Confused about what my priest said

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So how does this work when Latin Catholics are told to “live like” an Eastern Catholic for a couple years before switching?
I would imagine that you would assist at holy days of obligation from both Rites then.
Does “enrolled” mean where you become Catholic?
I don’t really have a choice in the matter, I can only become Catholic in a Latin rite church cause I don’t live near any Eastern rite churches and I don’t have a car.

So does that mean I’ll actually be an Eastern Catholic when I convert (which will be on Easter, btw :))

I wouldn’t be able to go to an Eastern rite parish though!

So where does that leave me…

when I enter the Church the priest will give me a certificate saying that I’m now Roman Catholic, but… I won’t be, really?

Sure I can switch rites too, I guess… but I don’t know if they’ll let me, and more importantly - I don’t have a baptism certificate from the Orthodox church cause in that parish they don’t give certificates. The priest said if I won’t be able to obtain one, I can just get some sort of written evidence like a signature. But now i hear that to switch rites you need certificates for the Sacraments…

I just kind of feel overwhelmed by all this 😦
I wish it was more simple…
I like the Eastern rites too but I think it might be a little much for me to practice both Eastern and Latin rite Catholicism…
Monica, Monica, please don’t worry. At Easter (congrats!!), you will be accepted into the universal Catholic Church (which is sometimes called here the C23, less ambiguous), but you will be enrolled in the sui iuris Church that corresponds to the Orthodox Church that you now belong to. You will belong to the C23, but more specifically, you will belong to an Eastern Catholic Church, not the Roman Church.

So, even though you will be an Eastern Catholic, you are not required to ever go to an Eastern Catholic parish; you may celebrate the sacraments at the local Latin parish.

Knowing your situation, I don’t think your priest would give you a certificate that says Roman Catholic, but ask him. From what I’ve gathered from people more knowledgeable than myself here, you would be bound to the Holy Days of Obligation, and fasting and abstinence of your sui iuris Church, not the Latin Church.
 
Let your conscience be a peace. Come into the Church, live the Catholic life. Yes, you will become a Byzantine Catholic when you make your profession of faith, but don’t worry about the technicalities. The only time you will need to deal with this issue is when you get married, and if you marry a Roman Catholic your ritual transfer is automatic into the Roman Catholic Church. There is no need to make a formal request to become Roman Catholic. You can live as a Roman Catholic or as an Eastern Catholic. Now the law of the Church as I explained before encourages you to live as a faithful Byzantine Catholic, but you can choose to attend any Catholic Church and participate in the Sacraments.

Enrollment means the Catholic Church you are attached to by the law of the Church. For instance a baby baptized in a Latin Church is by that very fact enrolled in the Latin Church. A person who wants to effect a transfer to another Catholic Church, for instance the Byzantine-Ruthenian Church, and does so successfully, with the permission of Rome or the two Eastern and Latin bishops, is enrolled in that Church.

It is very common for Eastern Catholics to be away from their parishes or far from any Byzantine Catholic churches or missions. What is done in that case is to make the home a Domestic Church. Meaning you make an icon corner, a simple one is a stand or small table against the eastern wall in the living room with a crucifix, preferable a three bar one, in the center with an icon of Christ on the right and the Mother of God on the left, with holy water, prayer books, service books, blessed oils, candles and incense on the stand, you canpray morning and evening prayers along with devotional services at home in front of this home altar standing–as is the custom for Eastern Christians. You can get these prayers online as well as through many online bookstores. The most common for Byzantine Catholics is the Byzantine Book of Prayer which can be ordered through Amazon.

You can live the Eastern way of life without a parish, while receiving the sacraments from the Latin Church. You can also still attend the Orthodox Church. Many Eastern Catholics attend Orthodox Morning, Evening, and Divine Liturgy services along with many other services through the Church year. Becoming Catholic does not mean repudiating your Eastern Orthodox heritage, it should only enrich it, by your desire to seek the unity of the Churches.

What you need to do is contact: Very Rev. Robert Hospodar, JCL. Call: 973-890-7777. Ask the secretary to transfer you to him and explain your situation. He is the chancellor for the Eparchy. He is a very nice, understanding person and will assist you in discerning your path, be sure to explain your situation. I have talked with him before and I was very impressed.

I am praying for you and again, be assured that not matter what Church you decide to join–the Catholic Church welcomes you home.

