Confession by phone/video call - invalid?

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Hello, my question is as per the title. Am I correct that such a manner of Confessing would be invalid? Could someone point me to the Church law that spells this out? Also, if it were invalid, and there were a parish that was doing this, would I be morally required to report it to the bishop?

Thank you
 
I don’t know about where in the Catechism it mentions it, nor if you’re compelled to report it to the Bishop, but I know that anything other than in-person confession is not valid, inconvenient though it may be.
 
Ok thank you, I’m trying to determine the last part still. I think I probably am, as if this is not valid, then ongoing sacrilege is occurring, and I would think I’m morally obligated to do the due diligence, as much as I can, to end it.

Update: I have emailed my parish priest (different parish than where this is occurring), whom I know to be 100% orthodox, so I will see what he says and take it from there.
 
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My copy of “Fundamentals of Catholic Dogma” by Dr. Ludwig Ott states on page 460, “Absolution may only be given orally and only to persons present. Cf. DH 1994-1995”

DH is Denzinger. Checking my copy of Denzinger, that’s from the “Decree of the Holy Office” written on June 20th, 1602 by Pope Clement VIII. It states for 1994:
"The most holy Lord… has condemned and forbade the following proposition: namely,
  • “that it is permitted to confess sins sacramentally to an absent confessor by letter or through a messenger and to receive absolution from this same absent confessor”,
as false, rash, and scandalous, and he has ordered that from now on this proposition not be taught in public or private lectures, assemblies, and conferences: and that it may never in any circumstances be defended as probable, published, or in any way put into practice."
 
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Thank you. I figured it would be somewhere in Canon law, so I started looking through the sections pertaining to Penance (959-997), but couldn’t find anything that explicitly addressed it. Thank you for doing the work for me.
 
I never seen my Lord Jesus Christ or Holy Spirit or God Almighty but what He taught or Holy Spirit talk are absolutely valid and what I ask for blessing are real too.
 
Dr. Ed Peters has written extensively on the topic, and opines in his latest two blog posts:

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Ever since the pandemic arose, I have had an issue with prohibiting confession via cell phone where the confessor and the penitent are in the same general vicinity (6 to 12 feet or thereabouts), and can even see one another if no screen is used, with the cell phone being used solely to facilitate audible conversation that cannot be overheard by others. I have heard objections based upon confidentiality and the alleged unsecure nature of phone conversation, but I remain unconvinced. Priests and penitents can easily be heard by nearby persons (e.g., in line to go to confession) if they raise their voices ever so slightly, which seems to be more and more prevalent nowadays, and there are always the old dual confession booths with penitents on either side of the priest, as well as the open confessionals you will see in Europe and elsewhere. Yet nobody seems to have a problem with that, even though the confession is far more likely to be heard by a third party, than over a cell phone with digital encryption (I’m not sure whether analog cell phones even exist anymore).

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A penitent’s confession could easily be heard by someone sitting in the nearby pew (the one with the cross on the end of it). If it were my church, I’d rope off a 10-15 foot buffer zone around the confessional.
 
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While I would agree that confession should be valid if the cellphones are used in the scenario you described, my concern regarding privacy wouldn’t be people overhearing us, but the call history.

I wonder if it would be possible to use a walkie-talkie, or some equivalent that the priest could plug earbuds into?
 
While I would agree that confession should be valid if the cellphones are used in the scenario you described, my concern regarding privacy wouldn’t be people overhearing us, but the call history.
I hadn’t thought of that, but the same lack of confidentiality (i.e., whether the penitent went to confession or not, and who the priest was) would exist either by using security cameras in the church with recorded activity, or simply by someone inside the church who saw the priest enter the confessional, and then saw people going into and coming out of the confessional. I would certainly hope that churches, especially in heavily-traveled urban areas with many people coming and going during the day, would be doing recorded video surveillance. Such recordings can be invaluable in identifying perpetrators, whether it is someone robbing an ATM or a convenience store, shoplifters (when I was a retail manager, I set up a system with a VCR and cameras on the ceiling so I would have proof of thievery), or people vandalizing or disturbing the peace in a church.
 
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You cannot confess in any way other than in person. So, not by carrier pigeon, semaphore, smoke signals, Skype, Zoom, FaceTime, video call, messenger, WhatsApp, SnapChat, Viber, text message, Telegram, telex, WeChat or any other means that doesn’t involve physical presence.

While voice amplification is permissible (megaphones might not be such a good idea) I don’t see mobile phones as falling into this category simply because that’s not what they do. Walkie Talkies would create an even greater risk of interception. Any risk of a confession being overheard should always be minimised as much as possible.
Also, if it were invalid, and there were a parish that was doing this, would I be morally required to report it to the bishop?
Not sure about morally required but certainly it’s something which a bishop would want to know about.
 
Thank you, Father.

