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I’d never volunteered before, but for about 3 years I have. It’s been mostly in the spirit of sacrifice and self-giving, but ever since we got an associate pastor he’s come down on me and treated me so badly I’m a bit scandalized.

I’m having difficulty dealing with being hurt by a priest, a person through whom I receive sacraments. It’s like being hurt by a dear family member.

What should I do in order to protect my faith? I won’t even share this with my wife for fear of she prefering to change parishes.

TIA
 
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Augustine:
I’d never volunteered before, but for about 3 years I have. It’s been mostly in the spirit of sacrifice and self-giving, but ever since we got an associate pastor he’s come down on me and treated me so badly I’m a bit scandalized.

I’m having difficulty dealing with being hurt by a priest, a person through whom I receive sacraments. It’s like being hurt by a dear family member.

What should I do in order to protect my faith? I won’t even share this with my wife for fear of she prefering to change parishes.

TIA
You’ve got to be nourished. If you cannot do that in your current parish, you might just need to move. When my home parish is not nourishing me as much as it should, I don’t leave, but I do attend the Divine Liturgy at an Eastern parish in addition to the Mass at my home parish. That usually does the trick – at least for me.

I’m not sure what your parochial vicar did, but maybe you need to talk to him and/or your pastor about it? If it’s really bad and they are unwilling to talk, maybe you need to contact the bishop’s office? The ultimate of course is being able to offer it all up to God.

Good luck.
 
I know what you are talking about. I have been prayed for publically during Mass by a Priest, who dislikes me immensely, for being a hypocrite. He also prayed again during Holy Mass, that the Bishop would have a good sense of humour when I approached him with concerns. It hurt deeply.

My advice to you?

Fear nothing. Stay on the side of right. You are not working for yourself and you are not working for the Priest. you are working for Christ. St Peter puts us straight in this lesson when we begin to fear the reproaches of those in authority.

He states in 1 Pt 3:13-17

And who is he that can hurt you, if you be zealous of good? 14 But if also you suffer any thing for justice’ sake, blessed are ye. And be not afraid of their fear, and be not troubled. 15 But sanctify the Lord Christ in your hearts, being ready always to satisfy every one that asketh you a reason of that hope which is in you. 16 But with modesty and fear, having a good conscience: that whereas they speak evil of you, they may be ashamed who falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ. 17 For it is better doing well (if such be the will of God) to suffer, than doing ill.

This passage has helped me to maintain my zeal in times of adversity. Ponder it well my friend and ask God to guide you through the action of His Holy Spirit.
 
Lots of luck. A few days ago I ran across something in the Bible or elsewhere that the sin of pride is the greatest sin.

I’m 90% certain that you must have done something to alienate this priest. I suspect that from personal experience.

I put myself in a similar situation with a priest whose vanity and the ethnicity that he claimed (he was half this and half that, but “all” the first) simply could not deal with someone like me who does not pander to priests, to begin with. And, I don’t pander to people with pride and arrogance.

When the African missionaries came in on mission sunday, he would comment that he could never go to Africa, unless he had the option of staying in a four-star Holiday Inn.

He would joke about his preparations for his own funeral. He had discovered that he would expend the entire diocesan allotment on the orchestra, alone.

One Sunday I was one of two lectors scheduled for morning Mass. As Father was vesting, the other lector mentioned to me that the only reason he was there was for his reading. Otherwise, he was attending another Mass with his family. I suggested that he might leave church discretely after his reading. The priest scowled and snapped at me that I was “arguing”.

This pastor routinely wore eyeglasses. But, the parish wastefully (in my opinion) produced a video to publicize the start of a building fund campaign. This priest did not appear in one scene with eyeglasses. Never before or after did I see that priest without eyeglasses. I think it was his vanity.

After the Church had set up the Sunday scripture readings in three cycles, and, after he had gone through the cycles a couple times, he (with his Ph.D. in theology) said that he couldn’t think of anything else to talk about in his homilies.

