Confused about baptism

[DLC]

Please read the 1 Peter passage carefully.
1 Peter 3:17-21
18 For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit; 19 in which also He went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison, 20 who once were disobedient, when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water. 21 Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you — not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience — through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
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1. In Noah’s day water was apicture of death not salvation.
2. Water baptism does not saved because it does not remove the dirt from the flesh.
3. Water baptism is an appeal to to God for a good conscience.
4. Everyone know that Noah and his family were saved whrn they entered the arc and not through water baptism.
5. We are saved by God’s grace through faith in Jesus Christ. Eph 2:8-9
   8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.

 

[Mannyfit75]

Holy Baptism is the first sacrament we receive and is one of the three sacraments of Christian initiation. It was explicitly instituted by Christ and is the means, by which we become adopted children of the family of God ( Mt 28:19 ) ( Jn 3:5 ) ( Acts 2:38 ). Baptism is like a first kiss from God. It produces in the soul an indelible spiritual mark or character; sanctifying us, and unites us to Christ and to his church; the mystical body of Christ ( Gal 3:27 ) ( 1 Cor 6:11; 12:13 ). Baptism is an outward sign of inward grace that frees us from the stain of original sin.

Baptism, a new birth of water and the Spirit, removes the barrier of original sin ( Jn 19:34 ) ( Rom 6:3-4 ) ( 1 Pet 1:23 ). It opens the door to Heaven with a bond of Fatherly love. The Christian faithful are saved by the water of Baptism and by holding fast to their faith, as one family of God inside the church; just as Noah and his family were saved from the flood by staying inside the ark ( 1 Peter 3:18-22 ). The ark being a type of church and the flood being baptismal waters; the church will prevail. We are saved in the church, and we have our Lords word “that the gates of the netherworld will not prevail against it” ( Mt 16:18 ).

We look hopefully forward, towards an eternal family reunion, as divine sons and daughters of the Father. Baptism is the first step on our stairway to Heaven. It is the normative route God provided for us His creatures for we are not orphans left desolate. He will come to us ( Jn 14:18 ). Baptism is a loving gift of grace from the heart of the Father on our spiritual journey towards supernatural life.

Supernatural life, our hope; is a divine life and love to be shared with Him, and Mary our mother, and all the members of the family of God, forever ( 1 Cor 2:7-9 ) ( 2 Pet 1:3-11 ) ( Rom 8:18-19 ).

 

[guanophore]

Please read the 1 Peter passage carefully.
1 Peter 3:17-21
18 For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit; 19 in which also He went and made proclamation to the spirits now in prison, 20 who once were disobedient, when the patience of God kept waiting in the days of Noah, during the construction of the ark, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through the water. 21 Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you — not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience — through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

1. In Noah’s day water was apicture of death not salvation.

That is why it is an appropriate comparison. " We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life. " Rom 6:3-4

Here the apostle compares the drawing of the person through the water (death) into life with the salvation of the 8 in the Ark.

1. Water baptism does not saved because it does not remove the dirt from the flesh.

It probably does, since it is hard to come in contact with water without at least getting as small clean spot…

But that is irrelevant. What are you saying? that, if the person was getting their flesh clean it would be salvific? I am heading for the bathtub right now!

1. Water baptism is an appeal to to God for a good conscience.

Is is your intention to take this verse in a vaccuum, and ignore all the other scriptures about baptism?

1. Everyone know that Noah and his family were saved whrn they entered the arc and not through water baptism.

Evidently Peter did not know this, or he would not have made this comparison. That silly 'ol Apostle. Where did he go to school?

1. We are saved by God’s grace through faith in Jesus Christ. *Eph 2:8-9
   8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Yes. And how are we instructed to demonstrate our faith? what did Jesus do when he started His ministry? what did all his disciples do? what did they tell the new converts to do?

 

[Jesus1]

Is infant baptism a baptism of desire on behalf of the parents representing the infant?

If so, can the repentance be shown through the parents acknowledging the fact that their infant has original sin?

I had the same question a couple of weeks ago. I had a Jehovah Witness come up to me at WalMart and try to give me some of her tracts. When I told her that I was a Catholic, then she started immediately quizzing me on several things, without waiting for any of my answers. One of those subjects was infant baptism. I talked to several people at my Church who are into apologetics, and one of them made the point that God Himself told the Jewish people to circumcise their infant sons at 8 days, without their consent. So, if God would accept a circumcision on a baby boy, so does He also accept baby baptism. If Jesus didn’t want babies baptized, it would have made sense that when He gave the great commission to go out and baptize all nations, He would have added “except those that cannot give consent.” St. Paul baptized entire infants, and if you look at the 3 Volume series on the Faith of the Early Fathers, the disciples of the apostles told how the apostles themselves were out baptizing infants.
Hope this helps