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Long_Islander
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if a permanent deacon was ordained and had second thoughts and has lost faith after what can be done. Also wife didn’t want to sign lettter but was forced to. Is ordination still valid?
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I would think that the deacon’s intention at the time of the ordination is what matters, not what he decides afterward.
I’m not sure if the wife’s agreement is necessary for the validity of the ordination. I wouldn’t think so. Such an ordination *might *be considered illicit but I doubt it would be invalid for just that reason.
But this is just my guess. Someone will probably come along and site the appropriate canons or diocesan rules.
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JReducation
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The law is that the ordination is valid if the intention of the bishop was to ordain and the intention of the candidate was to be ordained.
The wife’s permission is necessary for the sake of peace, not for the sake of validity.
If the deacon has second thoughts about his ordination, the only thing that he can do is ask to be laicized. If he is laicized, he will participate in the sacraments AS IF he were a lay man. The truth is that he will never be a layman again. He is a cleric until death. The Sacrament of Holy Orders cannot be undone.
If he is denied his request, he must remain in the diaconate until the day that he dies, just like any other member of the clergy.
Fraternally,
Br. JR, OSF
The wife’s permission is necessary for the sake of peace, not for the sake of validity.
If the deacon has second thoughts about his ordination, the only thing that he can do is ask to be laicized. If he is laicized, he will participate in the sacraments AS IF he were a lay man. The truth is that he will never be a layman again. He is a cleric until death. The Sacrament of Holy Orders cannot be undone.
If he is denied his request, he must remain in the diaconate until the day that he dies, just like any other member of the clergy.
Fraternally,
Br. JR, OSF
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WatchingMedia
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Contact your Priest or Bishop for accurate answer. Didn’t you get the proper books on Canon law, etc when you were ordained a Deacon ?
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puzzleannie
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the wife cannot be forced, dioceses just don’t do that, what on earth does that mean? he put a gun to her head? and what has his wife to do with his loss of faith? whether she agreed or not has no bearing on whether his sacrament was valid.
the ordination’s validity depends on the words and actions of the bishop who ordained him not on the person who received the sacrament. Yes he is a permanent deacon and would have to petition the bishop to be returned to lay state and be relieved of those obligations, as would a priest. The mark of ordination is indelible however on the soul.
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Digitonomy
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"JReducation:
Assuming that JReducation is saying the validity is dependent on the intention of the candidate, only one of these statements can be correct.
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dashso40
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Why have you lost your faith? Can you talk to someone? Please, everyone questions their faith at some time… Don’t give up. We have a great deacon in our parish. Your name says long islander. I’m from long island, please talk with someone…Good luck
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Brendan
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Actually, it would be the bishop’s intention (as the minister) and the deacon’s consent (as the matter) that would determine the validity.
The wife’s letter would simply affect the licity of the ordination, not the validity.
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