He would come into Wednesday night scripture study and kill 20 minutes of the hour talking in a monologue about the stresses of the high school classes he taught.

He had quite a cultic following, as evidenced by the fact that when he was absent from the scripture study, most of the group would not show up for the scripture discussion, alone.

And, he would cut the scripture study short to ensure that he wouldn’t miss a moment of “E.R.” which was his favorite show.

But, too cheap to rent a locker at the local gym, he folded and stored his street trousers on the floor in the corner of the gym. He discovered later that someone had stolen them. Odd to me that someone so smart could be so…

I hope I have not blasphemed to conclude that it was the hand of God humbling him.

A lot of priests I know “fill the room” when they enter. No one can say a word while they are there.
 
Lots of luck. A few days ago I ran across something in the Bible or elsewhere that the sin of pride is the greatest sin.
And I’m a proud sinner, one of the worst.
  • I’m 90% certain that you must have done something to alienate this priest. I suspect that from personal experience.*
    Actually, I’ve been bearing his frustration and lack of tact for a while. I considered this an exercise in humility, an opportunity to grow smaller. Yes, I may have contributed to this somehow, but I had never witnessed a preist yelling at the staff before either.
I’m ashamed to say that I am hurt, because I’ve met many jerks in my personal and professional life without being affect much by them. Except I didn’t receive sacraments through any of them.

It hurt as a child would feel if hurt by his father, which in a way was exactly what happened. But I’m almost 40, a big boy, yet my lips trembled afterwards. :confused:

Then I started thinking about St. Teresa, how she too had issues with superiors, but bore everything in spirit of humility. Much like St. Therese, who always smiled at and loved those who she disliked.

I can only imagine the pain that those abused sexually by priests went through…

:blessyou:
 
AltarMan said:
You’ve got to be nourished. If you cannot do that in your current parish, you might just need to move.

It is nourishing, but I’m not sure how I’ll react if I happen to go to a Mass that he’s celebrating… Usually the Mass I attend is presided by the pastor.

If he acts in a disrespectful and inapproprate manner with me again, I’ll take it to the pastor. Then he decides what, if anything, to do with him.

I’ll probably scale down my involvement in the ministry and phase it out in a couple of months.

Now I know why Amy Welborn asked in her blog whether people lose their faith working in sacristies and chanceries…
 
Are you able to approach this associate privately and ask him why he seems to have such difficulty with you? I imagine that would be an extremely difficult thing to do, but it might help.

Fergal, God love you for being able to stand up to the abuse you received.
 
Detroit Sue:
Are you able to approach this associate privately and ask him why he seems to have such difficulty with you? I imagine that would be an extremely difficult thing to do, but it might help.
I did and he apologized and so did I, but I’m still a bit confused emotionally.

I’m not a weenie, and that’s probably part of my confusion. I’m quite surprised at my reaction and having a hard time dealing with it. And I’m not a “warm and fuzzy feelings” guy either.

I’ve kept a distance from church politics in the media and I think that I should also keep a distance from the administrative part of the church too, down to the parish level.

I’m thinking about quitting my ministry and trying to find one in the parish that’s as dettached from its administrative aspects as possible. If that’s not possible, I might embrace a ministry outside the parish and perhaps even a secular ministry. At least, the failings I see wouldn’t affect my relationship with the grooms of the Church.

I thank y’all for your patience with my rumblings.

:blessyou:
 
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Augustine:
I’ve kept a distance from church politics in the media and I think that I should also keep a distance from the administrative part of the church too, down to the parish level.

