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I have so much confusion towards the catholic church. I myself am catholic and have been since birth. But I am often confused if being catholic is the right way. Ive been reading the bible and feel like the catholic church contradicts it. For ex, we shouldn’t be bowing to anything or anyone but God himself. And Jesus is the one mediator between God and man so why do we pray to Mary? and the bible says we shouldn’t refrain from marriage or eating meats but we do so in the catholic church. and the t says we shouldn’t have any images or statues of people in heaven or on earth. Also what is it about when we pray to saints which are really dead people? Maybe I’m not interpreting correctly im soo confused. help!!:confused::confused:
 
lady3lla, I think you’ve come to the right place.
You have many questions, it might be easier to concentrate on one at a time.
To me, it sounds as if you have been influenced by non-Catholic fundamentalists, is that the case?
I think that these scriptural passages have been taken out of context. We need the Church’s aid in authentic interpretation of scripture.

These topics fall under the Apologetics heading in the Forums listing.

Don’t worry! You’ll be in for some very good news!
 
I have so much confusion towards the catholic church. I myself am catholic and have been since birth. But I am often confused if being catholic is the right way. Ive been reading the bible and feel like the catholic church contradicts it. For ex, we shouldn’t be bowing to anything or anyone but God himself. And Jesus is the one mediator between God and man so why do we pray to Mary? and the bible says we shouldn’t refrain from marriage or eating meats but we do so in the catholic church. and the t says we shouldn’t have any images or statues of people in heaven or on earth. Also what is it about when we pray to saints which are really dead people? Maybe I’m not interpreting correctly im soo confused. help!!:confused::confused:
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Let’s try to bring some light to your confusion.
Point 1.

Bowing, let’s read what it means:
Bowing (also called stooping) is the act of lowering the torso and head as a social gesture in direction to another person or symbol. It is most prominent in Asian cultures but it is also typical of nobility and aristocracy in many countries and distinctively in Europe. Sometimes the gesture may be limited to lowering the head such as in Indonesia, and in many cultures several degrees of the lowness of the bow are distinguished and regarded as appropriate for different circumstances. It is especially prominent in China, Korea, Taiwan, Japan, and Vietnam where it may be executed standing or kneeling. Some bows are performed equally by two or more people while others are unequal - the person bowed to either does not bow in return or performs a less low bow in response. A nod of the head may be regarded as the minimal form of bow; forms of kneeling, genuflection, or prostration which involves the hands or whole body touching the ground, are the next levels of gesture.
So you see that bowing in front of a symbol is NOT equal to “Worship or Adoration” which we Catholics ONLY give to GOD!
I’ll give you an example, a young guy kneels in front a woman and gives her a ring asking her to marry him.
Is he giving worship to the woman? Of course not he is giving honour to her.
Soo you see bowing is not what protestants would like you to believe.
How can you bow in front of GOD? where would you bow since He is nowhere and everywhere. Therefore Adoration to GOD cannot be given by bowing, but through your heart.

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I have so much confusion towards the catholic church. I myself am catholic and have been since birth. But I am often confused if being catholic is the right way. Ive been reading the bible and feel like the catholic church contradicts it. For ex, we shouldn’t be bowing to anything or anyone but God himself. And Jesus is the one mediator between God and man so why do we pray to Mary? and the bible says we shouldn’t refrain from marriage or eating meats but we do so in the catholic church. and the t says we shouldn’t have any images or statues of people in heaven or on earth. Also what is it about when we pray to saints which are really dead people? Maybe I’m not interpreting correctly im soo confused. help!!:confused::confused:
My, my, you are confused.

To get you started, these should hopefully help clear things up a bit:
catholic.com/tracts/praying-to-the-saints
catholic.com/tracts/saint-worship
catholic.com/tracts/do-catholics-worship-statues
catholic.com/tracts/celibacy-and-the-priesthood

Hope these help, if not, we can address things further.
 
While there are answers for each of those in turn, lady3lla, your very premise is backwards. The Bible as it is today is the book of the Church. It would not have came to be without Latins in the west who would be known as Catholics today just as it wouldn’t be without the Greeks in the east who would be known today as Orthodox. The Holy Father in Rome was consulted on the very books which comprise it.

Holy Scripture is a major portion of our faith, but alone neglects the glorious Apostolic traditions passed on from the Disciples taught by Our Lord Himself, who passed on what they learned to their own students and prospered in the face of persecution and heresy that rose against them.
 
