Conflict

[anamchara]

Anyone seen this movie? amazon.com/Conflict-Trevor-Howard/dp/1896306292

It’s pretty old Martin Sheen looks like a baby in it I love him! anyway I just saw it a few days ago and I think traditionalists would really appreciate it. It’s set in Ireland and really points out the struggles many had with the changes after Vatican II. Although I think it went a bit to far with the so called “modern” priest but perhaps at the time they were like the character Martin Sheen plays.

To be honest the movie opened my eyes a bit to the suffering some of the faithful experienced with the changes.

Anyway, if anyone else has seen it post and tell me what you think I had a question about a comment made in the movie so hopefully someone as seen it. I know it’s an old movie, the score was awful in my opinion.

EDIT: adding Plot Synopsis:" In the near future, the Catholic church has joined with other western religions in an ecumenical movement that has washed out much of the original message of the religion. A group of Irish monks have begun saying the mass again in Latin and have begun to have an international following. Martin Sheen is sent from Rome to bring them to task and they must confront what is truly essential in their worship and what is not."

 

[CatQuilt]

It looks good, depressing, but good…

 

[anamchara]

It looks good, depressing, but good…

You end up feeling so sorry for a few of the monks. It completely breaks their hearts in two.

The movie made me reflect on the idea of another movie I wish someone would make about Vatican II and how the whole thing came about. I know there’s probably some decent books on the subject but a good movie fairly representing both sides of the conflict would be great.

It’s funny the things they debated in this film about is going on right in this forum, but like 40 yrs later…we are still debating about this.

 

[historyb]

Does anyone know of a trailer for it, can’t seem to find one.

 

[Missa_Solemnis]

Does anyone know of a trailer for it, can’t seem to find one.

I was hoping for a trailer of some sorts too.

 

[brotherhrolf]

I haven’t seen it or heard of it. But it could describe me. I wasn’t happy with the change. For far too many it is an over and done with scenario.

But I remember HMC before Vatican II. It is the church in which I grew up. Who speaks for us?

 

[paramedicgirl]

You end up feeling so sorry for a few of the monks. It completely breaks their hearts in two.

The movie made me reflect on the idea of another movie I wish someone would make about Vatican II and how the whole thing came about. I know there’s probably some decent books on the subject but a good movie fairly representing both sides of the conflict would be great.

It’s funny the things they debated in this film about is going on right in this forum, but like 40 yrs later…we are still debating about this.

Yeah, it’s like a time warp, all right. Fourty years of wandering around the desert trying to find our way to the promised land.

 

[anamchara]

I haven’t seen it or heard of it. But it could describe me. I wasn’t happy with the change. For far too many it is an over and done with scenario.

But I remember HMC before Vatican II. It is the church in which I grew up. Who speaks for us?

Sorry guys I don’t know about a trailer either. I’ll see if I can find one.

Brother, there was something interesting said in the film which took me by surprise. The “modern” young priest played by Martin Sheen, makes the comment to this monk that “God is not in the Eucharist but everywhere” he was basically telling this monk that the belief in the Real Presence was over. Now I know many changes were made but that one through me out of my chair, I don’t ever remember learning that this was part of the changes.

What do you think? Or anyone who really knows about Vatician II? I meant to ask our priest this after the movie as he is the one who showed to us.

 

[anamchara]

Yeah, it’s like a time warp, all right. Fourty years of wandering around the desert trying to find our way to the promised land.

Well hopefully the Pope will allow Latin Mass without a Bishops approval and this will free things up for you guys

The movie is cheap to buy, it might be worth it to see.

 

[paramedicgirl]

Well hopefully the Pope will allow Latin Mass without a Bishops approval and this will free things up for you guys

The movie is cheap to buy, it might be worth it to see.

I seldom watch movies, but I think I will look for this one. Thanks, ana.

 

[Strummer]

After a bit of research on this film I found out a couple of very important points to keep in mind whilst viewing it…

1. 
   *]It was made for TV in the 1970’s under the title “Catholics: a Fable” based upon a book by the same name
   *]It originally ran about 98 minutes but the VHS and subsequest DVD versions are only 73 minutes long
   *]The original opening scene is missing which would have made clear that this movie was set in “the future of 1999” and reference was made to “Vatican IV” which implies a “Vatican III”.
   
   So, the denial of the Real Presence (and another reference to the abolishment of private confessions) are not, were not, a result of VII, but part of this movie’s fantasy “future world” set up for the purpose of creating dramatic conflict.
   
   I, too, wish for a more legitimate examination of the Second Vatican Council and its effects upon the Catholic faithful of the time and beyond. Unfortunately, I suspect that no such work could be created for another 50 or so years.

 

[Missa_Solemnis]

Sorry guys I don’t know about a trailer either. I’ll see if I can find one.

Brother, there was something interesting said in the film which took me by surprise. The “modern” young priest played by Martin Sheen, makes the comment to this monk that “God is not in the Eucharist but everywhere” he was basically telling this monk that the belief in the Real Presence was over. Now I know many changes were made but that one through me out of my chair, I don’t ever remember learning that this was part of the changes.

