Confused about Catholic-Protestant Relationship

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I don’t care how nicely you try to couch it, but if you call someone immature then you are automatically putting their defences up and your arguement has little merit to the other person.
Everyone has different levels of maturity and we can’t judge them all by how they write. That in itself is a premature and immature judgement (not to mention condescending). We need to have compassion and meet people where THEY are in their journey.
If you find that your remarks (no matter how well intended and honest) have even a hint of snideness, insult, condescension (sp?), passive-aggressiveness, rudeness or any slew of mannerism that isn’t compassion and polite honesty…then maybe you need to take a deep breath, think about it and apologize for not shining the light Christ has asked each and everyone of us to shine for him.
 
MCGar, the truth doesn’t change. If more than one person says it, then I guess it sounds repetitive. And when she stops whining and flinging insults in every one of her responses, then perhaps we’ll all get somewhere.

But I doubt it. She is upset because we didn’t automatically tell her that love conquers all, and it will work, and religion doesn’t really matter. Which even SHE does not believe. She is very prejudiced, in that she thinks being Catholic shouldn’t matter, but that her hanging onto her faith with an iron grip is just perfectly fine.

I think deep down, in a place she may not admit she has or realize she has, what she really wants is to “conquer” this Catholic guy and make him come over to her side. Lead him out of his ritualistic, popish darkness and into the light of her own church, which, from my research has basically no doctrine and she says has few or no rules. So it’s basically a feel-good outfit calling itself a church, which even though it strives to unite Christians has aleady been through at least one schism itself, and joined up with another competing church as well. 🤷
 
basilisk,

I stand by my statement even moreso after reading your last post.
I think maybe you need to stand back and look at your posts from another viewpoint.
Let’s say the OP came to Pope John Paul II or Pope Benedict XVI, would they respond like you do?
Would they have written what you have? In the manner that you have?
I think they wouldn’t and not because they don’t believe in telling the truth, but because their truth is love and compassion no matter if they feel insulted.

You may not WANT to hear what I have to say but please think about it.
 
Some people come to CAF. They ask for advice. When they get it, they don’t like it, even when it is the truth. So, some people get nasty. They get demanding. They claim to be insulted. They make demands on CAFers. Some people rewrite their OP because then we would all certainly understand better. They mention facts they preciously omitted that have no bearing on the OP. When they get the very same advice they get insulted and hurt again.

This is the same stuff that’s been going on for years. We had the gal who wanted to fink out her brother’s fiancee to her mother for having had a hysterectomy out of fear of another disease. We’ve had people who came in and told us about the sins of others, and then modified the sins and the circumstances when told to MYOB unless they had real proof, not hearsay. We’ve had people come in looking for advice about their sins, and then their excuses.

LaBailey is not the only person who is from another ecclesial body seeking info. There was that Greek Orthodox gal just before Christmas in Liturgy and Sacraments. She didn’t get in a snit when she asked for advice.

If an original poster asks for advice and then doesn’t want to hear it, it would be better if the orignal poster just said, “Thank you, I have my answer now” and moved on. To engage further, to my thought patterns, only seems to perpetuate the whole negative aspect. It doesn’t change facts.
 
WOW! It is amazing how a thread will get people eating each other up. 😦 Quite frankly very sad.

MCGar…Thank God for people like you. You are a true example of being a Christian. You have hit the nail on the head. The bible says speak the truth in LOVE. I think that sums up what you are trying to convey here.

Basilisk…You are doing exactly what you are scolding LaBailey for doing. Take a step back and think before you react. I completely understand why you are doing it, believe me. But now, she can retaliate with the the fact that you have put down her beliefs and church in the same way she did yours in the beginning. So that makes you BOTH doing the same thing. Don’t think the man upstairs would be pleased at all. As I said, I have read many things on here that puts down my beliefs as a protestant and a pentecostal protestant at that. Things like, you are just looking for feel good and etc. Well I never say anything back to them about it, because that is what they want out of me, a reaction. My goal is to maintain the love of Christ. There is a reason for the scripture about turning the other cheek. Like I said, I know you are standing up and defending your faith, but not in a very good way. God Bless You.
 
