Congressman Paul Ryan Latest to Call For Truce on Pro-Life, Social Issues

[elts1956]

Surrendering pro life principles for the greater sake of the party is how Democratic pro life politicians became marginalized in the Democratic Party, eventually losing the influence they had to reorient the party towards a greater pro life position. I would hope that Republican pro life politicians would not walk down this same dead end road. Pro life voters need to hold the politician’s feet to the fire on this issue.

And ALL issues. I have had enough of politico babble.

 

[Holly3278]

I can’t believe my own Congressman, Mitch Daniels, would have said something like this! He more than likely will not get my vote.

 

[CDNowak]

Thanks for the link, CDN. It’s worth discussing the basis of his “100% pro-life” rating. None of these demonstrate an intention on his part to restore 14th Amendment equal protection of the laws to unborn persons. These Constitutional protections were removed from unborn persons by the Roe v Wade decision. This is why it is legal to kill them. While his positions on these side issues are consistent and arguably the preferred positions to take, none of these positions directly attack the bottom line legal problem…the problem that must be addressed before justice is restored to unborn persons. I picked a few of his votes from your link for comment.

The “bottom line legal problem” is the Roe v. Wade decision. It will take a constitutional amendment or another Supreme Court decision to reverse that. In the meantime, for bills to pass Constitutional muster they are necessarily compromised to some degree. Congress has no power of its own to outlaw abortion, but it can limit what methods of abortion are legal, federal money spent on it, and same other issues (ESCR/cloning).

So your idealism, while commendable is unrealistic. Congressman Ryan is as pro-life as they come, and the party has made some progress in the last decade (aka PBA ban, Roberts and Alito).

 

[portarica]

Surrendering pro life principles for the greater sake of the party is how Democratic pro life politicians became marginalized in the Democratic Party, eventually losing the influence they had to reorient the party towards a greater pro life position. I would hope that Republican pro life politicians would not walk down this same dead end road. Pro life voters need to hold the politician’s feet to the fire on this issue.

Actually the pro-lifers in the Dem party did get the healthcare bill pushed in their direction. That was where their most important influence was, while they did that, the pro-life Reps sat on their hands , unwilling to trade away any of the interests of their political contributors to get an even stronger anti-abortion component to the healthcare bill.

And then the Rep party got the pro-life movement to attack the pro-life Dems, who unlike the Reps who used to control congress , the Dems did achieve something , but not enough to please the Reps who did nothing.

Peace

 

[miguel]

Congress has no power of its own to outlaw abortion, but it can limit what methods of abortion are legal, federal money spent on it, and same other issues (ESCR/cloning).

Congress has the power under Article III, Section 2 of the US Constitution to regulate the appelate jurisdiction of the Supreme Court. If Congress passed a law removing jurisdiction over abortion cases from the Supreme Court, no state law restricting abortion could be challenged in federal court.

So your idealism, while commendable is unrealistic. Congressman Ryan is as pro-life as they come, and the party has made some progress in the last decade (aka PBA ban, Roberts and Alito).

I don’t think it’s unrealistic to recognize these guys are giving us lip service. We’ve had 37 years of uninterrupted baby killing. Pro-lifers need to raise their expectations or that situation won’t change. I think that’s stark-raving realism.

 

[elts1956]

I like your explanation better, and knowing Haley Barbour, I think it is more on target. I don’t think they are saying that they will not still support those issues, they are saying let’s not let the Dems use that weapon to haul in the godless among us.

Too late. Already done. Now it is up to Pro Life folks to yell louder.

 

[CDNowak]

Congress has the power under Article III, Section 2 of the US Constitution to regulate the appelate jurisdiction of the Supreme Court. If Congress passed a law removing jurisdiction over abortion cases from the Supreme Court, no state law restricting abortion could be challenged in federal court.

The current administration, or one of the states (CA, OR, NY, etc.), would file suit, moving primary jurisdiction (only appellate jurisdiction is subject to limitation) to SCotUS, untouchable by Congress.

As to the actual feasibility of that scheme, such a proposal could be overturned at whim by the opposition, immediately undoing what success we would gain. That is, if such a law is politically passable (which it hasn’t been for the vast majority of the history of the US, needing a super majority to stand) and withstands a court challenge of the law itself.