Make sure you contact Father Robert, he will help you. Let your pastor know what you are doing and you want to explore the Eastern Catholic Churches. He should encourage you to do so, since by law he is bound to notify the local Byzantine eparchy if he is receiving a member of the Eastern Orthodox Church.

In Christ,

Robert
 
Before making a comment or suggestion, it would be helpful to know a few things:


  1. *] Which Orthodox Church were you baptised and chrismated in?
    *] Were you a practicing member in that Church?
    *] If yes to (2), and irrespective of the accessibility of an Eastern CC, are you still interested in practicing in the Eastern Church?
    *] If no to (3), is there a particular reason why?

  1. Hi,
    I was baptized and chrismated in the Russian Orthodox church… I took Communion there a couple of times but I wasn’t really practicing. I was a kid… then I became Protestant when I came to university. A year ago, I began to believe in the Sacraments again, and decided to come back… so I went and took Communion at the Orthodox church (only once), but then in a couple of months I began feeling lead to the Catholic Church, and now here I am 🙂 yea it’s sort of confusing. LOL.

    As to being interested in practicing Eastern Catholicism… oki I’m not really sure… I like the Eastern liturgies and the spirituality, but everything about me is pretty much “Western”… like my whole approach. I mean both the theology and the prayers and the devotions I use…

    God bless
 
I would imagine that you would assist at holy days of obligation from both Rites then.
Do you mean going to receive the Eucharist at my parish? Does that count as keeping the holy days of obligation… or do I have to go to an Eastern church on the Eastern rite days?
Monica, Monica, please don’t worry. At Easter (congrats!!), you will be accepted into the universal Catholic Church (which is sometimes called here the C23, less ambiguous), but you will be enrolled in the sui iuris Church that corresponds to the Orthodox Church that you now belong to. You will belong to the C23, but more specifically, you will belong to an Eastern Catholic Church, not the Roman Church.
So, even though you will be an Eastern Catholic, you are not required to ever go to an Eastern Catholic parish; you may celebrate the sacraments at the local Latin parish.
Knowing your situation, I don’t think your priest would give you a certificate that says Roman Catholic, but ask him. From what I’ve gathered from people more knowledgeable than myself here, you would be bound to the Holy Days of Obligation, and fasting and abstinence of your sui iuris Church, not the Latin Church.
Thanks…

well the priest did tell me I’ll receive a certificate saying that I’m a Catholic now, and it also mentions the church I was baptized in… but on the certificate it says in big letters “Roman Catholic” I guess just because it’s a Roman Catholic parish…
 