rolltidefan-

Thanks for the reply. I completely understand where you are coming from. I made certain to explain to them that marriages with two faiths can sometimes work as well as one of the same faith. We also spoke of conversion and respecting others beliefs as they would like theirs to be respected. I remind my self that they are just teens and have a long road ahead of them and will make their own choices. I pray every day that we are giving them the knowledge to make good choices. My point in showing them the op was for them to understand the type of struggles that they could easily run into if they didn’t take the time to discern what was truly important to them and how important mutual respect is in a relationship.
 
rolltidefan-

Thanks for the reply. I completely understand where you are coming from. I made certain to explain to them that marriages with two faiths can sometimes work as well as one of the same faith. We also spoke of conversion and respecting others beliefs as they would like theirs to be respected. I remind my self that they are just teens and have a long road ahead of them and will make their own choices. I pray every day that we are giving them the knowledge to make good choices. My point in showing them the op was for them to understand the type of struggles that they could easily run into if they didn’t take the time to discern what was truly important to them and how important mutual respect is in a relationship.
I completely understand. I think it was very wise of you to do that. I think it shows what a great parent you and your husband are. I think you are raising your children to be great people and most of all great Christians. I applaud you!
 
I know exactly where you are coming from. I, myself, was raised a Protestant and my wife was raised Catholic. We had many of the same issues that you seem to be having when we were dating and through the first couple years of our marriage. We struggled for a long time on where we should go to church and how we would raise any children we would have.

My advice to you is to, first, open your mind. It is impossible to even begin to accept the Catholic Church (or any other new ideas) when you start with a nagative attitude towards it. Believe me, I was the same way. I had this attitude that they were wrong in everything they did because that was all I heard about Catholics when I was young.

Second, I advise you to educate yourself about the Catholic Church. One good way to do this is RCIA class offered through the Church. There is no requirement for you to convert after the class is over and it is a good way for you to learn about Church teachings and be able to ask questions about issues that concern you. I attended these classes when I finally opened my mind and decided to learn about the Church. I have learned a lot about the Church teachings and I have found that most (if not all) of my previous understandings about what the Church taught were wrong. Don’t base your opinion of the Church on ignorance as I did at first.

Third, and most importantly, pray. Ask God to open your mind and lead you in the right direction. If you both open your minds and let God work, everything will work out for the best.
 
LaBailey,

First I applaud you for coming back. I originally thought you would be a post a question and never reply as so many do on this board. They throw accusations about what the catholic church believes without ever wanting to actually learn what the church teaches. Unfortunately sometimes even talking to Catholics you get different answers depending on how educated they are. I know I came to these boards thinking I was an educated catholic but heck I learn something new all the time. What concerns me is that you ask us for our opinion but you disregard anyone’s opinion who doesn’t support the answer you want to hear. Everyone on these boards comes with a history. They speak from experience. Don’t disregard them so easily. I know I have found some amazing Christian women and men on these boards.

Your main question was whether inter-faith marriages can work. YES they can. I know first hand because my father and step-mother were in a inter-faith marriage. They didn’t have to worry about how to raise the children in the faith because we were all over the age of 8. I had already received my first communion by then. But the practicing of religion in my family fell apart at about the same time. Faith and God were just not a focus in the home anymore. If your not unified then your children will notice. The will not see that God is important . You want and our culture supports the mind set to show them all these different faiths and then leave it up to them to decide between yours and your husbands faith. In the end that most likely means that the children will decide to not accept either. Think how much your faith means to you. How much you count on it. Now think about the fact that your children won’t have the faith. All they will have is confusion. They will be wandering through their life without a strong stable faith. They will be perfect fonder for the devil to toy with. Reads these boards. See the pains and heartaches people suffered when they didn’t have their faith. Learn from them. Don’t do it to your children. You must have a untied front!

In my case, my step-mom converted 10 years later. Oddly enough it was because she had questions about her faith and Catholicism and asked her pastor about them. His hateful behavior towards the catholic church vs what she saw my dad practing is what finally brought her home. I myself when through a conversion process in college, went through RCIA and came back. I’ve had my ups and downs but am so thankful to have the support of my faith community.
 
Con’t

Also you made this quote “I also think that a very big part of this is the fact that my mother would disown me if I became Catholic.“ Why do you fear you mothers approval in all aspects of your life? Aren’t you an adult? She raised you and at some point you have to become the women GOD wants you to be. Spread your wings. Make decisions for yourself. Your wanting to learn about Catholicism and not at the moment convert. She should respect that she raised you to not just take what you are told as truth but to search out and find the whole truth for yourself. You should not be afraid of knowledge nor the outcome from your actions. To disown you would be your mothers choice. You can only control your actions.