Also, the earliest record we have when the Christian Church was called the Catholic Church was latest 110 AD by St. Ignatius of Antioch, the very same Antioch in which the people of Christ were first called Christians.

The Catholic Church is the original Christian Church founded by Christ. And Christ said that he would protect his Church, and he continues to do so today.
 
I have so much confusion towards the catholic church. I myself am catholic and have been since birth. But I am often confused if being catholic is the right way. Ive been reading the bible and feel like the catholic church contradicts it. For ex, we shouldn’t be bowing to anything or anyone but God himself. And Jesus is the one mediator between God and man so why do we pray to Mary? and the bible says we shouldn’t refrain from marriage or eating meats but we do so in the catholic church. and the t says we shouldn’t have any images or statues of people in heaven or on earth. Also what is it about when we pray to saints which are really dead people? Maybe I’m not interpreting correctly im soo confused. help!!:confused::confused:
Welcome! :tiphat:

Are you familiar with the CCC?

If not, here’s a LINK ( just click on “LINK” and it will take you to the CCC)

The CCC contains a brief, but thorough explanation of the Catholic faith.

I can assure you that if you read and really dig into the CCC, you will gain a great deal of knowledge about the very things that you are asking about here. 👍

God bless you.
 
I have so much confusion towards the catholic church. I myself am catholic and have been since birth. But I am often confused if being catholic is the right way. Ive been reading the bible and feel like the catholic church contradicts it. For ex, we shouldn’t be bowing to anything or anyone but God himself. And Jesus is the one mediator between God and man so why do we pray to Mary? and the bible says we shouldn’t refrain from marriage or eating meats but we do so in the catholic church. and the t says we shouldn’t have any images or statues of people in heaven or on earth. Also what is it about when we pray to saints which are really dead people? Maybe I’m not interpreting correctly im soo confused. help!!:confused::confused:
The purpose of the Catholic Church is to guard the deposit of Divine Revelation as handed on to Her through Tradition under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. The Bible is a part of this Tradition but it must be interpreted in accordance with the teachings of the Church. You may and should read the Catechism of the Catholic Church. Here it is :

vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P27.HTM

Linus2nd
 
I can understand how you feel. As a convert to the RCC, i was confused for a long time until i earnestly began to try to learn more of the Faith.
I was on a pilgrammage a few years ago, and by the strangest coincidence stumbled across a little booklet written by a lady who had a deeply moving experience of the Holy Mass.
We are blessed that she has shared her experience with us. The booklet can be read here:

michaeljournal.org/holymass.htm

After reading this, i think you will see the Mass (and Catholicism) in a new light. You may want to print it out because you will be reading it more than once !

In my opinion, this should be required reading for ALL Catholics !
 
I have so much confusion towards the catholic church. I myself am catholic and have been since birth. But I am often confused if being catholic is the right way. Ive been reading the bible and feel like the catholic church contradicts it. For ex, we shouldn’t be bowing to anything or anyone but God himself. And Jesus is the one mediator between God and man so why do we pray to Mary? and the bible says we shouldn’t refrain from marriage or eating meats but we do so in the catholic church. and the t says we shouldn’t have any images or statues of people in heaven or on earth. Also what is it about when we pray to saints which are really dead people? Maybe I’m not interpreting correctly im soo confused. help!!:confused::confused:
I’d recommend exploring the Catholic.com Library (also available in the tab at the top of the page), and then coming back to ask specific questions.

Or to start a new thread for each specific question that you have. 🙂
 
I have so much confusion towards the catholic church. I myself am catholic and have been since birth. But I am often confused if being catholic is the right way. Ive been reading the bible and feel like the catholic church contradicts it.
Welcome. I hope you learn much. Hopefully you will be open to learning just how flawed your understanding of the Bible and the Christian faith is.
For ex, we shouldn’t be bowing to anything or anyone but God himself.
Abraham bowing to the three angels who appeared to him
*Genesis 18:1 The LORD appeared to Abraham by the oak of Mamre, as he sat in the entrance of his tent, while the day was growing hot. 2 Looking up, he saw three men standing near him. When he saw them, he ran from the entrance of the tent to greet them; **and bowing to the ground, *3 he said: “Sir, if it please you, do not go on past your servant.
And Jesus is the one mediator between God and man so why do we pray to Mary?
We are to pray for one another
James 5:16 Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The fervent prayer of a righteous person is very powerful.

