Confirmation or Not?

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Chortle:
My fourteen year-old daughter is considering whether to be confirmed or not. Part of her doesn’t want to be confirmed because she disagrees with many of the teachings of the Catholic Church. She even stopped going to Mass about eight months ago because of her disagreements with the Church. On the other hand, she thinks that she may want to be confirmed because other kids her age are going to be. She feels that she will miss out on the opportunity to be confirmed if she decides to wait until she agrees with Church teachings. Can anyone offer her some advise? Thank you.
Pray and visit the Blessed Sacrament often. She needs to meet with her sponsor at least once a week to talk things over. Bottom line is if she is not living the Catholic Faith, if she rejects the teachings of the Catholic Church then she should not be Confirmed. She will need to go to Confession and get back to Sunday and Holy Day Mass.
 
I agree with Br. Rich. I would add that it might be worthwhile to have her attend some catechetical instruction of some sort, even as she struggles in her doubts. Perhaps inviting her to this forum to discuss her objections.

I wasn’t confirmed until I was in my thirties. There’s no statute of limitations on confirmation. God works miracles despite teenage doubts and stubborness. 😉
 
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Chortle:
I agree that going to Mass is obligatory and would require that my daughter attend Mass if I could. However, my wife doesn’t feel this way. She believes that every person (including our child with her feet under our table) should make have complete freedom to make up their own minds regarding expressions of faith, including Mass attendance.

I do pray to St Monica for her powerful intercession regarding my daughter. Thank you for the reminder to continue to do so.
Obviously, you have two defiant females living with you. You need to lay down the law.

Try this:

In a firm voice say, “Do as I say, woman!

Repeat as necessary.

Some may suggest this is why I’ve never been married. I prefer to believe I’m just too much man for most women. I reject reality and create my own. :whacky:
 
Br. Rich SFO:
…She will need to go to Confession and get back to Sunday and Holy Day Mass.
I don’t know the answer to your confirmation question. But I think Br. Rich is onto something–the need for another sacrament: CONFESSION.

It sounds as if your daughter has lost her faith, and there’s often sin involved prior to the loss of faith in addition to sins committed after. If a person wants to commit a sin (even if they haven’t yet done it) they will often declare that what they want isn’t sinful. Your daughter now skips Mass and justifies it by saying skipping Mass isn’t a sin. We can justify all kinds of sins in the same way, and the sins usually get worse not better.

Jesus frees us from our sins through the sacrament of Confession. Perhaps you and your daughter could make a habit of monthly confession followed by some fun activity together. Even if she chooses not to go to confession, you can take her into church on a regular basis and set the example for her to see, then go out for ice cream or something. Teenage girls often need more of their dads than many realize. You might help her meet both her need for her father and her need for reconciliation with her Heavenly Father at the same time.
 
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Chortle:
My fourteen year-old daughter is considering whether to be confirmed or not. Part of her doesn’t want to be confirmed because she disagrees with many of the teachings of the Catholic Church. She even stopped going to Mass about eight months ago because of her disagreements with the Church. /QUOTE]
at 14 does she even know what the Catholic Church teaches? sure she isn’t disagreeing with something she thinks the Church teaches but has misunderstood, or has never heard a full explanation? Bring it home to her that if the Church, in the person of the bishop, calls her to Confirmation of the baptismal faith to which her parents brought her, she rejects this if she rejects the opportunity for confirmation. She is calling her parents liars, or stupid for adhering to that faith. Insist that before she make such a global decision she attend the classes, ask questions, get answers, pray, and ask Jesus to guide her and ask the Holy Spirit to enlighten her.
 
In studying the nature of the Sacrament of Confirmation I think there is but one answer to your question. Your daughter is clearly not ready to witness in her everyday life the Gospel Message as proclaim in and through the Church.

That being said, I don’t look on this as necessarily a negative, although at times I am sure there is very little positive found in the immmediate moment. However, consider where your daughter is at in her development. Adolescence, a time of natural rejection and formulating ones own set of beliefs better making ones beliefs his own.