I’m thinking about quitting my ministry and trying to find one in the parish that’s as dettached from its administrative aspects as possible. If that’s not possible, I might embrace a ministry outside the parish and perhaps even a secular ministry. At least, the failings I see wouldn’t affect my relationship with the grooms of the Church.
Dear Augustine,

I know where you’re coming from. Once upon a time, I enthusiastically called up the vocations director for my diocese to let her know I was interested in discerning a call to become a contemplative sister. The vocations director, a nun, immediately threw cold water in my direction, saying, “Oh, well I hope you don’t have any romantic notions that being a nun is being a bride of Christ. It’s really only living your baptism more fully.” Too shocked to argue with a nun, I hung up without comment. When your faith is attacked like that even before you set one foot in the convent, it’s not a good sign.

Having recently joined a new parish and started trying to discern which ministry or ministries to become involved in, I’ve quickly reached the same conclusions as you. God has in fact led me first of all to a ministry outside the parish called Soldiers’ Angels, where you adopt a US soldier on active duty in places like Iraq, ideally sending your soldier one letter or card a week and one CARE package a month. I’m also considering an outreach ministry where I’d be dealing far more with ordinary parishioners than I would be with anyone in administration.

God bless you on your quest, Augustine, and may your guardian angel lead you where you’re meant to be.

:blessyou:

~~ the phoenix
 
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BayCityRickL:
This pastor routinely wore eyeglasses. But, the parish wastefully (in my opinion) produced a video to publicize the start of a building fund campaign. This priest did not appear in one scene with eyeglasses. Never before or after did I see that priest without eyeglasses.
Huh. I had so much trouble with photography and my glasses. They always made me have my chin drawn unnaturally down, almost touching my neck. I can easily believe that he either couldn’t tolerate that for the length of an entire video, or, more likely, he was told to remove them completely, to handily avoid any issue like that.

Just a possible alternative.:twocents:
 
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Augustine:
… I may have contributed to this somehow, but I had never witnessed a preist yelling at the staff before either.
There was a priest at a nearby parish who – singly —preferred to wear one of those headset microphones, you know the kind that has the arm that curves around his face to put the mike right in front of mouth.

He had quite a temper. One Sunday the full accompaniment of Eucharistic ministers were sauntering up to the altar for the Communion Rite. Someone missed a cue and that was IT – the priest stomped over to the side table with LONG strides of his legs to bring the tray of glass communion cups over. You just NEVER KNOW when a priest is going to go off.

I must admit that sort of thing does not happen often.

But, as the original poster suggested, some priests seem to paint a label on people and it never comes off.
 
It is my feeling that problems such as those encountered by people posting in this thread might result, in the larger sense, from a common misinterpretation of Vatican II.

Vatican II told us that lay people are not second class citizens when it comes to holiness. Priests and religious are not automatically more holy than lay people. What the documents really tell us is that the lay vocation is as valuable as the priestly or religious vocation, and lay people are called to sanctify the secular world through their work and prayer and good example.

The common (and I believe wrong) interpretation, however, has been that lay people should participate in the business of ministry alongside the priests and religious. All of a sudden, lay people began to perform liturgical ministries and take charge of areas of parish work traditionally headed by priests and religious. It was as if the “holier” work was now open to be done by lay people. The problem is, there is no “holier” work. It’s all holy, and the division of labor is not a ranking.

It is this mixing of roles that I believe has led to widespread unhappiness among priests and religious, as well as a decline in vocations. Of course, they can’t say that the lay people are stepping on their toes, and they may not even realize it, having been so thoroughly grounded in the idea that lay people should be doing religious stuff. But the fact is, we are stepping on their toes (making some of them act like jerks, as some have encountered), when we should be out there influencing medicine and politics and the arts and fashion and journalism and labor relations and economics and every other aspect of secular society.

Betsy
 
at another parish where we lived briefly, we and several other couples involved in a certain ministry went through a similar experience when we got a new pastor. It was one of the most difficult times in our life, and had the potential to split the parish and do real damage if we allowed it to. He had already got people’s backs up in other areas.