The saints in Heaven take our prayers to God
Revelation 5:8 When he took it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each of the elders held a harp and gold bowls filled with incense, which are the prayers of the holy ones.
Revelation 8:3 Another angel came and stood at the altar, holding a gold censer. He was given a great quantity of incense to offer, along with the prayers of all the holy ones, on the gold altar that was before the throne. 4 The smoke of the incense along with the prayers of the holy ones went up before God from the hand of the angel.

and the bible says we shouldn’t refrain from marriage or eating meats but we do so in the catholic church.
Jesus and St. Paul disagree with you, and think some people are called to celibacy
1 Cor 7:7 Indeed, I wish everyone to be as I am, but each has a particular gift from God, one of one kind and one of another. 8 Now to the unmarried and to widows, I say:* it is a good thing for them to remain as they are, as I do**, 9 but if they cannot exercise self-control they should marry, for it is better to marry than to be on fire.
Matthew 19:12 Some are incapable of marriage because they were born so; some, because they were made so by others; some, because they have renounced marriage for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Whoever can accept this ought to accept it.”*

The Church restricting eating certain meats
Acts 15:28 ‘It is the decision of the holy Spirit and of us not to place on you any burden beyond these necessities, 29 namely, to abstain from meat sacrificed to idols, from blood, from meats of strangled animals, and from unlawful marriage. If you keep free of these, you will be doing what is right. Farewell.’”

Jesus telling us how we are to act WHEN we fast (not IF)
Matthew 6:16 “When you fast, do not look gloomy like the hypocrites. They neglect their appearance, so that they may appear to others to be fasting. Amen, I say to you, they have received their reward. 17 But when you fast, anoint your head and wash your face.
and the t says we shouldn’t have any images or statues of people in heaven or on earth.
Animal on earth
Numbers 21:7 Then the people came to Moses and said, “We have sinned in complaining against the LORD and you. Pray to the LORD to take the serpents from us.” So Moses prayed for the people, 8 and the LORD said to Moses: Make a seraph and mount it on a pole, and everyone who has been bitten will look at it and recover. 9 Accordingly Moses made a bronze serpent and mounted it on a pole, and whenever the serpent bit someone, the person looked at the bronze serpent and recovered.

Crucifix (note, the Galatians were not present at Calvary, so they couldn’t have personally seen the Crucifixion, so this must reference a crucifix)
Galatians 3:1 O stupid Galatians! Who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified?

Image of angels in Heaven
*Exodus 25:18 Make **two cherubim **of beaten gold for the two ends of the cover; 19 make one cherub at one end, and the other at the other end, of one piece with the cover, at each end. 20 The cherubim shall have their wings spread out above, sheltering the cover with them; they shall face each other, with **their faces looking toward the cover. 21 This cover you shall then place on top of the ark. In the ark itself you are to put the covenant which I will give you. 22 There I will meet you and there, from above the cover, between the two cherubim *on the ark of the covenant, I will tell you all that I command you regarding the Israelites.
 
Also what is it about when we pray to saints which are really dead people?
God is God of the living, not of the dead
Mark 12:24 Jesus said to them, “Are you not misled because you do not know the scriptures or the power of God? 25 When they rise from the dead, they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but they are like the angels in heaven. 26 As for the dead being raised, have you not read in the Book of Moses, in the passage about the bush, how God told him, ‘I am the God of Abraham, [the] God of Isaac, and [the] God of Jacob’? 27 He is not God of the dead but of the living. You are greatly misled.”

We are surrounded by witnesses. Witnesses cannot be dead, and they MUST be alert and aware of what is going on.
Hebrews 12:1 Therefore, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us rid ourselves of every burden and sin that clings to us and persevere in running the race that lies before us
Maybe I’m not interpreting correctly im soo confused. help!!:confused::confused:
Rely on the Church, not on your own understanding. The Church is the pillar and foundation of the truth, and Jesus has promised that the gate of hell will not prevail against His Church.
 
I have so much confusion towards the catholic church. I myself am catholic and have been since birth. But I am often confused if being catholic is the right way. Ive been reading the bible and feel like the catholic church contradicts it. For ex, we shouldn’t be bowing to anything or anyone but God himself. And Jesus is the one mediator between God and man so why do we pray to Mary? and the bible says we shouldn’t refrain from marriage or eating meats but we do so in the catholic church. and the t says we shouldn’t have any images or statues of people in heaven or on earth. Also what is it about when we pray to saints which are really dead people? Maybe I’m not interpreting correctly im soo confused. help!!:confused::confused:
Saints are dead people?