Let your conscience be a peace. Come into the Church, live the Catholic life. Yes, you will become a Byzantine Catholic when you make your profession of faith, but don’t worry about the technicalities. The only time you will need to deal with this issue is when you get married, and if you marry a Roman Catholic your ritual transfer is automatic into the Roman Catholic Church.
Oh I didn’t know this! Oki thanks for the info…
well that’s if I get married, what if God calls me to a religious vocation - lol I actually haven’t discerned anything yet, I’m just asking hypothetically - would I then need to transfer, if the religious order is a Latin rite order? I’m asking cause I’m not sure right now what future God has planned for me. For all I know it could be either.
There is no need to make a formal request to become Roman Catholic. You can live as a Roman Catholic or as an Eastern Catholic. Now the law of the Church as I explained before encourages you to live as a faithful Byzantine Catholic, but you can choose to attend any Catholic Church and participate in the Sacraments.
Enrollment means the Catholic Church you are attached to by the law of the Church. For instance a baby baptized in a Latin Church is by that very fact enrolled in the Latin Church. A person who wants to effect a transfer to another Catholic Church, for instance the Byzantine-Ruthenian Church, and does so successfully, with the permission of Rome or the two Eastern and Latin bishops, is enrolled in that Church.
oki 🙂
It is very common for Eastern Catholics to be away from their parishes or far from any Byzantine Catholic churches or missions. What is done in that case is to make the home a Domestic Church. Meaning you make an icon corner, a simple one is a stand or small table against the eastern wall in the living room with a crucifix, preferable a three bar one, in the center with an icon of Christ on the right and the Mother of God on the left, with holy water, prayer books, service books, blessed oils, candles and incense on the stand, you canpray morning and evening prayers along with devotional services at home in front of this home altar standing–as is the custom for Eastern Christians. You can get these prayers online as well as through many online bookstores. The most common for Byzantine Catholics is the Byzantine Book of Prayer which can be ordered through Amazon.
that sounds really cool (and I like icons), but it might get really too much for me cause I already have a “prayer corner” that’s really “Roman” Catholic, and I do various “Roman” Catholic prayers and devotions… I’m just afraid that I’ll feel overwhelmed trying to be Western and Eastern at once. 😦 I know they’re both part of the Church and both are fully accepted, but they are sort of different in style…
You can live the Eastern way of life without a parish, while receiving the sacraments from the Latin Church. You can also still attend the Orthodox Church. Many Eastern Catholics attend Orthodox Morning, Evening, and Divine Liturgy services along with many other services through the Church year. Becoming Catholic does not mean repudiating your Eastern Orthodox heritage, it should only enrich it, by your desire to seek the unity of the Churches.
I would have to go to the Orthodox church anyway sometimes, cause my family is Orthodox. 😉
What you need to do is contact: Very Rev. Robert Hospodar, JCL. Call: 973-890-7777. Ask the secretary to transfer you to him and explain your situation. He is the chancellor for the Eparchy. He is a very nice, understanding person and will assist you in discerning your path, be sure to explain your situation. I have talked with him before and I was very impressed.
I am praying for you and again, be assured that not matter what Church you decide to join–the Catholic Church welcomes you home.
Make sure you contact Father Robert, he will help you. Let your pastor know what you are doing and you want to explore the Eastern Catholic Churches. He should encourage you to do so, since by law he is bound to notify the local Byzantine eparchy if he is receiving a member of the Eastern Orthodox Church.
In Christ,
thanks! 🙂

God bless.
 
Before you get more anxious, “offer up” your situation to our Lord, as we Latins often say, and know that He is in charge.

I hope you will take rah2009’s suggestion and contact the chancellor he mentions. You would be best served by talking with him, who is familiar with this process and can respond to all your concerns with knowledge and in a pastoral way. (There may well be bi-ritual priests in your own Diocese who would be well informed also. Your Diocese should have records of those priests.)

As for your Baptismal records, when none is available usually a couple of witnesses state they were present.

As you look back on this in years to come it may give you a greater sense of dedication to the East knowing from your personal experience how we in the West have failed in the call from our Holy Fathers to be custodians of these traditions and be deeply nourished by them.

Remember, you can be received into the Catholic Church at any Mass. It sounds like they have you plugged into the Easter Liturgy but that is not a requirement, in fact the Easter Liturgy is not the preferred time for reception because it is intended as the Mass for the unbaptized Catechumens, who are by then are the Elect, coming into the Christian life, tho many parishes have ended up combining these two groups. We have a candidate being received into the Church next weekend and another not yet scheduled for reception sometime soon.

I’m sure talking with chancellor Fr. Robert will help calm you and help direct you and those who are assisting you in your parish.

You have all the time you need to find peace in this process and a lifetime ahead to ever deepen in your faith as a Catholic.

Blessings
 
Seems to me that since he was baptised and chrismated Antiochian Orthodox, this fellow should normally translate to the Melkite Greek Catholic Church.
Other than to have brought to their attention that as an Orthodox person he was both Baptized and Chrismated I have not been involved. The DRE worked with folks in our Chancery who are designated to work with this. Of Antiochene Rite churches we have Melkites, Maronites, and Chaldeans locally. I don’t know any additional information as to why that decision was made, beyond that his family is from Lebanon.
 
Hi,
I was baptized and chrismated in the Russian Orthodox church… I took Communion there a couple of times but I wasn’t really practicing. I was a kid… then I became Protestant when I came to university. A year ago, I began to believe in the Sacraments again, and decided to come back… so I went and took Communion at the Orthodox church (only once), but then in a couple of months I began feeling lead to the Catholic Church, and now here I am 🙂 yea it’s sort of confusing. LOL.

As to being interested in practicing Eastern Catholicism… oki I’m not really sure… I like the Eastern liturgies and the spirituality, but everything about me is pretty much “Western”… like my whole approach. I mean both the theology and the prayers and the devotions I use…

God bless
OK, now it’s a little clearer.

