Confraternity Bible

[Fidelis]

take this for example,

mat. 16:18 κἀγὼ δέ σοι λέγω ὅτι σὺ εἶ Πέτρος, καὶ ἐπὶ ταύτῃ τῇ πέτρᾳ οἰκοδομήσω μου τὴν ἐκκλησίαν, καὶ πύλαι ᾅδου οὐ κατισχύσουσιν αὐτῆς.

in those confraternity bible of the Roman Catholic Church—they put the words “ONE HOLY CATHOLIC ROMAN CHURCH”.

but it is so obvious that it is not stated in the original greek of it—hmmm…sounds the Catholic scholars are adding words to the verse

I hope you don’t mind me saying this AAC08 but based on this and other threads, you are a virtual fountain of misconceptions about the Catholic Church. May I ask where you recieve all your (mis)information from?

 

[Manfred]

Perhaps I have misunderstood you but if you are trying to say Matthew 16:18 in an English-language Confraternity bible contains the words “one, holy, catholic, Roman” inserted before the word “Church” you are mistaken. If you have seen this yourself on a printed page, you were not looking at an authentic Confraternity bible. I hope you are merely repeating some nonsense you’ve been told. This phrase does not even appear in the notes to Matthew 16:18 in the Confraternity New Testament.

Cranch,

I was thinking the same thing. I used that version of the bible from my Confirmation in 1960 till I purchased a 1970 NAB in 1986, and nowhere is the poster’s false assertion supported.

 

[Zooey]

take this for example,

mat. 16:18 κἀγὼ δέ σοι λέγω ὅτι σὺ εἶ Πέτρος, καὶ ἐπὶ ταύτῃ τῇ πέτρᾳ οἰκοδομήσω μου τὴν ἐκκλησίαν, καὶ πύλαι ᾅδου οὐ κατισχύσουσιν αὐτῆς.

in those confraternity bible of the Roman Catholic Church—they put the words “ONE HOLY CATHOLIC ROMAN CHURCH”.

but it is so obvious that it is not stated in the original greek of it—hmmm…sounds the Catholic scholars are adding words to the verse

Oy vay.
Once upon a time, some forty odd years ago, I observed to my mother (may she rest in peace), that I couldn’t find a pocket-sized New Testament anywhere, and I wanted one that I could stick in my purse.
Mama did some homework (and considering that this was long, long before the’Net; in fact, we still were, I believe, sweeping pterodactyl bones off the porch every morning…deposited there by the:wink: Wild Poodles Who Were Roaming the Earth In Those Days…Considering that, it was no mean feat), and found that there was such a New Testament. With decent print & colored prints of Bible scenes, yet. It was the Confraternity Version of the Bible, and she bought it for me.
Now, as I say, that was many years ago, and I am an old lady, and some of my teeth are missing, and some of the ones I have left aren’t as sharp as they used to be, but–
If you can show me the place in my Confraternity NT, that it says what you claim that it says–
I will eat it.:yup:
The whole book. :yup:
On Primetime Television. :yup:
With ketchup and a kaiser roll.:yup:

It’s a school, I’m telling you. For Anti-Catholic Goofiness. Somewhere in the Hollow Earth,there it lies, guarded by Men Armed With Iron Spears & Stone Hammers.
It’s turning out people who quote this:yawn: nonsense even as we speak.
It’s the only answer. People couldn’t be coming up with all this stuff on their own. It just** has** to be a school…

 

[Church_Militant]

Oy: vay.
Once upon a time, some forty odd years ago, I observed to my mother (may she rest in peace), that I couldn’t find a pocket-sized New Testament anywhere, and I wanted one that I could stick in my purse.
Mama did some homework (and considering that this was long, long before the’Net; in fact, we still were, I believe, sweeping pterodactyl bones off the porch every morning…deposited there by the:wink: Wild Poodles Who Were Roaming the Earth In Those Days…Considering that, it was no mean feat), and found that there was such a New Testament. With decent print & colored prints of Bible scenes, yet. It was the Confraternity Version of the Bible, and she bought it for me.
Now, as I say, that was many years ago, and I am an old lady, and some of my teeth are missing, and some of the ones I have left aren’t as sharp as they used to be, but–
If you can show me the place in my Confraternity NT, that it says what you claim that it says–
I will eat it.
The whole book.
On Primetime Television.
With ketchup and a kaiser roll.