Aren’t they fully alive in God’s presence, glorified? arguably they are more alive than us!

Put down the fundamentalist garbage. I was fundamentalist for many years and I am now in RCIA, Fundamentalist Protestantism is full of many lies and heresies.

Hebrews 12

22 But you have come to Mount Zion, to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly, 23 to the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God, the Judge of all, to the spirits of the righteous made perfect, 24 to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.

Rev 5:8

And when he had taken it, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp and they were holding golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of God’s people.
 
Welcome to the forums! 🙂

Hopefully we can help you out, but I highly recommend checking out Catholic Answer’s tracts here on their website, since they can go deeper.
  1. ** Bowing and statues.** Yes it’s true, that the first commandment says not to bow down and worship any idol. But it’s not the physical posture of bowing down that is sinful, but the intention behind it. We can know this because there are several places in the Bible where people bow down to someone other than God, and they are not considered idolatrous. For example, Jacob in Genesis 33:3 bows down before Esau, and Bathsheba in 1 Kings 1:16 bows down to King David. They are not worshipping them in these situations, but they are showing honor. And finally, look what Jesus himself says in Revelation:
Behold, I will make those of the synagogue of Satan, who say they are Jews and are not, but lie-behold I will make them come and bow down before your feet and learn that I have loved you. (Rev 3:9)
Jesus here says he will make unbelievers bow at believers feet! If bowing was inherently sinful, then Jesus would never do that, otherwise he would be causing people to sin! Rather, it’s the intention behind the action that makes it right or wrong. When Catholics bow to a statue or anything, they are not worshipping it, they are showing respect to the person that the image represents. That’s it. 👍

With regards to statues, it’s the same principle. It’s not the making of statues themselves that is the issue, but the worship of them. If statues were indiscriminately condemned, then God contradicts himself because He commands Moses to make a brazen serpent in Num 21, and to make to enormous statues of angels on the Ark of the Covenant in Ex 25. Those are both “graven images” yet God commands them to be made. So again, the statues aren’t bad in and of themselves, they serve as visual reminders. It’s when someone worships them that the issue comes. But I can confidently say I’ve yet to meet a Catholic who worships a statue. 🙂
  1. Jesus is the one mediator, and yet why do we we pray to Mary? Here’s the simple answer. If I asked you to pray for me, would that take away from Christ’s unique mediation?? No, of course not. But that is literally all we are doing when we pray to Mary or the saints.
The reason we can intercede for each other is because we are all part of the body of Christ. And Christ works through his members, by answering the prayers one member makes on behalf of another, among other ways.

Catholics absolutely believe that Christ is our only mediator. But by praying to Mary or the saints, we are simply asking them to take our petitions to God, to intercede for us. Interestingly, right before St. Paul says that Jesus is our one mediator, he says this,
First of all, I urge that prayers, supplications, intercessions and thanksgivings be made for all men.(1 Tim 2:1)
We’re supposed to pray for one another. And that doesn’t end after death. In fact, the righteous in heaven will WANT to pray for us more, because their love is perfected in heaven, they won’t forget about us. Check out Rev 5:8, here we see the twenty four elders, who are human beings, in heaven. And they are holding bowls of incense, which the bible says are “the prayers of the saints.” This incense is going up to the throne of God. That’s a perfect visual description of the intercession of the saints. We see the angels doing the same thing in Rev 8:3-5 as well.

But back to the image of the body of Christ. We are all united to each other in Christ. As St. Paul says
As it is, there are many parts, yet one body. The eye cannot say to the hand, “I have no need of you” nor again the head to the feet, “I have no need of you”. On the contrary, the parts of the body which seem to be weaker are indispensable. (1 Cor 12:20-22)
We need ALL the members of the body of Christ, not just some, according to Paul, and that includes the saints in heaven. Remember, there is only one body of Christ. There aren’t two bodies, one on earth and one in heaven.

However, this interceding is not done apart from Christ, as a separate mediation, but in him, with him, and through him. And since James says, “the prayer of a righteous man has great power in its effect” (Jam 5:16) and since the saints in heaven are the most righteous of all, because they see God face to face, for as the bible says again, when we see God we “will be like him, for we will see him as he is.” (1 Jn 3:2) With all this in mind, we should take advantage of their intercession! Again this doesn’t take away from Christ, because it’s only by his power that we can do that at all. But it is something He wants, He wants all the members of His body helping each other.:yup:

Continued…
 
Finally, about not abstaining from meat or marriages, there’s a few things here.