*“I also think that since I love my OWN church so much (& I have gone to the same church since I was born) that I just don’t want change. I love my church and already feel like such a traitor to all of my church family whom I love and love me back. They have been through my entire life with me and helped me so much. What do I do about that? When one man comes into my life and wants to change what I have known to be true my entire life??? Help me with that??.. *

If they truly love you then they will accept you even if you marry a Catholic. If not then* “shake the dust from your feet and move on”. *I understand that your church is important to you. But is it the church or your faith that is more important? What happens if you to move away and you can no longer go to that church? Are you going to be able to find another Disciples of Christ church that believes the same things as your church does now? Or will your faith struggle without that support you have had since birth? As catholics are faith is not defined by the one church but the universal church. You get the same mass ever day of the year no matter if your in China or Africa or South America or America. Its also why pastor get moved around from parish to parish. Its not about the priest but God.

You also stated “I don’t want to feel like I’m divorcing my mother when I marry my husband”. do you understand what a wife’s role is? She is no longer a member of her family. She leaves her family and joins her husband. Those two become a new family unit. Read proverbs 30 and see how a wife should be. Have you ever really read and pondered over the actions of the women from the bible? Check out their struggles and see how they behave in their marriages. You might learn something about submission. (I also recommend the book “what to do while waiting for Mr. Right” or “lady in Waiting” both of these are easy reads and written by protestants women. Its about how a women should prepare herself for marriage.)

I would also understand that a wife is suppose to help her husband get to heaven. How will your marriage work if you take such a hateful tone towards his faith? Our faith is not just something we leave at the door to the church. It is something that should be apart of us at our core. It should drive us in our everyday lives. How do you think he feels to have apart of him belittled? You want him to show you respect but yet it doesn’t seem your given it to him. Your treating his Catholicism like it’s a fault within him that you have to over look to be able to accept him.

I thought about you all evening and this morning and I will include you in my prayers. I hope you continue to pray on what God’s plans are for you. Be open to the holy Spirit and let him guide you in your relationship. I wish you the best in your relationship and whatever decision you come to.

Peace of Christ be with you,
Beckers
 
Only do it to YOURSELF, though. Please, do not bring any children into the world until you either are in a marriage of religious unity, or you and this current man have married and made a decision about in WHICH faith you will practice and raise children. You can’t practice and teach both… it just doesn’t work.

And, just a little advice… if you are older than ChristinaM, who lists her age as 23 on her profile (yours is not listed), then you really are too old to sound as petulant as you come across in your posts. Part of the reason people thought you were young is because your posts read like a 17 year old typed them. I am sure you think I am just insulting you, but I am trying to give you constructive advice. If, next time you need help with something, you ask without first insulting the people you are consulting, and then respond without whining about the things they tell you, you will probably have a better experience.
I agree with this–it is very hard, if not impossible, to teach kids two faiths, and expect them to come away without being confused, and unfulfilled. It would be like I teach my kids 2+2 = 4…and my husband says…well, 2+2 can also equal 6. Ok, kids…just learn both ways…it can equal 4 and it can equal 6…just go with that, and when you’re old enough, you can choose for yourself. Huh? lol

That’s what I compare teaching two faiths, even two Christian faiths, to kids. It will be nothing short of very confusing and unfair to them.

LABAILEY–Hope that things work out. I can’t imagine the struggle you’re feeling…you’re in love, he is in love with you…and now you are faced with this…but, better to reflect and perhaps end things, before a marriage, than after you marry.
Good luck!
 
MCGar, thank you. rolltidefan, thank you.
Your treating his Catholicism like it’s a fault within him that you have to over look to be able to accept him.
That’s exactly how I feel.
It would be like I teach my kids 2+2 = 4…and my husband says…well, 2+2 can also equal 6. Ok, kids…just learn both ways…it can equal 4 and it can equal 6…just go with that, and when you’re old enough, you can choose for yourself.
That is a VERY great example. This is probably the biggest issue.

Thanks again to everyone. However I really wish to close this thread. I have plenty of responses and I’m very satisfied. Thanks again.
 
