Confusion and Fear about Christian Eschatology

[Hume]

Hume:

Either way, regardless of the reasoning, Paul was dead before the gospel writers began Mark.

That’s a nice story – and it was all the rage decades ago – but the “no earlier than 80AD” theory is…

Not what I’m referring to.

Mark probably came first. And it was probably written in the late 60s. Same time Paul died.

As Jesus was likely born in the year 3 or 4BC (interestingly), this would have put his death at roughly 30 or 31AD.

Jesus was dead for three decades before the first gospel of Mark was likely produced.

If they were written in the late 60’s A.D., then that’s less than 30 years from Jesus’ crucifixion. A man of Jesus’ age would have been less than 60. Not too far-fetched.

3BC + 33 years of life would be 31 AD or so. You need an additional 34 years to get to 65AD.
The disciples could have been as young a 13 when they were recruited (any younger and he’d have needed the permission of their fathers).

So if they were 16 at the time of Jesus’s death, 34 years later they’d be 50. (16+34=50)

If they were roughly Jesus’s age, they’d have been 67 (33+34=67)

(John was probably written late in the first century, by this train of thought… and still not unbelievable for a long-lived eyewitness.)

That’s true, but it’s only written in the 1st century if you want to give it the earliest possible date it could have been written by. John would have likely been in his 80s or 90s. Possible, but difficult to obtain, particularly for someone not born into wealth.

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If you want to know what I’m basing my dates on, how about asking me next time rather than just assuming I’m using a date that I’m not using? Hmmm?

 

[Cathoholic]

KingDavid . . .

In context, these passages seem to me to speak about the destruction of the Second Temple, not really the actual End of Time.

That is accurate.

But if you stop there, we would be falling into the error of the preterist.

We look and see what happened to Jesus the Christ back 2000 years ago, and see that as ONE layer of fulfillment of the Old Testament. (There are other layers that I won’t touch on here too.)

The Church will ALSO proverbially go through an agony, a scourging, a crowning with thorns, and a carrying of the Cross.

The Church especially follows Her Lord to the Crucifixion. (Will people be literally crucifying Christians en masse toward the end of the world? I don’t know.)

The Church must follow in the footsteps of Her Lord and Master Jesus Christ.

And between then (2000 years ago) . . .
. . . and until the end of time (x number of years from now),
there will be a multitude of “mini-fulfillments” of this paradigm too.

CCC 675 Before Christ’s second coming the Church must pass through a final trial that will shake the faith of many believers.574 The persecution that accompanies her pilgrimage on earth575 will unveil the “mystery of iniquity” in the form of a religious deception offering men an apparent solution to their problems at the price of apostasy from the truth. The supreme religious deception is that of the Antichrist, a pseudo-messianism by which man glorifies himself in place of God and of his Messiah come in the flesh.576

CCC 676 The Antichrist’s deception already begins to take shape in the world every time the claim is made to realize within history that messianic hope which can only be realized beyond history through the eschatological judgment. The Church has rejected even modified forms of this falsification of the kingdom to come under the name of millenarianism,577 especially the “intrinsically perverse” political form of a secular messianism.578

CCC 677 The Church will enter the glory of the kingdom only through this final Passover, when she will follow her Lord in his death and Resurrection.579 The kingdom will be fulfilled, then, not by a historic triumph of the Church through a progressive ascendancy, but **only by God’s victory over the final unleashing of evil, which will cause his Bride to come down from heaven.**580 God’s triumph over the revolt of evil will take the form of the Last Judgment after the final cosmic upheaval of this passing world.581

Hope this helps.

God bless.

Cathoholic

 

[Gorgias]

If you want to know what I’m basing my dates on, how about asking me next time rather than just assuming I’m using a date that I’m not using? Hmmm?

Because you provided sufficient info and I responded to it, maybe?

 

[Carmel]

In context, these passages seem to me to speak about the destruction of the Second Temple, not really the actual End of Time. When they talk of “the end of the age” couldn’t that mean the end of the Ancient World and the transition to the Middle Ages (the golden millennium of Christianity)? That is, weren’t be Middle Ages really the Millennium Kingdom after all? Couldn’t the “Sign of the Son of Man appearing in the skies” refer to the vision of Emperor Constantine The Great (the Chi Rho in the skies)?

The reason that the destruction of the Temple is linked to the end times is that the Temple
was a ’ type ’ of the world. So Jesus seems to move back and forth between the
destruction of the Temple which took place in 70 AD and the still future ‘end of the
world.’ Yes, Scott Hahn has called the milennium the apx. one thousand years of
the golden age of the Church.
BG could certainly be part of the beast system specially , as well as possible
enforced vaccine I’ve heard that there’s also a identity implant in the pipeline.
Trunews website has done a number of articles about these topics.
For those of us who feel a bit nervous ( including mysel ) we should remember the words of Christ " When all of these things begin to come to pass, look up and rejoice, for your deliverance is at hand "

 

[EndTimes]

Mark probably came first. And it was probably written in the late 60s. Same time Paul died.

A double Probably: Who and When
Show us the data?