Confusion over vocations

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I am very confused over my vocation and I am not sure what to make of my thoughts. Hence I have decided to post my feelings in here for people to look at and provide advice for.

Here’s the rundown on everything…sorry for the length but to understand where I’m coming from I need to provide A LOT of detail:

I was born into a Catholic family but not raised Catholic; I didn’t get involved with the Faith again until late high school/early college, although I did have religious phases here and there and the Faith was always important to me at least in a very, very minor way at different points in time. When I actually started getting back into religion I assumed I’d be a priest someday, but I am not sure why this was. It was just the assumption I had from the point of my conversion. But also, since middle school, and before my religious reawakening, I had a desire to date which grew stronger in high school. Unfortunately I horribly butchered my efforts to date: I would ask girls left and right if they wanted “to date me”, not realzing that it is actulally a gradual process—I doubt that I have even fully accepted this even now at age 22.

Anyway, starting sometime in early college a priest (my pseudo-spiritual director as I call him, since I went to him often for spiritual advice and had been doing so for a year or two, although nothing was formal and my visits with him were sporadic and random) gave me a copy of The Seven Storey Mountain by Thomas Merton to read since I wanted to get more information on the Faith and Christ. It was a hardcore book and after reading it I was filled with dread that unless I became a monk I would be damned to Hell (although I think most people reading this felt the same way themselves afterwards). Afetr reading it I continued on my religious life as usual.

Now a year or two later I went on a planning retreat with members of the executive board of my school’s Catholic ministry at a Benedictine monastery, where the pastor/monk from our local parish is a member—this was the first time I EVER visited a monastery. After coming back from the trip I felt at peace and felt that I wanted to become a monk, also thinking about how I wouldn’t have to worry about having to care for a wife and kids, get a real-world job, and so on. After that week, though, the feeling completely disappeared.

During that following summer I felt spiritually unsettled and felt that I didn’t truly know Christ—a realization that came after attending a Theology on Tap meeting. Upset and confused I went back to the local pastor/monk and spoke with him about my feelings and to ask for spiritual advice. I only really did it vecause he was convenient and my normal “pseudo-spiritual director” is very hard to get in touch with—you’ll call him and he’ll take a week or two to respond, probably because he is a very busy man.

The local pastor/monk stated that it was highly unusual that I had 1) Read the Seven Storey Mountain and 2) Felt the way I did after going to visit the monastery. He instructed me to date but to keep the idea of the consecrated life open as an option, the latter proving to be a very unsettling and upsetting piece of advice.

I also asked for advice from my pseudo-spiritual director when I could actually get in cobtact with him. I had been going to him for Confession since my conversion and knew him decently well. I had a lot of contact with him before going to school, at which point it became difficult to contact him since it would take him a long time to reply to any emails or calls I sent. He told me that I should forgo dating and pursue the consecrated life, questioning if I had the skills to be a father (especially considering that I have never really dated before). I also told him of my desire to want to teach theology for a living but he questioned if I could get a job AND make the kind of money necessary to raise a family. I still want to teach theology though, even though this suggestion did initially put a damper on things!

But recently I decided to get a new spiritual director. This was largely prompted by the fact that I couldn’t maintain regular communication with the priest from back home, a problem if I need to seek regular spiritual direction. And I don’t trust the local pastor anymore for spiritual advice now that I think about it. Instead I am going to see the pastor of another local parish that I had emailed a few weeks back about spiritual advice. It came about when I tried seeking spiritual advice from other priests I trusted only to find that 1) the first priest is now the Provincial of his order and is no longer at his parish, and 2) another good priest couldn’t take-on any more spiritual directees. I tried contacting another parish where I trust the priests there, but they never replied. Instead, the pastor of this other local parish responded to my email and said he could be of help.

Continued below…
 
And because my original post was too long, here’s the continuation:

That brings us up to date. But in addition to providing some background for the readers here (sorry for the excessive length) I want to now share my feelings so that you can perhaps provide some advice and thoughts on what is going on in my head. Here they are:

-I love the idea of marriage (the companionship, the idea of “having a special someone”, and so on). Part of the reason why I want to teach theology is because I absolutely LOVE the Church’s teachings on sex and marriage and I want to experience these things myself while also teaching college students about this subject (while also showing them that the false “free love” philosophy of modern society is a load of garbage in comparison to the Church’s teachings on these matters)

-I recently went back to the monastery for a 2nd time for the ordination of one of the brothers there. Coming back from the trip I felt more open to the idea of being a priest or monk—I had been very much opposed to it for awhile—although marriage was still my preference. After a week, though, this openness started to wane and I feel myself again opposed to the idea of being a monk or priest. I feel that marriage would be a huge gain for me but the consecrated life or priesthood would be a huge loss. I also feel very much opposed and at odds with the fact that being a priest or monk would mean that I will NEVER experience romantic love—a fact that deeply bothers me

-in late December the monastery is hosting their annual vocations retreat and I was considering going back, but now feel opposed to the idea. It’s partly because it’s on December 26th through January 1st, and going at that time of year when I’m still not sure about things seems like too serious a move for me. If it was earlier in December than maybe I’d go, but I am still not sure about things.