The Church does teach that outside the Church there is no salvation, but the Catechism explains exactly what that means (as you probably know it does not mean all non-Catholics automatically go to Hell). He should start examining himself instead of presuming that you are in spiritual peril. I believe with all my heart that the Catholic Church holds the fullness of truth, but I never presume to know who is and who is not going to Heaven (myself included). Only God knows that.
Actually, hasn’t the Catholic Church signed a Joint Declaration with several churchs acknowledging them as having a path to salvation and justification too?
This post ought to be made a sticky for all those contemplating entering a mixed union.
1ke, you have truly shown me no compassion and I would much rather hear what I “don’t want to hear” from someone else who has been much more understanding of my situation and lack of knowledge in this department. I’m still learning. There’s no need for you to pick me apart. I’d think you’d want to show me what a wonderful Christian you are instead of showing me what a bully you can be.
La Bailey,

One thing I’ve learned talking about my own mixed marriage on this forum. Ignore people like 1ke and BamaRider. They all love to throw out the “You only want to hear what you want to hear at you” line, and then tear you down rather than offering any constructive advice. Since about 35-40% of Catholics are not married to Catholics…and the number grows daily…It’s highly likely at least one of their Catholic Family members or even one of their kids will end up in a mixed marriage…hopefully they are all nicer to them then they are to people like you and I.
 
Actually, hasn’t the Catholic Church signed a Joint Declaration with several churchs acknowledging them as having a path to salvation and justification too?
If you have seen this, please, post a link.

I have never heard of such.
 
MCGar, thank you. rolltidefan, thank you.

That’s exactly how I feel.

That is a VERY great example. This is probably the biggest issue.

Thanks again to everyone. However I really wish to close this thread. I have plenty of responses and I’m very satisfied. Thanks again.
So his catholicism is a fault then? Just think about that LaBailey. You are saying that your boyfriends relationship with God is inferior or incorrect. That how he has come to know and practice and love God is wrong. How can you truly know and love him for him if you think that? Just think how you would feel if he came to you and said those same things.

I know you have gotten an overload of infomation. Take a few days or weeks to pray, read and ponder on all that has been presented to you. You don’t have to make a decision tonight or in the next few days. Please pray to the Holy spirit to guide your discernment.
 
If you have seen this, please, post a link.

I have never heard of such.
This is a reference to the
JOINT DECLARATION
ON THE DOCTRINE OF JUSTIFICATION
by the Lutheran World Federation
and the Catholic Church

212.77.1.247/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/chrstuni/documents/rc_pc_chrstuni_doc_31101999_cath-luth-joint-declaration_en.html

which covers ways both Catholics and Lutherans agree that we are justified by grace. The Lutheran view of justification differs considerably from many other Protestant and evangelical ecclesial communities.
 
LaBailey,

I believe you are trying hard to understand your boyfriend and his Church. I think you are finding out that while both your Church and the Catholic Church believe that Jesus Christ is the one that leads us to salvation, there are considerable differences in the way that this plays out in worship and day to day life. As someone with 50 years of life experience I think I can tell you that whether you are talking about family life, work, leisure time, or religious practice you ***should ***care about the day to day issues.

You’ve actually gotten some good information here. I know that you’ve been rather put-off by the writing style of some of the posters here. Many of us are very direct to the point of being blunt instruments.😃 But that is because we believe facts trump feelings when it comes to our Faith. Our Church is rather like a musical symphony. We think it is beautiful. We may play different instruments and be tasked with different harmonies. But we have to take direction about which notes to play and at which time to play them.