It’s a school, I’m telling you. For Anti-Catholic Goofiness. Somewhere in the Hollow Earth,there it lies, guarded by Men Armed With Iron Spears & Stone Hammers.
It’s turning out people who quote this:yawn: nonsense even as we speak.
It’s the only answer. People couldn’t be coming up with all this stuff on their own. It just** has** to be a school…

 

[Church_Militant]

take this for example,

mat. 16:18 κἀγὼ δέ σοι λέγω ὅτι σὺ εἶ Πέτρος, καὶ ἐπὶ ταύτῃ τῇ πέτρᾳ οἰκοδομήσω μου τὴν ἐκκλησίαν, καὶ πύλαι ᾅδου οὐ κατισχύσουσιν αὐτῆς.

in those confraternity bible of the Roman Catholic Church—they put the words “ONE HOLY CATHOLIC ROMAN CHURCH”.

but it is so obvious that it is not stated in the original greek of it—hmmm…sounds the Catholic scholars are adding words to the verse

Someone has straight out lied to you my friend. I just happened to have my copy close to hand and scanned this so we can show you what is really there.

How do you answer this?
(Please Note: This uploaded content is no longer available.)

 

[Fidelis]

The OP AAC08, it appears, has left the building. Out of embarassment, no doubt.

 

[Church_Militant]

The OP AAC08, it appears, has left the building. Out of embarrassment, no doubt.

I don’t know about that but I don’t think he’s been back since he posted that. I’ll wait and see how he responds if at all.

 

[AAC08]

this is my evidence.

youtube.com/watch?v=arx6b7jN6II

I am a Filipino but I hope you now what I mean. majority of the argument are stated in Cebuano (another dialect of the Philippines), but the evidence of the Catholic Faith Defenders was stated in english.

 

[Church_Militant]

this is my evidence.

youtube.com/watch?v=arx6b7jN6II

I am a Filipino but I hope you now what I mean. majority of the argument are stated in Cebuano (another dialect of the Philippines), but the evidence of the Catholic Faith Defenders was stated in english.Well I just showed you what the CCD version says in plain English, so if someone read that, then they must have penciled it in or something.

Besides, I find it kind of odd that in a video where everything else is in Tagalog or whatever language that is, that they all of a sudden begin to read in English. That makes me wonder if that wasn’t dubbed in by someone who wanted to make the Catholics look like we says something that we really do not.

I assume that you are one of the SDA opponents to the Catholic faith then?

 

[AAC08]

Well I just showed you what the CCD version says in plain English, so if someone read that, then they must have penciled it in or something.

excuse me sir, the poster of it is a ROman Catholic and he posted his stand that the RC is the church mentioned there.

[Besides, I find it kind of odd that in a video where everything else is in Tagalog or whatever language that is, that they all of a sudden begin to read in English.

that’s because the Bible they used is in english version of the Confraternity Bible.

[That makes me wonder if that wasn’t dubbed in by someone who wanted to make the Catholics look like we says something that we really do not.

sorry sir, try to observe the video, Catholic supporters of Catholic Faith Defenders were shouting and joyfully affirmed the stand of your co-apologists in the Philippines, remember sir, Itnayr as far as I’ve seen his profile is a Roman Catholic as well as flewen who also posted this video in the Filipino section of this website.

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assume that you are one of the SDA opponents to the Catholic faith then?

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nope, I’m not.
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[Church_Militant]

excuse me sir, the poster of it is a ROman Catholic and he posted his stand that the RC is the church mentioned there.

Well, he’s right that the Catholic Church is the one true church, but that passage in the CCD Bible doesn’t use those words, so I don’t know where he got that from.

sorry sir, try to observe the video, Catholic supporters of Catholic Faith Defenders were shouting and joyfully affirmed the stand of your co-apologists in the Philippines, remember sir, Itnayr as far as I’ve seen his profile is a Roman Catholic as well as flewen who also posted this video in the Filipino section of this website.

I have no problems at all with their opinion that the Catholic Church is the one true church. I agree with them after much personal study.

 

[Jolly_Joe]

Looks like one more person who was willing to lie to win a debate and further what they believe.

Could have been the person reading, it’s not impossible that it was the bible he was reading from either, not everyone in the world recognizes and follows copyrights.

In any case, that riot doesn’t deserve to be called debate. Two bands of chimpanzees screaming at each other would make more sense and be more civilized.

JJ

 

[Church_Militant]

Looks like one more person who was willing to lie to win a debate and further what they believe.

Could have been the person reading, it’s not impossible that it was the bible he was reading from either, not everyone in the world recognizes and follows copyrights.

In any case, that riot doesn’t deserve to be called debate. Two bands of chimpanzees screaming at each other would make more sense and be more civilized.

JJ

Pretty much…

 

[Marysann]

I have been reading this post with interest since I recently purchased “The Catholic Comparative New Testament” which contains the New Testament from the Christian Community Bible which was translated specifically for use in the Philippines by those who speak English as a second language. The translation of the relevant text is as follows: “And now I say to you: You are Peter (or Rock) and on this rock I will build my Church; and never will the powers of death overcome it.” (Mt16:18) This is the closest I could come to determining which English translation Catholics in the Philippines might be reading. We all know that that the Confraternity Bible never contained the phrase “Roman Catholic” since it was never used until the reformation except, of course, in Rome itself. I love my Confraternity Bible and want to defend it’s honor! Who knows where the OP’s bible came from.

