Confused and Amused

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As I have begun to read Threads on the various Forums I have to admit to feeling a little (a lot?) of both of the feelings in the Title above.

Most often my feelings of confusion arise out of those threads wherein individuals have made their point (often repeatedly!) and other individuals continue to rebut (equally as repeatedly!). At some point in time, someone needs to acknowledge that “we just agree to disagree” and move on. It is almost as if individuals feel whoever writes the most or writes the last post will be the “correct” one (or the “winner”).

While I was born and raised Catholic, I have not practiced nor affiliated myself with the Catholic Church for almost 4 decades. There are certainly many teachings of the Church I share but my being born into the faith and sharing SOME of those beliefs does not make me Catholic. My amusement arises from the repeated posts of those who describe themselves as “Catholic” but say they do not believe in all the teachings of the Church. Even though it has been many years for me, I still remember that the Church does not offer “options” to choose from. The Church is very clear and consistent on what Catholics must believe. When converts enter the Catholic Church they are not given a “menu of beliefs” to choose from. I find it amusing that some folks believe they can pick and choose what they would like to believe of the Church’s teachings, discard the rest and still call themselves Catholic. Just calling yourself something does not make you that thing. The Catholic Church defines who Catholics are; not individuals. Your actions will define you, not your words. If your actions are consistent with the teachings of the Catholic Church and you act consistently with those teachings to maintain your membership then you are Catholic. If your actions are inconsistent with the teachings of the Church, then you are NOT Catholic and you don’t maintain your Catholicism just because you call yourself one.
 
**Acts 11:26 The disciples were called Christians

Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control.**
 
Well said Mr Miller and welcome to the forums (and it appears home into a deeper faith! Glory Be To God!).
Acts 11:26 The disciples were called Christians
Sure they were, but that is not what they called themselves, even in that verse.:rotfl:

In fact, if you knew your New Testament Greek like you should you’d find yourself translating the following. εκκλησια καθ ολης in Acts 9:31
Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control.
All the wonderful fruits of the Holy Spirit that I find so often in all my Catholic brothers and sisters and most especially in all the holy priests that I know. 👍
 
If your actions are consistent with the teachings of the Catholic Church and you act consistently with those teachings to maintain your membership then you are Catholic. If your actions are inconsistent with the teachings of the Church, then you are NOT Catholic and you don’t maintain your Catholicism just because you call yourself one.
This reminds me of another thread (What Makes a Catholic, “Catholic”?) in the Traditional Catholicism forum.

I posted a reply there that I would like to copy here:

"Once a person is baptized in the Catholic Church, they may be considered Catholic, because they have received the first of the sacraments. Once these folks have made their Sacraments of Initiation (Baptism, First Communion, Confirmation), they are full members of the Catholic Church.

If they miss Mass, do not follow fast/abstinence obligations, avoid Confession, decline to financially support the Church, etc, etc, etc, that does NOT make them unCatholic. It DOES make them sinners. It is your responsibility to bring Christ to the world through evangelization and catechisis. It is not your place to pass judgement on them or to police their actions."

I find it amusing that some folks believe they can pick and choose what they would like to believe of the Church’s teachings, discard the rest and still call themselves Catholic.
I understand your frustration, but instead of being amused, which comes across as condescending, you should remember that people who “pick and choose” are usually poorly catechized, and never learned or don’t understand how these teachings of the Church are based on the teachings of Christ. And if they have Christ in their life, then once they learn and understand the Truth, they realize what they need to do. If not, then here is the opportunity to evangelize, to bring Christ to them on a personal level. All this isn’t done overnight, of course. It’s an on-going effort to bring folks, with God’s grace, to a daily and full conversion to Christ.
 
Acts 11:26 The disciples were called Christians

Paul called them Ephesians 1:1 the saints
But that is not the name that they called themselves.

Look it up for yourself…don’t take my word for it!

In fact, if you knew your New Testament Greek like you should you’d find yourself translating the following. εκκλησια καθ ολης in Acts 9:31

And then maybe you can take a few moments to read what the saints wrote to each other as they led the church during the 1st & 2nd centuries.

Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude[of the people] also be; by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude[of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. (LINK)

Ignatius of Antioch was a close friend and disciple of St. John and was the bishop of the church at Antioch until he was captured and taken to Rome to be martyred by being thrown to wild animals. He wrote the above just a few years after the death of the last apostle, St. John.
 
But that is not the name that they called themselves.

Look it up for yourself…don’t take my word for it!

In fact, if you knew your New Testament Greek like you should you’d find yourself translating the following. εκκλησια καθ ολης in Acts 9:31

And then maybe you can take a few moments to read what the saints wrote to each other as they led the church during the 1st & 2nd centuries.

Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude[of the people] also be; by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude[of the people] also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. (LINK)

Ignatius of Antioch was a close friend and disciple of St. John and was the bishop of the church at Antioch until he was captured and taken to Rome to be martyred by being thrown to wild animals. He wrote the above just a few years after the death of the last apostle, St. John.
**The inspired word of God says that they were saints (Ephesians 1:1).

Only God’s opinion does matter. What they thought of themselves was irrelevant. **
 
**The inspired word of God says that they were saints (Ephesians 1:1).

Only God’s opinion does matter. What they thought of themselves was irrelevant. **
The lengths some of our non-Catholic brethren go! To even deny the Apostles! :eek:
 
**The inspired word of God says that they were saints (Ephesians 1:1).

Only God’s opinion does matter. What they thought of themselves was irrelevant.
**
The lengths some of our non-Catholic brethren go! To even deny the Apostles! :eek:
What makes you think that I deny, what the original apostles wrote?
 
**The inspired word of God says that they were saints (Ephesians 1:1).

Only God’s opinion does matter. What they thought of themselves was irrelevant.
**

What makes you think that I deny, what the original apostles wrote?
Anywho…you have completey hijacked this thread…🤷
 
Having been derailed from its topic this thread is now closed.
 
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