If I could address a few of your points:
He tells me that as long as we love each other, things will work themselves out. He’s very supportive.
I’m glad he’s supportive. But I don’t know if he’s very wise. He sounds like a big picture guy. You’re probably the one who he depends on to handle the details because you care about them.
We will go (together) to Saturday evening mass and then go to my second service Sunday morning. When we decide to have kids, they’ll come with us to both and decide for themselves later what they want to do permanently.
You certainly CAN do that. But it will probably get old going to two services each weekend. And as others have told you, your boyfriend will be expected to sign a paper that states his intention to raise his children as Catholics.
There are so many things I don’t understand about the Catholic Church that causes me to dislike it. There are many traditions I don’t understand and can’t find anything that says to do them in the Bible.
I think others have covered some of these traditions. Many of them are practices that evolved from Jewish forms of liturgy. Some parts of the original Catholic Mass were not recorded in the Bible, probably because everyone already knew about them and took them for granted. There are non-biblical writings that do tell us what early liturgies were like.
I was raised to believe that it’s what’s in your heart that counts.
If by “in your heart” you mean we must love Jesus, invite Him into our lives, and follow our conscience then we Catholics believe that too. But we believe that we must form our conscience according to the doctrines of the Church and submit to Her authority in matters of discipline. We do not believe “Once saved, always saved.”
I also believe that, even if you’re not a member, or maybe not even baptized, you shouldn’t be turned away from communion if you really want to take it.
We Catholics believe that we call it “Communion” because we share a common belief. We have rules about who may receive (for both Catholics and non-Catholics) to protect those who don’t share our belief from erroneously making a false statement of unity with us. I know that it feels like we are shutting you out. But we believe that those who receive communion as Catholics will be judged by God according to their adherence to Catholic beliefs and laws. Are you ready for this?
Sit, stand, kneel, speak, sing, what have you. Everything is exactly the same. Even the books already have the entire year planned out. It’s like you wouldn’t even have to come to church because you already know what it’s going to be. I like to come to church not only for communion, but to hear the MESSAGE that I would miss otherwise. I also like spontaneity.
We Catholics are a liturgical community. That means we follow prescribed formats in our communal worship. This is how the early Christian communities worshiped. This is how we interpret the worship described in the Book of Revelation. It’s the way God told us to worship him. We can still pray, listen to talks, study the Scriptures, fellowship, etc. on our own time. But communal worship is done according to ancient rites.
Also… I am very confused about the Pope. I just really don’t get it. He’s not God, he’s not Jesus, he doesn’t have a secret telephone line to communicate with God.
No, the Pope is not God. But we believe he is ordained to the ministerial priesthood along with other bishops, priests, and deacons. The ministerial priesthood is set apart unlike those of us in the priesthood of the people. The ministerial priesthood was given the power to bind and loose in heaven and to confer the sacraments.
So many things that Catholics respect so much seem to be meaningless to me :(… like the communion wafers… they’re just wafers, why kneel to them? I have so much to learn.
They are meaningless because you haven’t yet recognized them for what they truly are. We wouldn’t kneel to a mere piece of bread either. (Or at least we shouldn’t. Not all Catholics understand their Faith well.) But we kneel to Jesus. And at Mass, what was once a mere piece of bread becomes Jesus, through the words and actions of the priest. This is true whether or not we believe it.
 
Actually, hasn’t the Catholic Church signed a Joint Declaration with several churchs acknowledging them **as having a path to salvation **and justification too?
Uh, no.
La Bailey,

One thing I’ve learned talking about my own mixed marriage on this forum. Ignore people like 1ke and BamaRider. They all love to throw out the “You only want to hear what you want to hear at you” line, and then tear you down rather than offering any constructive advice. Since about 35-40% of Catholics are not married to Catholics…and the number grows daily…It’s highly likely at least one of their Catholic Family members or even one of their kids will end up in a mixed marriage…hopefully they are all nicer to them then they are to people like you and I.
That’s the beauty of a free country. We all get to have an opinion, and on a public message board we all get to tell everyone what our opinion is.

She is free to take it or leave it, as are you. I know you don’t like hearing that mixed marriages are a bad idea. But, they are and I won’t stop saying it when people ask.
 
This is a reference to the
JOINT DECLARATION
ON THE DOCTRINE OF JUSTIFICATION

by the Lutheran World Federation

and the Catholic Church

212.77.1.247/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/chrstuni/documents/rc_pc_chrstuni_doc_31101999_cath-luth-joint-declaration_en.html

which covers ways both Catholics and Lutherans agree that we are justified by grace. The Lutheran view of justification differs considerably from many other Protestant and evangelical ecclesial communities.
This one I know, and it is not as far reaching as the poster stated.
 
This is a reference to the
JOINT DECLARATION
ON THE DOCTRINE OF JUSTIFICATION
by the Lutheran World Federation
and the Catholic Church

212.77.1.247/roman_curia/pontifical_councils/chrstuni/documents/rc_pc_chrstuni_doc_31101999_cath-luth-joint-declaration_en.html

which covers ways both Catholics and Lutherans agree that we are justified by grace. The Lutheran view of justification differs considerably from many other Protestant and evangelical ecclesial communities.
However, it does not say Lutheranism as a “path to salvation.” In fact, Dominus Iesus makes it clear that the church does not subscribe to syncretism or indifferentism.

But we digress.
 
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