Congratulations St Louis- A Bishop with a Spine

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BobCatholic:
Will he make Episcopal Spine alert?

episcopalspinealert.blogspot.com/

YES!
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I love that site! And i check it often. It is encouraging to see Bishops acting Bishoplier … or more Bishoply…or whatever you want to call it. 😃

James
 
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James0235:
I love that site! And i check it often. It is encouraging to see Bishops acting Bishoplier … or more Bishoply…or whatever you want to call it. 😃
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More Bishphoric? 🙂

Or more Apostolic? 🙂
 
For those of us who live in the area, this is a difficult thing to watch. This parish has worked this way for over 100 years. This bishop comes to town and suddenly wants this parish to change the way it has worked for more than a century. Let’s just say a little patience and discussion and a lot less “obey me now!” may have been a more prudent way to act. St. Louis has recently had a lot of parishes close, especially those with smaller congregations. This parish is also in an area where many parishes have closed and have been consolidated. These parishioners fears are not unfounded. Now instead of working through this difficult situation peacefully, it will be a battle. We can laud the bishop for standing up for what is expected, but it is also important to remember the good and faithful people who have worked so hard to keep their parish open and financially sound. This is quite an accomplishment considering St. Louis no longer has a large population of Polish immigrants.
 
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mom2boyz:
We can laud the bishop for standing up for what is expected, but it is also important to remember the good and faithful people who have worked so hard to keep their parish open and financially sound.
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If they’re really trying to have a good and faithful parish, though, they should have no problem conforming to the Law of the Church or submitting to the authority of their father the archbishop.
 
Just cause parishoners make great donations dont make them good and faithful if they arent in 100% FULL compliance to Church Teachings. Obedience to the Magesterium makes one good and faithful, not money.

Its the Bishops like these Holy ones who actually helped Spread our faith these thousands of years…God forbid we should have relied upon the…“lets go slow…and walk on egg shells” types, the stories of the Church dont seem to include namby pamby Saints for the faith. 👍
 
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mom2boyz:
This parish has worked this way for over 100 years. This bishop comes to town and suddenly wants this parish to change the way it has worked for more than a century. Let’s just say a little patience and discussion and a lot less “obey me now!” may have been a more prudent way to act.
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In fairness to His Excellency, it should be pointed out that the process of bringing the parish into conformance with Canon Law actually began under his predecessor, Archbishop (now Cardinal) Rigali. Both the current Archbisop and the former one attempted to handle the situation pastorally and privately. It was only when the officers of the corporation began giving orders to the Parochial Administrator (parish priest) regarding the day-to-day functioning of the parish that the Archbishop acted. When he did, he did it privately, pastorally, and appropriately. This is a matter of governance, an internal matter. Who got the secular media involved in the first place?
 
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Servulus:
When he did, he did it privately, pastorally, and appropriately. This is a matter of governance, an internal matter. Who got the secular media involved in the first place?
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The story is not from the Secular Media. It is from Catholic News Service and and it involves all Catholics at this point. The Catholic’s in all parishes across the country have a right to know and the Bishop a duty to inform us that the particular Church now is suspended. When the parish decided to disobey Canon Law, they involved the entire church, not just their little corner of St. Louis.
 
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Marie:
When the parish decided to disobey Canon Law, they involved the entire church, not just their little corner of St. Louis.
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Agreed. In this context, though, the entire Church is still “internal”. The reference to the secular media had to do with the somewhat slanted play the story has gotten in the Saint Louis Post-Dispatch and on local television stations. Sorry about the misunderstanding.
 
This is a pretty serious legal issue, and I’m surprise that it lasted this long. I am the CEO of a church corporation, and I sign corporate documents all the time. Specifically a “corporate resolution” confirming the officers of the corporation–we sign these for something as simple as a stock trade. I wonder who was signing the documents that needed to be signed down through the years, and what they were thinking when they signed them.
 
Just cause parishoners make great donations dont make them good and faithful if they arent in 100% FULL compliance to Church Teachings

If we take this attitude then there will be a lot less of us in the pews. Most of us try really hard and are thankful that we belong to a Church that recognizes our humanness and grants us an opportunity to reconcile.

Maybe what this parish is doing is wrong, but let’s not remember to give them a chance to reconcile.

I wonder if when they do, will the people on this forum “kill the fatted calf” for them? Will you run over with joy for the parishioners? Or will you say “Well, it’s about time they did the right thing?”
 
I meant to say “let’s not forget to give them a chance to reconcile.”
 
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mom2boyz:
Just cause parishoners make great donations dont make them good and faithful if they arent in 100% FULL compliance to Church Teachings
If we take this attitude then there will be a lot less of us in the pews. Most of us try really hard and are thankful that we belong to a Church that recognizes our humanness and grants us an opportunity to reconcile.

Maybe what this parish is doing is wrong, but let’s not remember to give them a chance to reconcile.

I wonder if when they do, will the people on this forum “kill the fatted calf” for them? Will you run over with joy for the parishioners? Or will you say “Well, it’s about time they did the right thing?”
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He is giving them time to reconcile. They will get the priests back when they stop trying to be their own Pope. If they leave, they leave. They are not children.To stay or go is their decision. We shall continue to love them either way but we do not have to condone nor put up with their sinful descent.A good leader as a good parent does not overlook bad behavior just because the child throws a temper tantrum.

If they come back, we will love them as always. This nonsence of putting up with garbage to keep the pews full is not acceptable. Never has been and never will be.
 
I live in the Archdiocese, and I’m glad Burke’s not putting up w/ these protestant Catholics. They’ve had ample time to come into compliance w/ canon law-first under Rigali (who probably didn’t push it b/c he really didn’t like to step on anyone’s toes and get bad publicity. I’m glad he’s gone.), then, when Burke first got here, he met w/ them. After promising them he had no intention of closing the church, he was booed and called a liar, right inside the church. Even if you disagree w/ the Bishop, you treat him w/ more respect than that. He gave them a deadline, then they started pulling this **** of taking all money and decision making away from their priest. Yes, he has a spine, and it’s about time. The only good thing I can say is that at least the parishioners realize that their “prayer service” they’re going to holding each Sunday to pray for the Archbishop doesn’t fulfill their Sunday obligation, and most are going to Mass in addition (according to the news anyway). It’s also interesting to note that they’ve been contacting different religious orders trying to get one of them to donate a priest, but none will w/o permission of the Archbishop. Now, shouldn’t that tell them something?

Yes, the secular media here has been very one sided. They haven’t even talked to the parishioners (and there are many) who are in favor of coming into compliance and don’t like the “lay board” and see the power trip they are on. The archdiocesan newspaper, the St. Louis Review, has been much more balanced. But what can you expect of the secular media? As Catholic a city as St. Louis is, the news story on channel 2 Sunday was “find out how St. Stanislaus celebratd Mass w/o a priest”. Umm, you CAN’T have mass w/o a priest, it’s not physically possible! They were referring to their “prayer service”, and did mention in the story that their was no communion. Sheesh!

Ok, done ranting. I do hope they reconcile, but Burke better not back down on this. The church hired a lawyer, although I don’t see how they have a leg to stand on. Burke can’t physically take the church from them, but they can’t remain a Catholic parish, either.

Ellen
 
It seems that for those who put up a fight against Bishops who are doing the right thing and correcting the abuses of the Liturgy are not really ‘Catholic’. IF these Catholics are true, they would accept Church’s teachings. They may be “Catholic” in title but not in their hearts!
Let us pray for those concerned in all sides of the issue.

go with God!
Edwin
 
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