Confiteor in the New Mass

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ProVobis said:
It’s possible. The underlying theology and doctrine (in Latin) remain the same for all Catholics. How they are expressed in different languages and different translations is another matter. But I’m sure you knew that.
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It’s my understanding that the English translation is the only one that is about to change, and that the change has already been made in, I’ll say European Languages, I don’t know about other world languages. My point being, people are calling foul before they understand the new text. New Text??? I have a
St. Andrew Daily Missal with a copyright of 1949, the line just prior to mea culpa reads;" I have sinned exceedingly in thought, word and deed" so the " I have greatly sinned" is a pretty good match to what the church was saying in 1949 and actually to the early church.
We all have a lifetime of failing our Lord and I don’t think it will hurt any of us to remind ourselves of that fact. You need to remember we have a lifetime of temporal punishment that we need to atone for.
It never ceases to amaze me how few people are left in the pews and not going to Holy Communion, I’m not judging but we seem to have very very holy people in the Catholic Church right now. Maybe, Just maybe they haven’t been Criticized well enough to understand the consequences of their actions, that unless they go to confession (Reconciliation is too soft a word) to confess their failings they can’t receive our Lord in Holy Communion.
I’m not young anymore and I’m in a different place than I was, say in my 20s. Death was a long long way off, but now my focus is on that place HE has for me.
 
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fall fox

It’s my understanding that the English translation is the only one that is about to change, and that the change has already been made in, I’ll say European Languages, I don’t know about other world languages.
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I don’t know about other languages but, even though the French Roman Missal was always closer to the Latin than the English one, the French are working on a new translation because it is a new edition and there are some changes, slight though they may be. There are new saints and , IIRC, the dismissal is slightly different.
 
Phemie said:
They are two separate parts of the Confiteor.

*“I confess to almighty God
and to you, my brothers and sisters,
that I have **greatly ***sinned,
in my thoughts and in my words,
in what I have done and in what I have failed to do,
through my fault, through my fault,
through my most grievous fault;”
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Here’s the original English form of the Confiteor.

I CONFESS to almighty God, to blessed Mary ever Virgin, to blessed Michael the Archangel, to blessed John the Baptist, to the holy apostles Peter and Paul, and to all the saints that I have sinned exceedingly in thought, word, and deed, through my fault, through my fault, through my most grievous fault. Therefore, I beseech blessed Mary ever Virgin, blessed Michael the Archangel, blessed John the Baptist, the holy apostles Peter and Paul, and all the saints, to pray for me to the Lord our God. Amen.

How the shortened form of Brothers and Sisters got to be part of it I’ll never know.
 
FWIW, there is also a “confiteor” in the Creed, which translated as “acknowledge” in the current version, is being changed to “confess” in the new translation. Some of the older handmissals had “acknowledge” as well, btw, not that they were wrong but many of the translations in the handmissals were/are inconsistent.
 
centurionguard said:
Here’s the original English form of the Confiteor.

I CONFESS to almighty God, to blessed Mary ever Virgin, to blessed Michael the Archangel, to blessed John the Baptist, to the holy apostles Peter and Paul, and to all the saints that I have sinned exceedingly in thought, word, and deed, through my fault, through my fault, through my most grievous fault. Therefore, I beseech blessed Mary ever Virgin, blessed Michael the Archangel, blessed John the Baptist, the holy apostles Peter and Paul, and all the saints, to pray for me to the Lord our God. Amen.

How the shortened form of Brothers and Sisters got to be part of it I’ll never know.
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I don’t know but a slight correction. You left out the et vobis fratres…et vos fratres in the priest’s confiteor and the et tibi Pater…et te Pater in the server’s confiteor. Inter alia the priest confesses to the congregation and the congregation theoretically confesses to the priest. (There were two forms in the older version.)
 
tlnd said:
If someone has committed grave sin, they must go to a Rite of Reconcilliation before they can receive the Eucharist. This change in the Mass appears to indicate a change in doctrine.
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That’s what the church has always taught. It is NOT a change of doctrine. The text of the mass has changed, but the basic teaching about needing to be in a state of grace to receive Holy Communion has not.

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KCT said:
I think it means in general we have greatly sinned. I don’t think it’s referring to the state of a soul at that moment.
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Ah, here’s what I"m looking for. I think there’s some confusion going on here.
  1. The confiteor is a statement of recognition that were are all human and have each sinned against God at one time or another. It doesn’t say and shouldn’t be taken to mean that a person necessarily has mortal sins on their soul at that minute if they say it. If a person has just come out of confession and they don’t have mortal sins on their soul because they’ve been forgiven, of course they are not lying if they say the confiteor.
  2. But if a person does have mortal sins on their soul, they shouldn’t go to Holy Communion until they go to confession first. The Church has always taught this.
I hope that clears up the confusion.

mc
 
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