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Hi all…my names Tyler and i recently got engaged in jan 09…my fiancee belongs to a non denomination christian church…now im a catholic made my communion and confirmation (becaucse i was told i had to) my grandparents and god parents (aunt and uncle) are very catholic and the question of where we are getting married got brought up and i guess if its not by a catholic priest or in a catholic church is outta the question. Is this true must i get married by a catholic priest or in a catholic church?..i have not gone to a catholic mass since my confirmation unless there was a death or baptisim etc. just seems like my family is forcing me to get married by or in a catholic manner …is this neccessary? the fiancee and i dont understand why this is such a big thing with my family …i guess our question is what do we do??

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ok im sry i realize now that this does not belong here sry about that …but also the fiancee and i will not be bringing our children up catholic both of us do no agree with some things (long story) but theres so many rules and “guidelines” that need to be taken when non catholic and catholics get married …could just use some help thanks all
 
If you do not intend to live your marriage as a practicing Catholic, then no way should you be married in the Catholic Church. This is your wedding, your marriage and your family may disapprove, but they cannot make the decision for you. Keep in mind, that if you change your mind about the Church, you can always return.
 
You can get married anywhere you want. 🙂 However, if you want your marriage to be valid in the eyes of the Church, you need to get married in a Catholic church. If you come from a traditional Catholic background, it is understandable that your family is urging you to have a traditional Catholic wedding ceremony.
You know what? I have been where you are, and I think I know how you feel. And I am rather afraid that if you don’t get married in the Church, that you will regret it down the line. Does that make sense? Nobody can force you to do anything you don’t want to do. But please, please give this some more thought. It is a big decision that could have far-reaching consequences if you ever change your mind.
Blessings to you and your fiance, and congratulations on your engagement!
 
You said your fiancee attends a non-denominational church.

There is no such thing.

It might be a denomination of just one congregation, but most likely it will be found to fit quite nicely in one of the already existing denominations.

Most of these were started when someone decided, “Now we’re going to have a real New Testament church with ME as the head.”
 
One of the precepts of the Church is that a Catholic should follow the marriage laws of the Church. That is that the marriage ordinarily takes place in the church and is witnessed by the priest. Otherwise, you would be entering into a legal but invalid marriage (not a sacrament). This is why your family members are concerned.

A Catholic can get permission to marry a non-Catholic but, as you said, the Catholic has to promise to do all he can to raise the children in the faith. It may be that later you will reconsider the Catholic teachings you disagree with and will want to bring up your children Catholic. At present you are being honest not to give this promise if you don’t intend to to keep it. Do you think it would be harmful to your children if they were raised Catholic?
 
One of the precepts of the Church is that a Catholic should follow the marriage laws of the Church. That is that the marriage ordinarily takes place in the church and is witnessed by the priest. Otherwise, you would be entering into a legal but invalid marriage (not a sacrament).
Just a reminder that valid ≠ sacrament. If his fiancée has not received a trinitarian baptism, his marriage would not be a sacrament even if it takes place in the Catholic Church with all the Is dotted and Ts crossed. Married Jews are in valid but not sacramental marriages.
 
thank your all for replying and taking the time to read my post…no i dont find it harmful to raise my children in the catholic church…but my fiancee and I both agree we like her church a bit more …and correct my fiancee, growing up christian was/has never been baptised …she has been dedicated but never baptised …so even if her pastor were to marry us in a catholic church assuming thats allowed …it tech. wouldnt count as a sacrament?
 
thank your all for replying and taking the time to read my post…no i dont find it harmful to raise my children in the catholic church…but my fiancee and I both agree we like her church a bit more …and correct my fiancee, growing up christian was/has never been baptised …she has been dedicated but never baptised …
First thing’s first: based on everything you’ve said, it appears that you won’t be able to get married in the Catholic Church. There are two reasons: first, it appears that you will not raise the children in the Church and second it appears that the relationship has caused you to weaken your Catholic Faith to the point where you’ve fallen away.

To marry a non-baptized Christian, you would need a “Dispensation from the Impediment of Disparity of Cult”. To receive that dispensation, you would need to make a promise similar to the following (just an example): “I reaffirm my faith in Jesus Christ and, with God’s help, intend to continue living that faith in the Catholic Church. At the same time, I acknowledge the respect I owe to the conscience of my partner in marriage. Therefore, I promise to do all I can to share the faith I have received with our children by having them baptized and educated as Catholics.” Since you won’t agree to the bolded parts above, you cannot request this permission. So, unless your situation radically changes, regardless of what your family wants, it’s not going to happen.
…it tech. wouldnt count as a sacrament?
Since she is not baptized, the marriage would be Natural and not Sacramental if you followed canonical form (i.e. get married in a Catholic church). The Church recognizes both Natural and Sacramental marriages.

If she is baptized at a later time, the marriage would become Sacramental (even if she is baptized in the non-denom church, assuming they properly baptize her in the eyes of the Catholic Church, which they probably would).

