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Don’t know if I’ve ever said it on this forum, but I will say it now:

Confession is awesomely awesome! :yup: :dancing: :clapping: :rotfl: :amen:
 
I agree. I don’t always want to go to confession, but once I do I feel so terrificly great! Thanks for sharing.:clapping:
 
yes,
dittos to what everyone said.
i always go through the same emotional dynamic.
always nervous beforehand, part of me wants to not go, almost like a little voice telling me i really don’t ened to do this, and i always feel joy and relief afterwards.
 
I agree completely, although I don’t go nearly as often as I should. It really is a wonderful feeling to come out of that confessional - it’s the closest thing to true freedom that you can ever experience on this earth.
 
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Dan-Man916:
yes,
dittos to what everyone said.
i always go through the same emotional dynamic.
always nervous beforehand, part of me wants to not go, almost like a little voice telling me i really don’t ened to do this, and i always feel joy and relief afterwards.
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That’s SOOOOO me… it’s always the same sin that trips me up…and the priest offered simple, yet profound advice: when I am tempted to commit the sin, ask Christ to help me.

That’s it.
 
:hmmm:

i’m waiting for someone to say that George Bush doesn’t believe in confession… :cool:

😃 😃
 
i’m waiting for someone to say that George Bush doesn’t believe in confession… :cool:

😃 😃
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We’re just trying to stay away from the obvious 🙂
 
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redkim:
We’re just trying to stay away from the obvious 🙂
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that was my point… it seams you could talk about starving children riding whales and some dingdong would try to turn it political (as referenced by almost every thread out there) it was more of a test to see how fast some would take the hook, and i just offered my self as the catylist… not seriously… see the smiley face… but you watch… it will happen… as sure as God made little green apples, it will happen… 👍
 
In fairness to your thread… confession is my 2nd favorite sacrament… my wife just told me it is my third favorite sacrament. :bowdown2:…phew… hung me on the matrimony… :eek:
 
Dont mean to change subjects, but I was curious. Do you feel that forgivness is found during this time, or that a path is shown to you to approach the Father for forgivness during confession?

Is it really nothing more than spiritual counseling, or does some spiritual absolution take place at this moment of confession?

Peace
 
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Dont mean to change subjects, but I was curious. Do you feel that forgivness is found during this time, or that a path is shown to you to approach the Father for forgivness during confession?

Is it really nothing more than spiritual counseling, or does some spiritual absolution take place at this moment of confession?

Peace
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Jesus has empowered His priests (in the Catholic Church) with His power to absolve sins in His name, so if you make a sincere confession with the resolution to sin no more (even if you fail), you are sins are forgiven.
 
Stobie, thanks for your answer. Where did this pratice come from?

It seems like a re-instatement of some of the roles of the High Priest.
 
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Stobie, thanks for your answer. Where did this pratice come from?

It seems like a re-instatement of some of the roles of the High Priest.
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In many way the old testament Priests pre-figured the current priesthood.

Catechism of the Catholic Church #1444
In imparting to his apostles his own power to forgive sins the Lord also gives them the authority to reconcile sinners with the Church. This ecclesial dimension of their task is expressed most notably in Christ’s solemn words to Simon Peter: “I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.” “The office of binding and loosing which was given to Peter was also assigned to the college of the apostles united to its head.”
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Catechism of the Catholic Church #1461
Since Christ entrusted to his apostles the ministry of reconciliation, bishops who are their successors, and priests, the bishops’ collaborators, continue to exercise this ministry. Indeed bishops and priests, by virtue of the sacrament of Holy Orders, have the power to forgive all sins “in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.”
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Again, thanks.

So, basically, what your saying is that when Christ gave the keys to Peter, it gave Peter authority to speak for God in relation to binding/loosing and forgiving sins? The implications are rather huge, so I want to phrase my question correct here. Its really not speaking ‘for’ God, its speaking ‘as’ God, because essentially what I hear you saying is that Peter (and successors) had the authority to say “I forgive you”.
The difference here between this role, and the High Priest, is that the HP went to God to seek absolution, he didn’t grant it. So essentially, my assumption was incorrect. While the HP acted as a ‘go between’, he still did not forgive, which was for God alone.

How do you think this compares with the instruction the LORD gave us in the LORD’s prayer? That such a petition should go to the Father?

Also, in regards to this quote, what reasoning is there to believe that this doesnt apply to all followers of Christ and only to Peter? The premise is found in many other passages: ask and it shall be given to you, etc etc. This wasnt a ‘new’ or individual thought. So I find myself curious in this regard.