Others in this thread have already explained how canon law works, and there’s no reason to repeat it now, except to say that you would technically be a member of the Russian CC which doesn’t really have its own jurisdiction in the US. In any case, though, there’s no problem for you to attend a Latin Rite church and receive the sacraments there.

While you technically should observe the calendar and customs of the Russian Church, and if you know them, that would be the proper thing to do. But if it’s a hardship to do that, or if you don’t know them in the first place, I doubt think you will incur “pain of sin” if you follow the norms of the Latin Church that you attend.

It is possible to petition for what used to be called a “change of Rite” (now it’s a change of Church sui juris). It’s not a big deal and involves only a little paper work that the pastor and/or bishop’s office will see to, but even so I suggest you wait a while before deciding to do that. For example, say that later on you decide that you really miss the Eastern DL and maybe find yourself in a place where there’s a church in the area. If you had done the change, you’d be in a worse position, since it is not normal to allow a change back. If, on the other hand, you did not do the change, you’d be fine. And in any case, as you’ve already seen in this thread, you are welcome to participate in the life of whichever Catholic parish you choose. There are thousands of Latins who do so in Eastern churches, and thousands of Easterners who do so in Latin churches.
 
Other than to have brought to their attention that as an Orthodox person he was both Baptized and Chrismated I have not been involved. The DRE worked with folks in our Chancery who are designated to work with this. Of Antiochene Rite churches we have Melkites, Maronites, and Chaldeans locally. I don’t know any additional information as to why that decision was made, beyond that his family is from Lebanon.
You might want to mention to these people that they can’t just arbitrarily pick and choose just because of the country his family came from. (By the way, there are Melkites in Lebanon too.) If the man was baptised and chrismated in the Antiocian Orthodox Church, which is Byzantine, he translates to the Melkite Greek Catholic Church, which is also Byzantine.

The Maronites, and Chaldeans come under the canonical header “Antiochene”, albeit that they are very different, and in practical terms have separate liturgical traditions. The Melkites, on the other hand, do not: they are Byzantine.
 
Well I know there is no dairy allowed on the Monday and Good Friday, but other than that, dairy is still allowed. I didn’t think there was a fast requirement at all and that it just involved abstaining from dairy and meat or just meat depending on the day.
Patchunky seems to ignore the Metropolitan’s and the Bishops’ relaxations from traditional Ruthenian Fasting.

Which is:
Hard Liner: No meat, milk, eggs, nor salt throughout Great Lent
Customary: No meat, milk, eggs, nor salt on wednesdays and fridays, nor on the first monday, of Great Lent. Also, no meat on any friday.
Minimal: No meat on wednesdays nor fridays, nor the first monday, of great lent. (Ep. of Van Nuys)
Typical: No meat, milk, nor eggs on wednesdays nor fridays of great lent, nor on the first monday of great lent.
 
Don’t forget, no eggs tooo…:tsktsk:
Wait - seriously? All these years I’ve been eating eggs thinking that was okay. . .or is the no eggs rule an Eastern thing?

EDIT -
Okay sounds like maybe that is an Eastern thing. AAA says eggs are okay for the Latin Rite.

I was really starting to wig out. Think I’ll go tiptoe out of the Eastern forum for now. . .😊
 
Wait - seriously? All these years I’ve been eating eggs thinking that was okay. . .or is the no eggs rule an Eastern thing?
For Ruthenian and Ukrainian Catholics, the 1st of Great and Holy Lent, Great Friday and Christmas Eve are days of STRICT FAST meaning no meat, no eggs and no dairy products.

Many will also keep Great Saturday (day before Paska/Easter Sunday) as a day of Strict Fast, this is an older custom that many have retained.

On Wednesdays and Fridays during Great and Holy Lent, there is no meat permited.

Among the Slavic Orthodox churches, no meat, no eggs and no dairy products are permitted AT ALL during Great and Holy Lent.

This custom has been eased somewhat among the OCA in this country.

Hope this helps…
 
Glory to Jesus Christ! Glory forever!

Dear sister in Christ,

Even as a religious you would not need to change Churches, you would just need permission to enter a Latin order from the Byzantine and Latin bishops who have jurisdiction in your domicile. The religious order you would investigate will help you with this detail.