However if you get married outside of the Church, the marriage is considered to be “irregular”. If you go through with this, you will not be eligible to receive Communion in a Catholic church. More importantly, though, if you believe what the Catholic Church teaches, you will be in grave danger of going to Hell. Of course, since you claim to not believe in the Catholic Church’s authority or teachings, that shouldn’t affect you.
so even if her pastor were to marry us in a catholic church assuming thats allowed
No, her pastor cannot marry you in a Catholic church. Also, a priest cannot marry you in her non-denominational church.

There is an alternative, though. You can apply for and receive permission to marry in a non-denominational church and still have the marriage acceptable by the Catholic Church. The permission you would need from your bishop is called a “Dispensation from the Canonical Form of Marriage”. If you were an actively practicing Catholic in good standing with the Church, willing to raise your children Catholic, and not in threat of losing your Faith, you may have been able to receive this permission. In your case and with your current situation, I very, very strongly doubt it would be approved. And even if it was granted, you would still need a Dispensation from the Impediment of Disparity of Cult, which we already concluded you can’t get.
 
Ok, I’m throwing around a lot of terms, so hopefully this will clear it up: To be considered married in the Catholic Church, you would need:
  1. Permission to marry a non-baptized Christian (Dispensation from the Impediment of Disparity of Cult) from your bishop
  2. Approval from a priest or deacon to be married (they make sure that you weren’t previously married, that you’re not related, that you’re properly disposed to be married and not jumping into a marriage doomed to fail, etc)
  3. Typical pre-marital education (you’ll probably need some pre-martial counseling no matter where you want to get married - basic stuff like conflict resolution, communication,etc).
To get married in her non-denominational church by her non-denominational pastor, you’ll also need:
  1. Permission to not get married in a Catholic church (Dispensation from the Canonical Form of Marriage).
Of those four things, you need to promise to raise you children Catholic and to remain a Catholic yourself to get #1. Since your refuse to do either, #1 is out, and you won’t receive permission to get married. Everything beyond that is a moot point.
 
wow thanks Fast … that was as great deal of information and we appreciate that very much …thank you to every one who responded 👍
 
Best to just discuss all of this with a Catholic Priest then you’ll have the information first hand that you can present to your parents.

But there are obvious deeper issues here. What made you stop practicing your faith in the Catholic Church?
 
You are Catholic.

Why not go to Confession and come back to Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament?
 
Best to just discuss all of this with a Catholic Priest then you’ll have the information first hand that you can present to your parents.

But there are obvious deeper issues here. What made you stop practicing your faith in the Catholic Church?
ya i know i do need to talk to a catholic priest…what made me stop???

what made me go…my parents …cuz i had to…i made my communion cuz my family is catholic…y did i make my confirmation?..cuz i had to what 16yr old is going to say im not doing it and their family be ok thats fine…i did what i had to cuz i was told i had to …now im older and have not attened a catholic mass in over 7 yrs and talking with people and reading information in the bible things changed my mind…im not leaving god he will always be here with me just leaving the catholic church i guess
 
You are Catholic.

Why not go to Confession and come back to Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament?
because i dont agree with things that go on in the catholic church…like i mentioned ^ no matter where i go i have my faith and go will be there for me
 
im not leaving god he will always be here with me just leaving the catholic church i guess
That’s like saying “I really want to be a lawyer, so I’m going to drop out of law school and watch reruns of The Practice, since the law is the law, regardless.” You must have been poorly catechized to make that sort of statement, and I truly am sorry for that. Just keep in mind that Catholicism apparently isn’t what you think it is, and when you mature, keep an open mind. There were many of us that had poor catechism classes, lapsed because of ignorance, and came back after some research and maturity.
 
Hi Ace,

Congratulations on your engagement! I am marrying a non-baptised non-Catholic this year.

I tend to agree with some posts that if you have no intention of raising your children Catholic then you shouldn’t be married in the Church - the promises you make are binding, forever. If you make these promises without the intention of living them out then I dare not begin to think what the consequences could be…

One of the promises made in a Catholic wedding ceremony is 'Will you accept children lovingly from God and bring them up according to the Law of Christ and His Church?"

If my fiance could not agree to these terms, then it breaks my heart to say that I would have to break off the engagement - this might sound harsh to you but I love my faith, I am proud to profess it, and I love the Church. I will not choose my fiance over my faith in Jesus Christ and His Church.

While he does not understand or agree with everything in the Catholic Church, and has a bit of trouble being enthused with the Mass, he knows his own faith has some flaws and the fact that he is not even baptised was reason enough for him not to assume any authority in making decisions about how our children would be raised.

Remember Mass is not about us, it’s not about feeling good, or getting on a high (although I quite often get that feeling!) - it’s about coming together to give thanks and praise to GOD and to receive the miraculous gift of Jesus Christ’s body, blood, soul and divinity.

You seem a little lukewarm in your faith (look up in Revelations 3 what this means) and I really encourage you to take a fresh look at Catholicism. What is it that you disagree with? Maybe we can help you out??

I wish you all the very best for preparing for marriage and hope you enjoy this time as much as I am - and I strongly encourage you to do a Prepare course through your parish, even my fiance loved it!
 
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