True. In all my years as a LDS, I never saw any Mormon wash himself with Jack Daniels or dose his cattle with Lucky Strikes.I’m more curious about the part where it says to use tobacco on bruises and all sick cattle, as well as using “strong drinks” (alcohol) to wash the body.
When I as a teenage mormon, my mormon friends participated in the fad of washing hair with beer.True. In all my years as a LDS, I never saw any Mormon wash himself with Jack Daniels or dose his cattle with Lucky Strikes.
Sounds like a waste of perfectly good beer! I wonder how much of the beer accidentally got in their mouths?
Tweedle_Dee-I’ve been conflicted for a very long time and I feel I need to figure this out. I’ve gradually drifted away from Mormonism (although I go to church with my wife every Sunday) but not sure where the truth lies. I see a lot of problems with Mormonism said:Mt. 11: 25-26 “At that time Jesus declared, "I thank thee, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hidden these things from the wise and understanding and revealed them to babes; yea, Father, for such was thy gracious will. All things have been delivered to me by my Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and any one to whom the Son chooses to reveal him."
2nd. Cor.11: 12 “And what I do I will continue to do, in order to undermine the claim of those who would like to claim that in their boasted mission they work on the same terms as we do. 13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ.”
2 Cor. 4: 2 “We have renounced disgraceful, underhanded ways; we refuse to practice cunning or to tamper with God’s word, but by the open statement of the truth we would commend ourselves to every man’s conscience in the sight of God. 3 And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled only to those who are perishing.
***Mr. Smith, like Luther, Calvin and others before him, simply refused the graces offered to him for his own salvation. As a result God “heardened his heart, and darkened his mind.”
This is far more common than one might expect. In a period of only 400 years there are now in excess of 30,000 different Protestant religions, each claiming “the truth.” And yet the Catholic Church [historically proveable] was the One Church founded by Christ, and has served Jesus for some 2,000 consecutative years under an unbrokem line of Popes, Benedict being # 265.
Further the Bible is a Catholic Book, the NT was written entirely by Catholics, and doctrines and dogma that go back 2,000 years are still in effect today
The most compelling reason though is that as you know, Mormons deny God [as a Diety] and Jesus as Lord [also a diety]. One cannot get to the after life denying the presence of God.
I’ll pray for you and the Mrs.
Love and prayers,
Pat
Some monks? Gee.
BTW, which monk was that who spoke with God? I never heard of that.
The requirement is that we keep our promises. Those people who didn’t make those covenants/promises are not held to them…else why do priests and nuns make a vow of chastity, but you, for instance, don’t have to?
Oh, lessee…because smoking gives you lung cancer, too much alcohol can get you in a lot of trouble (and even in moderation can kill you and others if you are stupid enough to drive)? Jesus said that all foods are clean…ritually.
I think you mean “vow of celibacy” (we are all expected to be chaste). The difference is that the vow of celibacy is truly voluntary. I am not denied full participation in the Catholic Church because I chose to marry instead of taking holy orders. I can choose.
Not at all. We are taught to do (or abstain from) some good thing on Friday as penance for sins and as a memorial of the savior’s passion. We can choose what that penance will be. The church has suggested abstaining from meat (in order to show solidarity with the poor and to discipline our bodies) but it is only one of several choices we can make.
I’ve thought about it a great deal. The difference is that Catholics can choose, Mormons cannot. Mormonism is all about controlling the members. Catholicism is about worshipping the Lord in freedom and joy.
I agree. The Church says that abstaining from meat on Fridays is one way of doing penance, however, if the Catholic can find another way to do so, they are able to do that. This makes sense since there are Catholics in countries and cultures that rarely eat meat, and therefore abstaining from meat wouldn’t make sense for them. So they do one of the many other ways of doing penance.
I agree. Even those “callings”. The bishop tells everyone what their job is in the ward. The Mormons go on about how their church is special because it’s completely run by the laity and it would fail without the people running the wards and branches and stakes, etc.(ignoring the fact that at least in Catholic parishes, it’s the laity that run Sunday School, sing in the choir or as a cantor, read from the Bible, are altar servers, ushers, tour guides, run various ministries, etc.), but all of what they do is based on a “revelation” from the bishop. Catholics choose to do what they do, Mormons, in those same positions, are volun-told what to do.
True. In all my years as a LDS, I never saw any Mormon wash himself with Jack Daniels or dose his cattle with Lucky Strikes.
So I’m guessing they just ignore the part of God’s revelation that says to wash the body in alcohol and put tobacco on bruises? Or maybe they just do it in private and don’t talk about it, just about the coffee, alcohol, etc…
He and his friends drank from one bottle of wine, which was shared among the four men in the room, two of the guards and the jailer.I didn’t know Joe had drunk that night, too.
He was shot while trying to escape from jail. It was the beer’s fault!
I sit corrected.
Really? Can a young novice who breaks that vow take his or her final vows without repenting? Can a priest or nun who breaks that vow continue on in his or her work without repenting?
Yes, you can. But if you choose to marry or not be celibate, you cannot be a priest. Which, of course, means that do do not have 'full participation," do you?
You are right about the Temple recommend. Not so right about the rest.
Sure. As soon as you perform a similar one. You take your wife to church on Sunday, and tell the priest there that you want to join a religious order; you want to be a priest, too. Oh, and you and your wife get to stay together.
But you promised because the Mormon church required you to promise as a condition of full membership.
“The church has suggested…”
So, you did not have to be baptized.
If Paul wants to, he can go become an Eastern Catholic priest. They are allowed to be married. Same Catholic Church, different external expressions (liturgics). Some are bi-ritual as well (celebrating both Western and Eastern liturgies). And of course he can always become a deacon.