I’m sure there may be some who would prefer that your daughter receive the Sacrament due to the Sacramental Graces that would be confired. My response to that is Grace builds upon Nature and at the present moment her nature is rather closed to the benefits of such graces, and those benefits will only become effective when she is open to them. Until then rely on her Baptismal Graces.

Finally, some may be tempted to quote the Catechism on the Nature of the Sacrament and its preparation. But remember, you yourself must either directly or indirectly testify to the Bishop of Priest administring the Sacrament that your daughter has received the correct preparation and the she is RAEDY to witness her Catholic faith through her every day life. Can you sincerely say she is ready?
 
Apologies if this is thread drift. My 13-yr old daughter doesn’t want to get confirmed either, but not because she disagrees with the Church or the importance of the sacrament. She is a very shy and sensitive girl, newly entered into teenage-hood with all its doubts and sensitivities. The reason she doesn’t want to be confirmed is that she dislikes classroom situations - she gets picked on a lot at school. I tell her that our parish’s Confirmation classes are very small (less than a dozen candidates per class) so it won’t be like school (20+ kids to one teacher who seems to keep his back turned a lot). She is still apprehensive. She was eligible to join the confirmation class this year, but declined, so I have been home-schooling her with materials from the “Faith First”’ program in order to help her continue her faith journey and to prep her, hopefully, for formal confirmation class next year. She has some tough questions that I need help answewring so that she’ll see the importance and necessity of being confirmed.
  1. Can she still be a good Catholic without being confirmed, or will she be a “bad” Catholic?
  2. She wants to know if she’ll go to hell if not confirmed.
Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

Mike
 
Confirmation is not required. Not doing so will not sentence her to hell. It will, however, greatly limit her full participation in the church. She won’t be able to minister, sacramentally marry, lector, or even participate in many other programs that place confirmation on the list of requirements. It is her right to be confirmed, and it imparts sacramental grace. So it will be difficult for her to be a “good” Catholic (ie fully participating in church life), but she will not be a “bad” Catholic by any stretch of the word.

I encourage you to speak with the church DRE or priest. It seems your daughter has some extenuating circumstances that would require a bit of working around. Classes are not a church requirement, but a parish (or diocesan) requirement. There are alternatives. RCIC/RCIA is one of them. That is much more adult in atmosphere, and a lot more personal work. Also, working at home and getting the sign-off from the priest is another option. Or, you could attend the classes with her if need-be.

I am concerned that she could be developing an outright fear of social interactions or classroom settings. You might consider having her evaluated by a counsellor to see if she would benefit from some counselling. Her confirmation preparation plans could be included in her therapy and could be adjusted to fit her personal needs.

Discussion on what confirmation is (one of three sacraments of initiation, asking the Holy Spirit into your heart (being sealed by the Holy Spirit), an indelible mark of grace, full communion with the church) and where it comes from should help her to see why it is so important.

Acts 8:14-17 - the people of Samaria were baptized in Christ, but did not receive the fullness of the Spirit until they were confirmed by the elders. Confirmation is a sacrament that Jesus Christ instituted within His Catholic Church to further strengthen the faithful.

*Acts 19:5-6 - the people of Ephesus were baptized in Christ, but Paul laid hands on them to seal them with the Holy Spirit. This sealing refers to the sacrament of confirmation. *

*Eph. 1:13 - Paul writes that the baptized Ephesians were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, in reference to confirmation. *

*Eph. 4:30 - Paul says the Ephesians were sealed in the Holy Spirit of God, in reference to the sealing of confirmation. *

*Heb. 6:2 - Paul gives instruction to the Hebrews about the laying on of hands, in reference to confirmation, not ordination. The early Church laid hands upon the confirmand to administer the sacrament of confirmation. *

*Heb. 6:2 - this verse also refers to the cycle of life and its relationship to the sacraments - baptism, confirmation, death and judgment - which apply to all people. *

John 6:27 - Jesus says the Father has set His seal on Him. As the Father sets His seal on Jesus, so Jesus sets His seal on us on the sacrament of baptism, and later, in the sacrament of confirmation. Rev. 9:4 - the locusts could not harm those with the seal of God upon their foreheads. See also Rev. 14:1 and 22:4.