Also, I know the old saying “there are too many cooks in the kitchen” fits well for this subject. The best thing for your to do is call Father Robert or schedule an appointment to talk to him over the phone with his secretary about these issues. I and others here will give you our prayers and advice.

In regard to your icon corner, my godmother used to have both statues and icons and I know several Roman Catholics who have home altars that are a mix of Eastern, Western, and Oriental Orthodox traditions. Now, my icon corner has only icons and crucifixes on the wall before the home altar or table, but since you desire to practice as a Roman Catholic you can make your prayer corner devotionally how you would like it to be with statues and all. Some like very extravagant icon/prayer corners and some are very simple, it is usually a personal preference or family tradition. A good thing would be for your Orthodox family to come pray with you in front of your prayer corner sometimes, since you will still be in contact with them after your profession of faith. I mention this because some practicing Orthodox families cut off their children when they convert to Catholicism–you are lucky in that department–be thankful.

Also, you mentioned that you were baptized in the Russian Orthodox Church. Do you know if it was the Orthodox Church in America, the Russian Orthodox Church outside of Russia, or the Patriarchal Church in the USA? If it was the OCA you can settle in to basically any slavic Eastern Catholic Church, Ruthenian, Ukrainian, Hungarian, etc–since if you study the history of the OCA most of their people were at one time Ruthenian Catholics ala a priest named Fr. Alexis Toth, now St. Alexis of Wilkes-Barre–you can google him. If it was the ROCOR or the Patriarchal mission in the USA then you would be automatically enrolled in the Byzantine-Russian Catholic Church, in that case contact Rev. Hieromonk Eugene Ludwig of Our Lady of Fatima Russian Catholic Church, Phone: 415-752-2052.

Again, ask Father Robert about this. He will answer many of your questions.

Being Eastern Catholic gives you the opportunity to be a bridge between the Eastern Orthodox Church and the Catholic Churches in union with Rome. Get active in ecumenical activities between Catholic and Orthodox Churches. Support the Church in the East. Do social justice work for the small Churches, both Catholic and Orthodox, that are suffering in Eastern and Western Europe and in all parts of the world. A good organization to support is the Catholic Near East Welfare Association: cnewa.org/home-us.aspx check it out. Also, you can adopt a small Eastern Catholic Church in the US and send monthly support that way also. Some good reading for you first and foremost is the Vatican II Decree on the Eastern Churches:

vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_decree_19641121_orientalium-ecclesiarum_en.html

and

The Light of the East letter of Pope John Paul II:

vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/apost_letters/documents/hf_jp-ii_apl_02051995_orientale-lumen_en.html

All Catholics of whatever Church united to Rome need to read the Vatican II documents and post-conciliar documents on the Eastern Catholic Churches.

Another important text to know is the Eastern Code of Canon Law:

intratext.com/X/ENG1199.HTM

Again, years down the line, after you have fully investigated your Byzantine Catholic traditions, and decide that you definately do not want to be a member of that Church, then apply to change Churches if you so wish. One priest told me a story about Byzantine Catholics who mistakenly think they are Latin Catholic once they are received by a Latin pastor, (which is fairly common) that they are like a poor man who has received a great inheritance, but have not been told how to appropriate it. You have a great treasure in your heart from your Eastern tradition and even though you never knew its value, it has the power to change your life forever and make you spiritually rich beyond your knowing.

All of the Catholic Churches in union with Rome can give you many gifts, but God has given you, in a special way, a glorious connection through baptism and chrismation to the Eastern Orthodox Church and after your profession of faith to the Byzantine Catholic Church–never forget that gift–unrap it, use it. Remember becoming Catholic does not mean you have left the Eastern Orthodox Church–you will enter the complexity of being in communion with the Pope of Rome, which means communion with many Churches, Latin, Byzantine, Oriental, and Maronite-- which have a great treasure of traditions and spirituality to offer you. Take them all in, don’t be limited, but “know where you come from”–that way you will know where you are going and who you will become in the Kingdom of God.

Thank you for reading my long letter.

Again, you are in my prayers.

In the Theotokos, (Greek for God Bearer or Mother of God)

Robert
 
Thanks, Patchunky.
sure, anytime…

there are a lot of good recipes in some of the Serbian cookbooks for good Lenten dishes… meatless stuffed cabbage, non-dairy desserts using oatmeal and apples, some really good salads…

One of my favs is made with 3 kinds of kidney beans and sauerkraut… YUM!!!
 