Don’t misunderstand me. I am not trying to attack or anything. Just seeking answers to some questions here. I have nothing but respect for the clergy, and I thank you for your time.
 
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Its really not speaking ‘for’ God, its speaking ‘as’ God, because essentially what I hear you saying is that Peter (and successors) had the authority to say “I forgive you”.
The difference here between this role, and the High Priest, is that the HP went to God to seek absolution, he didn’t grant it. So essentially, my assumption was incorrect. While the HP acted as a ‘go between’, he still did not forgive, which was for God alone.
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Yes, the new testament versions of the old testament versions are always greater.

The priest acts “in persona Christi Capitia”. See the Catholic Catechism #1548-1551 for a description of this.
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How do you think this compares with the instruction the LORD gave us in the LORD’s prayer? That such a petition should go to the Father?
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I assume you mean “Forgive us … as we forgive others …”. In confession, we get complete forgiveness, even if we do not truly forgive others. The “Our Father” gives us a higher standard, asking for not only his forgiveness but also to help us forgive others.
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Also, in regards to this quote, what reasoning is there to believe that this doesnt apply to all followers of Christ and only to Peter? The premise is found in many other passages: ask and it shall be given to you, etc etc. This wasnt a ‘new’ or individual thought. So I find myself curious in this regard.
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Peter (and his successors) as keepers of the keys have the right to delegate any of their powers to others. The popes and the church have delegated this to those validly ordained into the priesthood.

Why can not everyone minister all the sacraments? The sacraments are to be used to build up the body of Christ, the Church and its members. The priests are servants of the body of Christ ministering to it in dedicated loving service. There are trained to make sure that the sacraments are properly used. They all have strict requirements for their use so that there purposes are not defeated. From a worldy point of view, if everyone was a fully trained and practicing priest, who would produce the goods (food, clothing, etc.) we need to live on?
 
Okay, I’m reading 1548-1551 now, and relating this to what you wrote.

My first question/comment is from what you said here “Yes, the new testament versions of the old testament versions are always greater”

I hope you understand, that firstly I agree, the New Covenant is greater than the Old. However, I do not understand making such a practice as confession from this.

The reason is the magnitutde of such a statement as this:

1549 says “he is like the living image of God the Father”

Thats off the charts to the gravity of this situation, as I am sure you agree. So, I am looking at this, and am trying understand how this doctrine and practice is formulated from one verse.

To be honest with you, the first passage of Scripture that comes to mind is like the whole book of Hebrews, and its teachings of the old and new priesthood.

Before a priest was required to enter into the Most Holy Place. After the veil is torn, and all may enter, removing the need for any person, other that Christ Himself, to act in such a manner.

What other Scripture is this taken from? When did this practice originate?

Okay, I’m reading some more and I have more questions/comments: 1544 says that Jesus is the “one mediator between God and men”, 1546 says that all believers are preistly, 1422 looks like it is saying that the sacrament of Penance is obtaining mercy from the Church, but 1424 looks like the sacrament of confession is 'essential (which I agree one should seek out those they sin against), but in clause two it appears that the priest is the one who grants forgivness (which is what you said, that a person forgives for God)…
I find it odd no Scripture is referenced to in this area of the catechism??..
oh wait #7 is a reference to 2 Cor 5:20, and 8 is a reference to Mat 5:24, but both of which are seeking forgivness from people, not God.
1525 even brings up the LORD’s prayer (praying to the Father~seeking Him directly for His Forgivenss)

and then some really good writing on inward reflection

then we find 1441, and this says that “Only God forgives sins” And here I am back asking how a man can forgive, if the Church is saying only God can forgive? Who is man to speak for Almighty God?
The reference here from Scripture is again 2 Cor 5:20 which Paul says “we implore you on Christ’s behalf: be reconciled to God” It is calling out for people to repent to God, not forgiving them of their sins.
The other reference is 2 Cor 5:18 which states: “God reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconcilliation” This is really awesome indeed, and clarification of this minsitry is found here in verse 19 “He has committed to us the message of reconciliation”, then of couse verse 20, were Paul emplores the Church at Corinth to reconcil themselves with God, and verse 21 in Christ we can become righteouss.

Awesome indeed, but I don’t see the precendt of this practice.

1446 is very interestin indeed, but for another topic. 1449 again reminds me of Hebrews when it writes “The formula of absolution…” Compare with Hebrews 10:1

I’m going to stop there for now. I hope you realize, I am only seeking clarity to understanding this practice. I appreciate your time in this matter.
 
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