Confirmation at one time was always administered in childhood along with baptism and first communion. This practice continues in Eastern Catholic churches. The reason it was seperated was best briefly summed up on another forum:
Henry Karlson:
Historically, from what I understand, the situation went this way in the West:

Charlesmagne wanted to baptize pagans but not allow them to recieve communion until they had proper catechesis. He asked how this could be done. He was told to withold confirmation – because it is confirmation which gives the right to the rest of the sacraments.

When this happened, baptism and confirmation became separate events. Through history, confirmation was pushed back, and with it, first communion in the West.

Go forward several centuries. Pope St Pius X notes that children used to recieve communion. He establishes an earlier age of reception, but the reason why they no longer recieved it had been somewhat forgotten. So they started to recieve without confirmation. This abnormal practice, which has lasted for nearly a century, now is seen as the “norm” by many Roman Catholics. But within theological circles, it is being understood as a mistake, and work is being done to reverse this problem and bring the proper order of the sacraments back.
If she understands the importance and has a genuine desire to be confirmed but is unable to participate in the prescribed classes, it would seem that a) other arrangements need to be made to accommodate her and b) she has a fear that is obstructing her day-to-day life that would need to separately be addressed.
 
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michael_e:
Apologies if this is thread drift. My 13-yr old daughter doesn’t want to get confirmed either, but not because she disagrees with the Church or the importance of the sacrament. She is a very shy and sensitive girl, newly entered into teenage-hood with all its doubts and sensitivities. The reason she doesn’t want to be confirmed is that she dislikes classroom situations - she gets picked on a lot at school. I tell her that our parish’s Confirmation classes are very small (less than a dozen candidates per class) so it won’t be like school (20+ kids to one teacher who seems to keep his back turned a lot). She is still apprehensive. She was eligible to join the confirmation class this year, but declined, so I have been home-schooling her with materials from the “Faith First”’ program in order to help her continue her faith journey and to prep her, hopefully, for formal confirmation class next year. She has some tough questions that I need help answewring so that she’ll see the importance and necessity of being confirmed.
  1. Can she still be a good Catholic without being confirmed, or will she be a “bad” Catholic?
  2. She wants to know if she’ll go to hell if not confirmed.
Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

Mike
Parents are responsible for the Catechesis of their children. Preparing her for Confirmation at home is more than acceptable it is really the norm in the Catholic Church. You should speak with the pastor and if necessary get the Bishop involved, he is the ordinary minister of Confirmation. Every diocese has optional parental sacramental preparation. Most just don’t like to advertise it. You may be required to follow a certain outline or use certain materials. (not always the best) but you can always use others in addition. The young person then when ready requests the Sacrament from the Bishop and the Sponsor also sends a letter to the Bishop. Your daughter should have a Sponsor who is working with her from this point on in addition to you as the parent.
 
michael_e said:
1. Can she still be a good Catholic without being confirmed, or will she be a “bad” Catholic?
2. She wants to know if she’ll go to hell if not confirmed.

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

Mike

Confirmation completes baptism and strenghtens the gifts of the Holy Spirit received at baptism. No, she will not go to hell if she is not confirmed. However, in deciding not to answer the call of her bishop for full initiation in the Catholic Church she is actually rejecting her baptism and her faith, although that is not taught very much. In a practical sense, yes she can marry in the Church, although the priest preparing the couple for marriage is justified in considering why someone would consider the demands of the marriage vocation without asking for full membership in the Church and the guidance of the Holy Spirit through Confirmation.
She may not serve as a godparent or confirmation sponsor, may not be a catechist, reader, extraordinary minister of holy communion or other service to the teaching or liturgical work of the Church. She is Christian and Catholic through her baptism, but is electing not to complete her baptism if she withdraws.

that being said, a classroom with other teens is not the only model for preparation for the sacrament. homeschooling is an option, especially for families homeschooling academically. That would probably involve some testing, interview, progress reports ect. in cooperation with the DRE or confirmation coordinator or pastor.