We got together, resolved to publicly support our new pastor in all things except in one area that was an issue of conscience. We also made a special appointment with the bishop to assure him of our loyalty and support for our pastor and to assure him we were not part of an effort to have him “impeached” (which was launched by other unhappy souls in the parish).

a couple of years later the stance of our group was vindicated by events, and by the bishop’s ruling in the matter. the priest since apologized to the members who stayed in the parish, and has since found them to be some of his most trustworthy, supportive parishioners.

such times are real trials and a chance for real redemptive suffering and immense spiritual growth. I cannot stress enough the need to publicly always speak well of the priest, and not to discuss this with others who are not in a position to help or judge. You especially want to avoid the appearance of a concerted attack on the bishop to have the priest removed (unless of course there is real illegality or wrongdoing). It it is a matter of a difference of opinion, it shows real class to let the unpleasant actions be one-sided and not to join in the rancor.

by the way, be being firmly but lovingly supportive of the original moral issue that was at stake, we had the chance to be a real witness to others, and some real change of heart and conversion by several people was the end result. The ministry in question has grown to be a wonderful, influential, evangelizing outreach in that diocese.
 
:clapping: Dear Annie,

1 Cor. 11:19: For there must be also factions: that they who are approved, may be made manifest among you.

Very encouraging post!

Carole
 
So, we are not talking about those priests that are severly dehydrated?:whistle:

I, too share an experience where I was scandalized in my parish by the RE director and the priest. I was so mortified that I completely dropped out of all participation in the church. Prior, I was an eager volunteer who was privileged to participate in many ways.

This was devastating for me. I was able to eventually confront the situation and discuss the issue with the other two people involved. Unfortunately I received rhetoric, dissmissal, patronizing invalidation, and denial. So, there has been no resolution. And, as consequence, I am very ambivalent about Catholicism, the Church, and humanity. Ambivalent heck! I am discouraged, hurt and bitter.

Regardless of what happens after this, my relationship with the Church and the faith has been permanently changed. My regard for this priest and this layperson permanently colored. The stain of which interferes with my ability to trust most of the people of my parish.
 
Oh dear, I have seen this also, having lived a fairly long time. There are always wheat and weeds, Peter and Judas. But it is so demoralizing sometimes. I have wandered off from the Church and back, and back is still better.

BTW, had to stop laughing long enough to write this after reading your opening line…
 
Augustine:

You never said what you might have done to make this Priest come down on you, if anything.

You did say that you two talked about it and both apologized. That’s an awsome start. If you’re still feeling bad about it, go back and talk to him more. Make an appointment if necessary. You might be surprised. Priest are people too. They have shortcommings and trials like us. How many times have we had a problem with a friend, only to have the problems strengthen our relationship. Why not give the Priest the same chance. If nothing else, you can come away knowing you tried your best.

Also, I wouldn’t quit just yet. Have you considered that this my be a trial of your own? Could you be walking away from a test of faith? God will not hand you anything you cannot handle. He has already given you what you need to deal with this problem. Pray about it, take a deep breath, and be the big boy you said you are. 😃
 
Words of wisdom that all suffering the martyrdom of criticism should take solace in.

“A prophet is not without honor except in his native place and in his own home”. Matt 13:57
 
I have also been on the other end, with the unpleasant duty of suggesting to a volunteer that he has served long enough in a ministry and it is time to move on for the good of the parish. Or that someone doing multiple ministries needs to choose one and commit to it, rather than trying to do several, and not being able to meet commitments. Or that someone who is teaching CCD and deviating from Orthodox Catholic teaching must either change or leave. There are harsh and there are kind ways to do this, but in my experience it becomes an issue leading to division and rancor only when either party publicizes the situation and invites commentary and reaction from others.
 
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coyote:
Regardless of what happens after this, my relationship with the Church and the faith has been permanently changed. My regard for this priest and this layperson permanently colored. The stain of which interferes with my ability to trust most of the people of my parish.
Coyote, I am so sorry! Share about it if you like.🙂
 
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