-In the same vein I also feel afraid of going back to the monastery out of fear that I might be called to that type of life instead of the married life, and I keep praying and hoping that I may be called to marriage and not something else. My friend said—and I agree with her—that this is the wrong attitude to have. Nonetheless I don’t want to become a monk and don’t know what to do with the bad attitude. And I can’t tell if this is a genuine unreadiness to go back or just cowardice and fear—and if it’s the latter I’d be inclined to say I should probably force myself to go back to overcome the fear if that is what this is

-Occasionally I’ll get these unwelcome nagging feelings about the priesthood

-Ever since middle school—on and off—I’ve really wanted to date. I can’t explain why, but I just have a strong desire to date. As of spring, though, I will have been single for 6 years, a fact that really saddens and upsets me. But it seems that my efforts at dating are nothing but a constant series of utter failures with constant, seemingly never-ending rejection. This, combined with my eternal pessimism, low self-esteem, and lack of confidence fills me with hopelessness that I’ll EVER be able to date, to find that special someone, ect. I have little hope that I’ll ever succeed in dating, but that’s probably just the pessimism talking

-Speaking to a trusted friend I discovered that I often befriend girls in the hopes they’ll date me, something which we both realized was a bad thing. But I have no clue how to fix this

Anyway that’s the summary. My main questions are as follows:

1)What should I make of all this? What could this mean vis-a-vis my vocation?
2)Should I go back to the monastery on this vocations retreat or is it too serious, too soon?

I apologize again for the length. This is a very complex and problematic issue for me and I could really use some guidance. Pax Tecum!
 
Maybe St Ignatius can help you if you read and do the exercises on the following page.
lafayettecarmelites.org/god_calling.php

I know this is a short answer to a long post but basically everything, and more, that I could ever say is at that link.

I`ll pray for you that you find a holy spiritual director.
 
Well, I’m sure that all the feelings you have are something that almost every priest had to deal with before making a final commitment. So talk to the new priest you’ve been in contact with about all this.

The one thing that raised my eyebrow was the statement: “After coming back from the trip I felt at peace and felt that I wanted to become a monk, also thinking about how I wouldn’t have to worry about having to care for a wife and kids, get a real-world job, and so on.”

Oh man, the priesthood is also very hard work! It’s often a grass-is-greener-on-the-other-side situation, for both married men and priests (I am in the first category). It sounds like you are just afraid of making a decision, and fear that you will always be second-guessing yourself.

Again, talk to this priest, but don’t bowl him over with all these emotions right now. Give him the background and just say that your feelings are all over the place. My view is that you should wait a year or two before deciding anything! If you are not in school, get a job and be open to dating. But pray hard and listen to the priest.
 
Well, I’m sure that all the feelings you have are something that almost every priest had to deal with before making a final commitment. So talk to the new priest you’ve been in contact with about all this.

The one thing that raised my eyebrow was the statement: “After coming back from the trip I felt at peace and felt that I wanted to become a monk, also thinking about how I wouldn’t have to worry about having to care for a wife and kids, get a real-world job, and so on.”

Oh man, the priesthood is also very hard work! It’s often a grass-is-greener-on-the-other-side situation, for both married men and priests (I am in the first category). It sounds like you are just afraid of making a decision, and fear that you will always be second-guessing yourself.

Again, talk to this priest, but don’t bowl him over with all these emotions right now. Give him the background and just say that your feelings are all over the place. My view is that you should wait a year or two before deciding anything! If you are not in school, get a job and be open to dating. But pray hard and listen to the priest.
One interesting question: the local pastor/monk has, the past two Sundays, pulled me aside after Mass to ask me if I am going down to the monastery in December. He said he’s not trying to pressure me or anything (and I don’t think that is his intention) but it certainly comes-off that way (especially since he can be a demanding priest!). Yesterday in particular he said that he “strongly recommends” that I go down in December even though I am still on the fence and uncomfortable about all this, and even after I told him what the new priest told me already: That now is too soon (although in the back of my mind I keep wondering if I should listen to the new priest since I just started going to him for advice).

This honestly makes me uncomfortable and I don’t know how to stand-up for myself in this situation. I honestly don’t appreciate him doing this so often when I am unsure of what I am doing exactly. What should I say to him or do? Just follow the new priest’s advice?
 
I think that you should go to the vocation retreat if possible for a few reasons, the main one being that it could help in your discernment. If afterwards you don’t feel a call to a monastic vocation, then the likelihood of you having one is lessened… however, it may also be the very thing to cause you to pursue a monastic vocation a bit more seriously and strongly. Perhaps the vocations director of the monastery will be available to talk, and he could help guide you better. It’s not like you have to join the monastery after that one visit. Also, I’m sure that you’ll meet other men in a similar position as you, and at the very least, have another prayer warrior for you (and others for you to pray for as well), if not a new friend who is very understanding of your situation.