 

[lanceg]

take this for example,

mat. 16:18 κἀγὼ δέ σοι λέγω ὅτι σὺ εἶ Πέτρος, καὶ ἐπὶ ταύτῃ τῇ πέτρᾳ οἰκοδομήσω μου τὴν ἐκκλησίαν, καὶ πύλαι ᾅδου οὐ κατισχύσουσιν αὐτῆς.

in those confraternity bible of the Roman Catholic Church—they put the words “ONE HOLY CATHOLIC ROMAN CHURCH”.

but it is so obvious that it is not stated in the original greek of it—hmmm…sounds the Catholic scholars are adding words to the verse

Friend, (Edited) there is not a single Catholic translation that translates “Roman Catholic Church” in the actual text of the Bible.

 

[lanceg]

yes this looks like the bibles we had in Catholic school from 6th grade (confirmation) on, wish I still had mine, but my brother has his, maybe I will inherit it. When many of us oldies express nostalgia about the DR version, we are really speaking of the Confraternity version based on it. Since the DR is one of the most reliable translations of the Vulgate ever attempted, yes this is a good bible.

now can one of our CA experts tell me if this translation was used for the English version of readings in the St. Joseph or St Andrew Sunday missals we had in parochial school in the 50s?

Perhaps you all already know this, but the complete Confraternity Bible can be purchased brand new at: sinagtala.com/single_bibles_catechisms_holybible.htm

One can also purchase the New Testament new through Scepter Publishers: scepterpublishers.org/product-exec/product_id/143/nm/New_Testament_Confraternity_Pocket_Edition_

The Confraternity Bible is, as many have already noted, relatively easy to find used. I have several copies. It is the best Bible for Catholics, being a modern translation with the integrity and beauty of the Douay-Rheims. It is even better in my view than the RSV, even though that is a great translation, for the RSV omits many passages.

I have copies that have the Douay Old Testament and Confraternity New Testament, and copies with the Old Testament partly translated into the Confraternity version, which later morphed into the NAB. The New Testament, a revision of the Rheims, is simply excellent. I read it every day, and have a copy with me everywhere I go.

 

[lanceg]

I have been reading this post with interest since I recently purchased “The Catholic Comparative New Testament” which contains the New Testament from the Christian Community Bible which was translated specifically for use in the Philippines by those who speak English as a second language. The translation of the relevant text is as follows: “And now I say to you: You are Peter (or Rock) and on this rock I will build my Church; and never will the powers of death overcome it.” (Mt16:18) This is the closest I could come to determining which English translation Catholics in the Philippines might be reading. We all know that that the Confraternity Bible never contained the phrase “Roman Catholic” since it was never used until the reformation except, of course, in Rome itself. I love my Confraternity Bible and want to defend it’s honor! Who knows where the OP’s bible came from.

Good for you Marysann, you have found in the Confraternity Bible, as many of us have, a reliable & dignified translation of the Holy Bible. Our Byzantine Church uses an amended version of the Confraternity Bible in our lectionary.

 

[BDewey]

Good for you Marysann, you have found in the Confraternity Bible, as many of us have, a reliable & dignified translation of the Holy Bible. Our Byzantine Church uses an amended version of the Confraternity Bible in our lectionary.

Sigh! :crying: I wish we Romans could dump the NAB, it’s a horrid translation! The RSV-CE of 1966 isn’t bad at all and I wish we could use it in the Liturgy (the 2nd edition of the RSV-CE from Ignatius Press notwithstanding…I don’t like it). However, since the American bishops own the copyright to NAB…it won’t disappear anytime soon, unless B16 issues a moto proprio. For so many Catholics, the NAB dribble is all that they’ll ever hear or read. Not even the CCC uses it!

The Confraternity NT isn’t bad at all. Personally, I think it’s a better translation than the NAB, even though the NAB uses the original languages!

 

[Fidelis]

this is my evidence.

youtube.com/watch?v=arx6b7jN6II

I am a Filipino but I hope you now what I mean. majority of the argument are stated in Cebuano (another dialect of the Philippines), but the evidence of the Catholic Faith Defenders was stated in english.

So AAC08—now that you have been shown beyond a doubt you were wrong about this issue of the Catholic Bible, do you at least have the Christian humility to admit it?

 

[Jerry-Jet]

I think the Confraternity New Testament is superior to almost everything out there–it may not be perfect but it has less grievous faults than other translations have.