correct. Do you not think that saying wipes away or cleanses sin is the same as takes away sin?1459 Many sins wrong our neighbor. One must do what is possible in order to repair the harm (e.g., return stolen goods, restore the reputation of someone slandered, pay compensation for injuries). Simple justice requires as much. But sin also injures and weakens the sinner himself, as well as his relationships with God and neighbor. Absolution takes away sin, but it does not remedy all the disorders sin has caused. Raised up from sin, the sinner must still recover his full spiritual health by doing something more to make amends for the sin: he must “make satisfaction for” or “expiate” his sins. This satisfaction is also called “penance.”
Sins are absolved only when a Priest gives absolution.OK I’ll look elsewhere for an answer because I still don’t see where it says Reconciliation is the ONLY way to have sins absolved.
Cleansing or wiping away sins to me is more than just forgiveness imo.
again, i’m not saying you are wrong, just trying to get to the source of your belief
Any Sacrament can take away - remove- venial sins -for in the Sacraments - all of them - there is an infusion of Sanctifying Grace.correct. Do you not think that saying wipes away or cleanses sin is the same as takes away sin?
No offense taken here but what do you mean by the words absolving as it taught in the Catholic Church? I will like to know so as to receive better clarification by which you had addressed.We are discussing what the Catholic Church and Theology Teach -so the various Orthodox Churches and Theology are not under discussion here. (no offense to our Eastern Orthodox Brothers…)
scborromeo.org/ccc/p2s2c2a4.htm#VIWhat do you mean by the words absolving as it taught in the Catholic Church? I will like to know so as to receive better clarification by which you had addressed.
Thank you. It is a very thorough description of what occurs within the Sacrament of Holy Confession as it is taught in the Church of Rome.
Catechism:I’m not saying you are incorrect, would just like some church doctrine on the subject because it is clear that there are differenting opinions out there
As a sinner though, formal forgiveness vs informal forgiveness doesn’t matter to me. I mean if they only difference b/t abosolution and forgiveness is that it is a formality then tehre really is no difference.I Googled absolution for a working definition of it as opposed to other forms of forgiveness. One helpful thing I found was that absolution is a “formal release” from the sin being forgiven. It is a forgiveness that is dependent upon the authority of the priest, who is acting in persona Christi. If we do not confess sins to a priest, then we are not absolved.
If the sins are only venial, they can still be forgiven through other means. Absolution is an ecclesiastical action, one that the Church has in order to be able to offer forgiveness to the baptized Catholic for serious transgressions.
you have posted this numerous times…it still doesn’t address my question. We aren’t on the same page and that is fine. I will see elsewhereCatechism:
1495 Only priests who have received the faculty of absolving from the authority of the Church can forgive sins in the name of Christ.
1496 The spiritual effects of the sacrament of Penance are:
- reconciliation with God by which the penitent recovers grace;
- reconciliation with the Church;
- remission of the eternal punishment incurred by mortal sins;
- remission, at least in part, of temporal punishments resulting from sin;
- peace and serenity of conscience, and spiritual consolation;
- an increase of spiritual strength for the Christian battle.
1416 Communion with the Body and Blood of Christ increases the communicant’s union with the Lord, forgives his venial sins, and preserves him from grave sins. Since receiving this sacrament strengthens the bonds of charity between the communicant and Christ, it also reinforces the unity of the Church as the Mystical Body of Christ.
scborromeo.org/ccc/ccc_toc.htm
No that is the *first *time. (yes similar was posted from other places but that is the first time that was posted)you have posted this numerous times…it still doesn’t address my question. We aren’t on the same page and that is fine. I will see elsewhere
Let’s start from scratch.What is your question then?
it is not just about sins being forgiven.Let’s start from scratch.
This all came up b/c I asked what the benefit is of going to confession if you are about to go to communion (assuming no mortal sin has occurred)
Confession will absolve sins. Communion will forgive sins. What is the difference?
No it is a reality. A very profound renewal of ones baptism and an increase in grace and in grace that is particular to* that Sacrament* and to working against “those particular sins” that are confessed.Is it simply a formality? If so, then that doesn’t seem essential to forgiveness. If it is more than a formality, how? Is it taking away the punishment of sin?
One of your earlier links said that absolution takes away sin. Communion does the same.