We have a few kids homeschooling every year for sacraments for various reasons, and as long as I am assured that they have been adequately prepared, according to our bishop’s guidelines (because I am required to attest this to the bishop), there is not problem with the candidate being confirmed with the rest of the group. However, in the majority of cases where an alternative is requested the parents fail to keep appointments, attend parent meetings, bring the candidate for interviews and retreats, account for service, and meet even the minimum requirements. I will bend over backward to accommodate special needs, but it requires commitment and followthrough by the parents, sponsor and candidate.

I also agree with previous poster that a child with such extreme shyness and aversion to classroom settings should be evaluated and counselled if necessary. Also the situation in school involving bullying should be addressed and corrected. Parents to a grave disservice to children when they ignore such problems. The interaction and small group activities and forming a community in the confirmation class is part of the preparation, and she will be missing out if she has no such experiences. Our Church is a community, not a gathering of individuals each following their own path without regard for each other.
 
When I was confirmed…4 years ago? I think so. Anyway, I was totally firm in my faith…so firm in my faith that I don’t think it meant as much to me. It was “going through the motions” or just going the next step. The next year I lost my faith, and it has taken me until this summer to get it back. I’ve been on Confirmation team for two years now, and now I think about how much I wish I could go through Confirmation again after having this experience of loss of faith because I know that Confirmation would mean so much more to me now than it did then.
With your daughter, I would say that it may be a similar case. If she receives Confirmation now when her heart really isn’t in it, it won’t mean anything to her…and then, hopefully when the day comes that she is suddenly renewed and energized about her faith, the day she returns to Christ and the Church and the faith, she will have already used up that powerful experience.
I would say that the worst thing you could let her do is stop going to church…the longer you go without God, the easier it gets to ignore or deny Him. At least make sure that she is in the place where she can experience God in His fullest, and He can work with her to bring her back to her faith. Having her go to church will surround her with people of strong faiths, hopefully people who will help influence her and bring her back to the church…if you let her go without church, the only people she’ll meet are the people who have also fallen away…not good support if you want her to come back.
But while having her go to church, make sure that it is truly the right time for her to recieve Confirmation…she has to be ready for it, she has to want it, she has to know the power behind it. Otherwise, she may have a good experience rather than an amazing experience. Confirmation is a powerful, powerful sacrament, but only if your heart and your mind are fully there…there is no “sort of”.
 
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YinYangMom:
Then I listened. I had him share with me the issues he was facing. I didn’t interrupt. I didn’t tell him his position was wrong. I didn’t try to explain the ‘real’ church position.
Finally.

I was starting to lose faith in parents in general, to the point where I was scared to ever become one. (Although I am only 16 and have some time yet before I make any serious decisions.)

Yes, yes, this is exactly what teenagers need. LISTEN!!

If your teenager asks for help with math homework, do not say “thank you.”

If you do not listen to your teenagers, you should not wonder why they don’t listen to you.

Thank you, YinYangMom.

(side note: check that out; I split an infinitive, too.)
 
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Chortle:
My fourteen year-old daughter is considering whether to be confirmed or not. Part of her doesn’t want to be confirmed because she disagrees with many of the teachings of the Catholic Church. She even stopped going to Mass about eight months ago because of her disagreements with the Church. On the other hand, she thinks that she may want to be confirmed because other kids her age are going to be. She feels that she will miss out on the opportunity to be confirmed if she decides to wait until she agrees with Church teachings. Can anyone offer her some advise? Thank you.
This brings up another point–should we lower the age of confirmation? I keep hearing stories of teenagers who have already lost their faith and don’t want to be confirmed. I thought the Sacrament of Confirmation is meant to help prevent this from happening in the first place, since Confirmation is the strengthening and completion of baptismal grace and makes us soldiers of Jesus. I think we have taken on the Protestant concept of confirmation, that is, it is just a sort of reaffirming of our faith and maybe that is why these problems with teenagers not wanting to be confirmed occur.
What would you all think of lowering the age of confirmation to about seven, perhaps having confirmations and first communions at the same time, or even having confirmations before first communion?
 
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