Patchunky seems to ignore the Metropolitan’s and the Bishops’ relaxations from traditional Ruthenian Fasting.

Which is:
Hard Liner: No meat, milk, eggs, nor salt throughout Great Lent
Customary: No meat, milk, eggs, nor salt on wednesdays and fridays, nor on the first monday, of Great Lent. Also, no meat on any friday.
Minimal: No meat on wednesdays nor fridays, nor the first monday, of great lent. (Ep. of Van Nuys)
Typical: No meat, milk, nor eggs on wednesdays nor fridays of great lent, nor on the first monday of great lent.
Too bad Aramis isn’t as Rutheniazed as he claims to be or he’d know that TRADITIONALLY, the usage of meat stopped on Meat-fare Sunday and the usage of eggs and dairy products stoped on Cheese-fare Sunday.

In this country, a modified fasting regimen has been approved by the Council of Hierarchs that forbids the use of meat, eggs and dairy products on the 1st Day of Great and Holy Lent and on Great and Holy Friday.

It does not permit the use of meat products on the Wednesdays and Fridays during Great and Holy Lent.

Some priests have taken it upon themselves to advise their parishoners against the use of shell fish and oil. This is NOT part of the Ruthenian Fasting tradition as it is from the Mediterranian culture and was NEVER used by the Ruthenian due to the lack of shell fish and olives in the Carpathian Mountains. It is also NOT approved by the Council of Hierarchs but is rather something “borrowed” from some Orthodox churches, kinda like a “Latinization” in reverse…

NOWHERE does it mention salt being FORBIDDEN during Fasting times… AMOF, in some monasteries, the only thing eaten was bread, salt and water during Great and Holy Lent…
 
Too bad …
Please don’t take this the wrong way. I’m not arguing, contradicting, or criticizing, but it seems you guys have gotten kind of way off-topic. On the other hand, it really is great fodder for a new thread. Think about it. It might be interesting and a lot of fun. 😉
 
Please don’t take this the wrong way. I’m not arguing, contradicting, or criticizing, but it seems you guys have gotten kind of way off-topic. On the other hand, it really is great fodder for a new thread. Think about it. It might be interesting and a lot of fun. 😉
I apologize to the group for getting so far off-topic.:byzsoc:

Everyone, please have a nice weekend!👍
 
You might want to mention to these people that they can’t just arbitrarily pick and choose just because of the country his family came from. (By the way, there are Melkites in Lebanon too.) If the man was baptised and chrismated in the Antiocian Orthodox Church, which is Byzantine, he translates to the Melkite Greek Catholic Church, which is also Byzantine.

The Maronites, and Chaldeans come under the canonical header “Antiochene”, albeit that they are very different, and in practical terms have separate liturgical traditions. The Melkites, on the other hand, do not: they are Byzantine.
Thanks for your comments. I can pass this on to our DRE. Those in our Chancery should know what they’re doing, we have a fair number of Eastern Churches, and of Orthodox, in this area and a good number of bi-ritual priests, as well as “the Bishop’s Representative to the Eastern Catholic Churches” (currently a bi-ritual Melkite Greek Catholic priest), and the “liaison to the Eastern Catholic Pastoral Association”. I was clear with my DRE that is was not about just picking and choosing.

I do not think he was baptized and chrismated in the Antiocian Orthodox Church. “Antioch” pretty much covers a huge area. Which tradition from Antioch he came from I have no idea, the DRE had all the specifics which went on to the Chancery. I’ll pass your comments back to my DRE.

The more I learn the less I know, which is why I was clear it needed to be someone who did know what they were doing who would handle it. Thanks, again.
 
Please don’t take this the wrong way. I’m not arguing, contradicting, or criticizing, but it seems you guys have gotten kind of way off-topic. On the other hand, it really is great fodder for a new thread. Think about it. It might be interesting and a lot of fun. 😉
To remain off topic a moment longer I ran across this today and thought it was good:

"Top Ten Signs You Might Be Russian Orthodox By ‘Dmitri Letterman’ 😃
#1 On Wednesdays and Fridays you eat Japanese food.

The other nine are all pretty good. You can equally replace Russian Orthodox with any number of Orthodox or Eastern Churches 🙂
tinyurl.com/kxwug
 
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