What do you think? Or anyone who really knows about Vatician II? I meant to ask our priest this after the movie as he is the one who showed to us.

A visitng NO priest at the Cathedral of our diocese told people that he was very upset with all this talk about wether or not we should recieve kneeling or standing.

He said “We revere the bread as the Body of Christ but we need to stop acting like the Mass is a Jesus buffet”

Whats sad is that up until then…his Mass was liturgically perfect. No abuses, lots of reverence…a EWTN style Novus Ordo.

Then the modernism sunk in at those words…

God Bless the FSSP and proper seminary training.

:bowdown: → Our Lady of Guadalupe Seminary in Denton

 

[anamchara]

I seldom watch movies, but I think I will look for this one. Thanks, ana.

No problem paramed, make sure you read what strummer wrote apparently part of the movie is missing so that’s why the odd stuff about the Real Presence was in it. I’d like to have a copy that has the whole movie.

 

[brotherhrolf]

Sorry guys I don’t know about a trailer either. I’ll see if I can find one.

Brother, there was something interesting said in the film which took me by surprise. The “modern” young priest played by Martin Sheen, makes the comment to this monk that “God is not in the Eucharist but everywhere” he was basically telling this monk that the belief in the Real Presence was over. Now I know many changes were made but that one through me out of my chair, I don’t ever remember learning that this was part of the changes.

What do you think? Or anyone who really knows about Vatician II? I meant to ask our priest this after the movie as he is the one who showed to us.

I was in Catholic high school just after V 2. This was not taught that I recall. And I don’t recall either of my two sons (also attended Catholic high school) ever questioning the Real Presence.

 

[brotherhrolf]

A visitng NO priest at the Cathedral of our diocese told people that he was very upset with all this talk about wether or not we should recieve kneeling or standing.

He said “We revere the bread as the Body of Christ but we need to stop acting like the Mass is a Jesus buffet”

Whats sad is that up until then…his Mass was liturgically perfect. No abuses, lots of reverence…a EWTN style Novus Ordo.

Then the modernism sunk in at those words…

God Bless the FSSP and proper seminary training.

:bowdown: → Our Lady of Guadalupe Seminary in Denton

What a difference! “We revere the bread as the Body of Christ”? This is probably one of the most profound differences between those of us who grew up with the TLM and those of the NO. The Real Presence is just that. It is why I receive Communion only on the tongue. It is why altar boys had the paten. It is why Father has to stop people from bending down to pick up the host after it has fallen from someone receiving in the hand.

 

[SnorterLuster]

I thought I had seen this movie at the Dollar Tree store, so I just went & checked. Sure enough, there is was for $1.00. It has a different case and this one has 77 minutes of movie. I’m looking forward to watching it.

 

[anamchara]

I thought I had seen this movie at the Dollar Tree store, so I just went & checked. Sure enough, there is was for $1.00. It has a different case and this one has 77 minutes of movie. I’m looking forward to watching it.

Snoter, make you sure read Strummers post, apparently there is a part missing with that copy:

After a bit of research on this film I found out a couple of very important points to keep in mind whilst viewing it…

1. It was made for TV in the 1970’s under the title “Catholics: a Fable” based upon a book by the same name
2. It originally ran about 98 minutes but the VHS and subsequest DVD versions are only 73 minutes long
3. The original opening scene is missing which would have made clear that this movie was set in “the future of 1999” and reference was made to “Vatican IV” which implies a “Vatican III”.

So, the denial of the Real Presence (and another reference to the abolishment of private confessions) are not, were not, a result of VII, but part of this movie’s fantasy “future world” set up for the purpose of creating dramatic conflict.

I, too, wish for a more legitimate examination of the Second Vatican Council and its effects upon the Catholic faithful of the time and beyond. Unfortunately, I suspect that no such work could be created for another 50 or so years.

I hope you enjoy it though, let me know what you thought!

 

[anamchara]

I was in Catholic high school just after V 2. This was not taught that I recall. And I don’t recall either of my two sons (also attended Catholic high school) ever questioning the Real Presence.

Thanks for the reply brother, apparently I misunderstood…make you read “Strummers” post

After a bit of research on this film I found out a couple of very important points to keep in mind whilst viewing it…

1. It was made for TV in the 1970’s under the title “Catholics: a Fable” based upon a book by the same name
2. It originally ran about 98 minutes but the VHS and subsequest DVD versions are only 73 minutes long
3. The original opening scene is missing which would have made clear that this movie was set in “the future of 1999” and reference was made to “Vatican IV” which implies a “Vatican III”.

So, the denial of the Real Presence (and another reference to the abolishment of private confessions) are not, were not, a result of VII, but part of this movie’s fantasy “future world” set up for the purpose of creating dramatic conflict.

I, too, wish for a more legitimate examination of the Second Vatican Council and its effects upon the Catholic faithful of the time and beyond. Unfortunately, I suspect that no such work could be created for another 50 or so years.

 

[netmilsmom]

imdb.com/title/tt0069857/

 

[CatQuilt]

It is why Father has to stop people from bending down to pick up the host after it has fallen from someone receiving in the hand.

If a host falls, we should pick it up and give it to a priest? Otherwise, we’d be self-???, what’s the word?