It seems we have been over this prohibition multiple times on multiple threads since the COVID pandemic began and some priests were trying to offer confession by mobile phone in order to allow for distancing. The bishops have stepped in and stopped it each time. I am not sure why people are continuing to talk on threads about how it should be allowed.
 
Probably because not everyone sees every thread and also either doesn’t know how to search previous threads or that they ought to do it. It’s simply that people have a problem and so ask it. It will no doubt happen again, especially as most of the Northern hemisphere head into winter and possibly greater restrictions. It would be wise if possible for things like this to be made a sticky post, or some such solution.
 
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It’s not a problem with someone asking the question, but the person debating the issue is a regular poster who after numerous threads is still “unconvinced” that the Church is correct on this, apparently.

It’s a closed issue.
 
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When a confessional of that type (usually a more modern version as that one looks like it would break if people sat or knelt on it) is used today, it is typically either placed in an open area such as a room or space with no pews around, like a corner of the sanctuary.

As for privacy, people can see you are going to confession, but that’s not a big deal given that people likely would see you standing in line in the church for confession even if you were going in a closed room or box. If you didn’t want anyone to know you were even going, you could make an appointment. People generally know to sit or stand a distance away so they don’t hear. No need to rope things off.

I’ve been confessing for months using a modern version of this placed in the sanctuary of Church A, or at Church B where they simply put a priest or two in a chair at either end of the chapel and you go sit in a chair facing them 6 feet away. In the chapel setup, someone comes and plays the piano during confessions to further cover up the noise, and no one but the actual one or two persons confessing is allowed in the chapel, everybody forms a line in the vestibule.

It’s really not hard. I’ve confessed at shrines in much more crowded circumstances.
 
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Hello, my question is as per the title. Am I correct that such a manner of Confessing would be invalid? Could someone point me to the Church law that spells this out? Also, if it were invalid, and there were a parish that was doing this, would I be morally required to report it to the bishop?

Thank you
The Sacrament can’t be administered remotely but it’s still perfectly possible for a person to receive spiritual direction remotely. If the Sacrament itself is being simulated invalidly then that is something the bishop should know about, but that is very unlikely.

Peace.
 
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It’s not a problem with someone asking the question, but the person debating the issue is a regular poster who after numerous threads is still “unconvinced” that the Church is correct on this, apparently.

It’s a closed issue.
Yes, I’m “unconvinced”. To my mind, a cell phone used in visual proximity to a priest, at a certain common-sense social distance, is no different from a hearing-impaired person (or priest) using a telephone receiver inside the confessional. It’s basically a quibble over how sound waves should be conveyed from one point to another, and in what manner they should be processed, to get them between those two points. Did not Father Damien shout his confession to a priest in a ship some distance away when he was quarantined due to Hansen’s Disease? It’s not a matter of doctrine. It is merely a matter of church order. It is of the same species, as if I disagreed that a diocese should have been split, that a parish church was built in this location instead of that, that they should have put padding in the pews when they didn’t (or vice versa), or that the Pope should have appointed Bishop X instead of Bishop Y to preside over Diocese Z. I don’t think anyone argues that such a confession would be invalid. Illicit, yes, invalid, no. (I will stand corrected on the latter argument.)

No, it’s sure not. I think the expectation would be that both priest and penitent whisper. That expectation gets lost in some churches these days. Sometimes I feel like slipping a note under the door, “hey, keep it down, people can hear you, I’m sure you don’t want that”.
As for privacy, people can see you are going to confession, but that’s not a big deal given that people likely would see you standing in line in the church for confession even if you were going in a closed room or box. If you didn’t want anyone to know you were even going, you could make an appointment. People generally know to sit or stand a distance away so they don’t hear. No need to rope things off.
That’s quite right. If you go to confession in the traditional manner, people will see you going in, and they’ll very likely know which priest is hearing confessions (some parishes have a sign on the door with the priest’s name). Confidentiality with regard to “Father X heard Joe Blow’s confession” isn’t really possible in such circumstances. If you want that kind of confidentiality, make an appointment and see the priest privately.
 
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Yes, I’m “unconvinced”. To my mind, a cell phone used in visual proximity to a priest, at a certain common-sense social distance, is no different from a hearing-impaired person (or priest) using a telephone receiver inside the confessional.
The problem is that the conversation can be intercepted by the network vendor, and not only listened to, but recorded. Worse yet, it can be done surreptitiously. That’s the reason why cell phones – even at a six- or twelve-foot distance, cannot be used for the sacrament of reconciliation.
 
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Thank you, Father.

It seems we have been over this prohibition multiple times on multiple threads since the COVID pandemic began and some priests were trying to offer confession by mobile phone in order to allow for distancing. The bishops have stepped in and stopped it each time. I am not sure why people are continuing to talk on threads about how it should be allowed.
Because prominent canonists such as Dr. Ed Peters believe there is a good basis for permitting such practices as you mention, in narrow and well-controlled cases.
 
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