20:21–23).

Since it is not possible to confess all of our many daily faults, we know that sacramental reconciliation is required only for grave or mortal sins—but it is required, or Christ would not have commanded it.

Over time, the forms in which the sacrament has been administered have changed. In the early Church, publicly known sins (such as apostasy) were often confessed openly in church, though private confession to a priest was always an option for privately committed sins. Still, confession was not just something done in silence to God alone, but something done “in church,” as the Didache (A.D. 70) indicates.

Penances also tended to be performed before rather than after absolution, and they were much more strict than those of today (ten years’ penance for abortion, for example, was common in the early Church).

But the basics of the sacrament have always been there, as the following quotations reveal. Of special significance is their recognition that confession and absolution must be received by a sinner before receiving Holy Communion, for “[w]hoever . . . eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord” (1 Cor. 11:27). **

Source: catholic.com/library/Confession.asp

Mark 2:5 And Jesus seeing their faith *said to the paralytic, “Son, your sins are forgiven.” ]Were his sins forgiven or just some of them?

Luke 5:20 Seeing their faith, He said, “Friend, your sins are forgiven you.” Were his sins forgiven or just some of them?

Eph 4:32 Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you. Were they just partially forgiven?

Col 2:13 When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions, **Is this all or just some? **

1John 2:12 I am writing to you, little children, because your sins have been forgiven you for His name’s sake.

I thought the whole idea of “fulfilling all righteousness”, the work of Christ on the cross was to fully reconcile (save us from the penalty of sin) to God…this is the Gospel or “Good News”…what am I missing here? :confused: :confused: :confused:
 
Are all of our sins—past, present, and future—forgiven once and for all when we become Christians? Not according to the Bible or the early Church Fathers. Scripture nowhere states that our future sins are forgiven; instead, it teaches us to pray, “And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors” (Matt. 6:12).

The means by which God forgives sins after baptism is confession: “If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness” (1 John 1:9). Minor or venial sins can be confessed directly to God, but for grave or mortal sins, which crush the spiritual life out of the soul, God has instituted a different means for obtaining forgiveness—the sacrament known popularly as confession, penance, or reconciliation.

This sacrament is rooted in the mission God gave to Christ in his capacity as the Son of man on earth to go and forgive sins (cf. Matt. 9:6). Thus, the crowds who witnessed this new power “glorified God, who had given such authority to men” (Matt. 9:8; note the plural “men”). After his resurrection, Jesus passed on his mission to forgive sins to his ministers, telling them, “As the Father has sent me, even so I send you. . . . Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained” (John 20:21–23).

Since it is not possible to confess all of our many daily faults, we know that sacramental reconciliation is required only for grave or mortal sins—but it is required, or Christ would not have commanded it.

Over time, the forms in which the sacrament has been administered have changed. In the early Church, publicly known sins (such as apostasy) were often confessed openly in church, though private confession to a priest was always an option for privately committed sins. Still, confession was not just something done in silence to God alone, but something done “in church,” as the Didache (A.D. 70) indicates.

Penances also tended to be performed before rather than after absolution, and they were much more strict than those of today (ten years’ penance for abortion, for example, was common in the early Church).


**But the basics of the sacrament have always been there, as the following quotations reveal. Of special significance is their recognition that confession and absolution must be received by a sinner before receiving Holy Communion, for “[w]hoever . . . eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of profaning the body and blood of the Lord” (1 Cor. 11:27). **

Source: catholic.com/library/Confession.asp

Mark 2:5 And Jesus seeing their faith *said to the paralytic, “Son, your sins are forgiven.” ]Were his sins forgiven or just some of them?
Luke 5:20 Seeing their faith, He said, “Friend, your sins are forgiven you.” Were his sins forgiven or just some of them?

Eph 4:32 Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you. Were they just partially forgiven?

Col 2:13 When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions, **Is this all or just some? **

1John 2:12 I am writing to you, little children, because your sins have been forgiven you for His name’s sake.

I thought the whole idea of “fulfilling all righteousness”, the work of Christ on the cross was to fully reconcile (save us from the penalty of sin) to God…this is the Gospel or “Good News”…what am I missing here? :confused: :confused: :confused:## The satisfaction made by Christ satisfies for all sins soever - but it is a gross abuse of it, to use it as an excuse for sin, since He died to deliver us from sin. If we do sin in the future, that sin has been atoned for - at an infinite cost. Those who abuse the grace of Christ as an excuse to sin are no different from devils. (BTW - it ought to be self-evident that where there is intention to sin, there is no repentance for it: we cannot repent, if we intend to do what we know is wrong.)

**As for the Christian in his daily life - this atonement & satisfaction is meant to be reflected in our lives, as a consequence of our being members of Christ: we should live in a way that is a living out of what we claim with words to believe. **

Hope that helps 🙂
 
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Christ did die for our sins. And Baptism into His death and life cleanses us of Original Sin, but we still have the effects of it, the tendency to sin. As far as our own personal sins go, we can receive forgiveness. The Lord seems to want us to ask for His forgiveness. (And over time the form of this asking, this confession of one’s sins, has undergone some changes.) Then there is also the matter of satisfaction for sins, the matter of temporal punishment due because of the sins, and this is distinct from the forgiveness, the absolving, itself.

We confess sins that have actually been committed, not that might one day be committed. The priest can only absolve you for sins that you have actually committed. But there is still the matter of penance to be performed to remit the punishment due because of the sin. A better way of putting it would be, to repair the damage done to one’s soul as a result of the sin. This reparation must be made or the damage not only remains but actually becomes worse, leading us to sin more. And this is often ignored, even by Catholics. God hit me with a two-by-four, right between the eyes, and so I learned about that bit of doctrine the hard way. Ouch.

As to sin of which one is not aware…this is where learning and the Church’s teachings on morality and the interior life come in. And also self-knowledge. We must learn these things in order to grow spiritually; in order even to walk the Christian path in its fullness. I get the impression that you are on the path and have been for a while, and are thinking very seriously about these things. Thanks for letting me ramble on your thread. 🙂
 
The OP reads like the common belief of evangelicals and Baptists. It’s only missing the common example of Jesus on the cross telling the Good Thief he’d be in Heaven…*solely *because he believed. Thus the simplistic and erroneous argument that sin is effectively self-cancelling with belief in Christ as Saviour and Redeemer. It also explains the attraction to beliefs requiring no action but belief in the Bible (Sola Scriptura?). Add in the Calvinist ideal of wealth as a sign of God’s favor and predestiny, and you have pretty easy sale to those seeking salvation at no real cost or life commitment…and who think it could that easy.
 
No no people, NonCatholic is definitely not catholic. I too was initially confused. The bold black script in the OP is from a catholic source, and the OP’s comments are just underneath
 
I think the best analogy for the “future sins” question is this:

Suppose you have a dirty car. Washing it today cleans off all the dirt on it from yesterday and today, but it does not wash off the dirt that might dirty it tomorrow.

Remember, too, that in James 5:14-15 it is written about seeking out presbyters (priests) to pray over sick people and their sins will be forgiven. And since in the epistle James refers to “brothers” several times who have “faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ” (James 2:1), my best guess is that the epistle is addressed to people who are already Christians, so if one already is a Christian and all future sins are forgiven, then why the need to seek out a presbyter who will forgive sins?
 
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