For one, the Bible never actually says anywhere that we are positively NOT to abstain from meat or marriage. Nope, nowhere. In fact, Jesus suggests celibacy, as does St. Paul. (1 Cor 7:32-35, 38. Lk 18:29-30, Mt 19:12) Jesus also gives advice on how to fast in Mt 6:16-18, and the apostles at Jerusalem in Acts 15 forbid certain foods to be eaten by Christians. One of those things was “meat sacrificed to idols.” (Acts 15:29) So are the apostles doing something wrong here? No. What Paul was condemning was the practice of forbidding meat and marriage out of a false sense of purity. The Catholic Church doesn’t do this. She doesn’t forbid marriage at all for one, it’s a sacrament in fact! Priest’s take a vow of celibacy, in imitation of Christ and St. Paul, but that’s nowhere near the same thing as what Paul was talking about.

We can get a hint of what specifically Paul was condemning if we look at the end of his letter to Timothy, when he says this,
O Timothy, guard what has been entrusted to you. Avoid godless chatter and contradictions of what is falsely called knowledge, for by doing so some have missed the mark towards the faith. (1 Tim 6:20)
That bolded part is the interesting part. The Greek word for knowledge is “gnosis” and this is where the ancient heresy Gnosticism gets it’s name. One of the things Gnosticism teaches is that matter is evil. So, guess what they did? They forbade the eating of meat and marriage. Meat because that was thought of as putting more evil matter into your body, and marriage because marriage brings children, more evil matter, into the world. This makes much more sense why Paul would say, after he says some false teachers will forbid marriage and certain foods,
For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving. (1 Tim 4:4)
The Gnostics taught that NOT everything created is good. That matter is intrinsically evil. Catholicism on the other hand, teaches exactly what St. Paul says, that everything made by God is good, and sometimes we fast from them, but that’s BECAUSE these things are good. Not because they are evil.

Anyway, I hope that wasn’t too much information at once. 🙂 Definitely check out Catholic Answers site though. You’ll find a lot to help you out.

God bless!
 
I have so much confusion towards the catholic church. I myself am catholic and have been since birth. But I am often confused if being catholic is the right way.
Welcome to the forums. A seeking heart is a good thing but you do realize you will not necessarily find the correct answers on an internet forum. This site is loaded with good references, but alas, much reading and praying and rejecting of false opinions is necessary, and without putting forth that effort, not much good fruit can be obtained.

But the Catholic faith is resplendent with priceless treasures if you’re into a little digging! It sounds like you should start with the basics.

ewtn.com/faith/teachings/churmenu.htm

I hope you like to read. And with prayer, a fire will be ignited and you will not find the faith boring at all. God loves to touch and mold an open heart and will lead you into a new world.

Blessings!
 
Abraham bowing to the three angels who appeared to him
*Genesis 18:1 The LORD appeared to Abraham by the oak of Mamre, as he sat in the entrance of his tent, while the day was growing hot. 2 Looking up, he saw three men standing near him. When he saw them, he ran from the entrance of the tent to greet them; **and bowing to the ground, ***3 he said: “Sir, if it please you, do not go on past your servant.
This could be countered with the argument that at least one of the 3 was God himself.
Crucifix (note, the Galatians were not present at Calvary, so they couldn’t have personally seen the Crucifixion, so this must reference a crucifix)
Galatians 3:1 O stupid Galatians! Who has bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was publicly portrayed as crucified?
Love this one. Just what I needed. Never read it this way before. Thanks.
 
I second the post that said to read and pray, and not rely on internet forums.

I was Roman Catholic for 10 years before I converted to Orthodoxy…I would have been Orthodox at the beginning had I done what I was supposed to.

The Moral of the Story is: Do your homework, and most importantly PRAY. Don’t settle for what is comfortable, seek the Truth as it has been revealed to you.

Don’t take my word for it, or anybody else’s. If you feel drawn to the Latin Church or have questions, ask one of their priests or somebody in the know. Attend Mass, go to a Pancake breakfast…the Knights of Columbus put out some good stuff.

The same goes for Orthodoxy, should your gaze turn Eastward.

God be with you on your search.
 
This could be countered with the argument that at least one of the 3 was God himself.
That counter-argument is very shaky at best. Virtually ALL Christian denominations understand this to mean 3 angels, and by their presence, God was appearing to Abraham. I’m not aware of any Christians (although there are probably some) who hold to God making Himself appear to Abraham similar to how He appeared to Moses, or in the Incarnation.
 
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