I do understand your situation myself, as I’m in a similar boat. I am both drawn and repulsed by monasticism at the same time, and slightly less so with married life. I will pray for you, that you are given the graces needed to pursue God’s will with courage, humility and obedience.
 
I think that you should go to the vocation retreat if possible for a few reasons, the main one being that it could help in your discernment. If afterwards you don’t feel a call to a monastic vocation, then the likelihood of you having one is lessened… however, it may also be the very thing to cause you to pursue a monastic vocation a bit more seriously and strongly. Perhaps the vocations director of the monastery will be available to talk, and he could help guide you better. It’s not like you have to join the monastery after that one visit. Also, I’m sure that you’ll meet other men in a similar position as you, and at the very least, have another prayer warrior for you (and others for you to pray for as well), if not a new friend who is very understanding of your situation.

I do understand your situation myself, as I’m in a similar boat. I am both drawn and repulsed by monasticism at the same time, and slightly less so with married life. I will pray for you, that you are given the graces needed to pursue God’s will with courage, humility and obedience.
This was said very well. I was recently on a vocations retreat with an order and a young women there found that she is called to marriage. It’s not like you are signing on the dotted line if you go on a vocations retreat. It’s okay to be discerning and then discern to married life.
After retreat it was really hard for me because going into retreat I expected that I was going to get my application papers but Sister Joseph told me I’m really not ready yet (which I now know is true) and that I need to wait a year. That was really hard for me to except because I was so sure that I was going to be entering this August and I’m really impatient and don’t want to wait any more. The moment Sister said to me “This life is difficult and you really aren’t ready yet” I knew she was right but my emotions so didn’t want to except it even though my will had. On Sunday I was talking to Sister Mary Dominic about how conflicted I felt and how frustrated I was with myself that my emotions were fighting so hard against the will of God when I was honestly totally fine with it. She said to me, quoting Saint Thomas, “Betsy, sometimes it takes a LONG time for the emotions to catch up to the head.”

I think the important thing is to not get to caught up in your feelings. Feelings are a wonderful gift from God but, just like any other gift from God, Satan can and does twist them into something that they where never intended to be. But at the same time God also uses feelings to communicate with us so it’s a very fine line to find. I would encourage you to take some time in Adoration and try to get past the feelings for a while and just look at the deepest part of your heart.

You are in my thoughts and prayers!

JMJ+
~Betsy

Totus tuus Maria!
 
The last two posts above are very well-put.

I am in the process of discernment as well. A couple of things I would suggest to you:
  1. Don’t worry so much. God wants you to grow in holiness, not stress constantly over your vocation. God already knows whether you are going to be a priest, monk, or married man, and His plan for you will be beautiful. Trust Him more.
  2. Go to daily mass as often as you can, and GO TO ADORATION. This is the greatest place to find peace. I try to make adoration for an hour a day. Just sit quietly with the Lord, and focus on finding inner silence.
Don’t think so much about the benefits or marriage versus consecrated life, again God will take care of the details. Focus on being open to WHATEVER God wants from you. Maybe you’ll end up a monk, a married theology teacher, a single man working for the diocese. The point is, God can use us to serve Him in so many ways, and the way He has picked out is perfect.

I know, its so difficult to get to this point of peace. But, once you accept that God can lead you to a perfect, peaceful, fulfilling life whether you are single, married, priest, or consecrated, you know longer have anything to worry about.

God will provide for you, my brother. Remember Padre Pio said “Hope, pray and don’t worry! Worry is useless. God is merciful and hears our prayers.”

God bless you on your journey, remember to simply grow in love of God and of man, and everything else will work itself out.

Peace and blessings,
Frank
 
If you really do have a vocation to the priesthood or monastic life, you wouldn’t be thinking in terms of what you still get to do/don’t get to do. You become a priest to make a total offering of yourself. You become a monk to make a total offering of yourself. It’s not like you become a priest or monk thinking, “Okay - I can be a priest and still have this or do that.” You become a priest or a monk thinking, “How can I totally give myself to Christ?” You desire to give yourself, more and more. You want to be completely ‘His.’ It would be the same if you were to fall in love with a woman. You would want to be with her all the time, but you would also want to give her things or do things for her - that could be in providing for her, caring for her, pleasing her, etc. Love wants to sacrifice itself for the object of its love.

It sounds to me like you pretty much love yourself. It you can rise to the point where you are ready to love outside of yourself, then you’ll be ready to start persuing a vocation (either one). Maybe the reason you are so confused right now is because you aren’t ready yet. I had a hard time getting through that stage, and as long as I was in it, I wasn’t making any progress toward my vocation. Along the way, though, lots of people started praying for me and I think that’s what finally got me through it. I didn’t grow up in a family that was very close, so I think that’s why it took me longer to realize that I was too immature to pursue a vocation, even though I wanted it badly.

You might want to ask your spiritual director if this is what he sees. Often, they are afraid they’ll lose you if they tell you. I’ll pray for your discernment.
 
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