I don’t think it’s unrealistic to recognize these guys are giving us lip service. We’ve had 37 years of uninterrupted baby killing. Pro-lifers need to raise their expectations or that situation won’t change. I think that’s stark-raving realism.

Voting for every pro life issue we get before Congress and against every pro death issue the opposition raises is a little more than lip service. We need to keep those who are loyal in position, not try to tear them out. ***That ***is one of the primary reasons it has taken us this long to make what little progress we have made.

 

[elts1956]

Congressman Paul Ryan Latest to Call For Truce on Pro-Life, Social Issues

Washington, DC – Congressman Paul Ryan of Wisconsin became the latest potential presidential candidate and Republican with a national profile to call for a “truce” on social issues. He joins Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels and Mississippi Gov. Hailey Barbour, who called for Republicans to back down on pro-life issues.

LifeNews.com/nat6697.html

A P.S. Do Ryan and the other politicians actually believe a TRUCE can be called on this? Oh, that’s right, they’re politicians. But isn’t that what 56% or more of those bo “catholics” did in the last POTUS election? And look what we have. Destruction of more vulnerable lives than one would have even dreamed (nightmared) of fifty years ago.

 

[Tsuwano]

Actually the pro-lifers in the Dem party did get the healthcare bill pushed in their direction. That was where their most important influence was, while they did that, the pro-life Reps sat on their hands , unwilling to trade away any of the interests of their political contributors to get an even stronger anti-abortion component to the healthcare bill.

And then the Rep party got the pro-life movement to attack the pro-life Dems, who unlike the Reps who used to control congress , the Dems did achieve something , but not enough to please the Reps who did nothing.

Peace

Well, I’m a registered Democrat, so I would really like to know what those pro life Democrats were able to accomplish. You say they got the healthcare bill pushed in their direction, but I’m not sure what that means. I agree that pro life Republicans did very little to lead the healthcare bill toward a pro life direction, but I can’t see what pro life Democrats have been able to do. Please enlighten me.

 

[miguel]

The current administration, or one of the states (CA, OR, NY, etc.), would file suit, moving primary jurisdiction (only appellate jurisdiction is subject to limitation) to SCotUS, untouchable by Congress.

The Court has original jurisdiction over specific types of cases listed in the US Constitution. Abortion cases are not on that list. Therefore, they have been heard under the Court’s appelate jurisdiction.

As to the actual feasibility of that scheme, such a proposal could be overturned at whim by the opposition, immediately undoing what success we would gain. That is, if such a law is politically passable (which it hasn’t been for the vast majority of the history of the US, needing a super majority to stand) and withstands a court challenge of the law itself.

Anything can be undone except endless abortion it seems.

Voting for every pro life issue we get before Congress and against every pro death issue the opposition raises is a little more than lip service. We need to keep those who are loyal in position, not try to tear them out. ***That ***is one of the primary reasons it has taken us this long to make what little progress we have made.

That and low expectations on the part of pro-life voters.

 

[portarica]

Well, I’m a registered Democrat, so I would really like to know what those pro life Democrats were able to accomplish. You say they got the healthcare bill pushed in their direction, but I’m not sure what that means. I agree that pro life Republicans did very little to lead the healthcare bill toward a pro life direction, but I can’t see what pro life Democrats have been able to do. Please enlighten me.

… President Obama, in order to win the Stupak-led bloc of anti-abortion Democrats, signed an executive order restating a policy barring the use of federal funds to pay for most abortions, but anti-abortion groups called the order inadequate…

cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2010/04/michigan_congressman_who_led_a.html

There is more plenty info if you Google anti abortion Democrats.

The problem with the Republicans as a party is that they will sacrifice innocent lives for election purposes. When it comes to abortion I feel that we must try to save every life, even if that means we proceed with smaller victories than we may like.

It does me or the innocent any good to have stood on principal and lost even as much as one more life. It isn’t about being right, it is about doing the best thing , doing the things that save lives.

To paraphrase things : Did you give me food when I was hungry or did you withhold it because it would be bad PR? Did you not give me the peanut butter sandwich because you thought I would be better off waiting a few years for the full buffet?

Peace

 

[Tsuwano]

… President Obama, in order to win the Stupak-led bloc of anti-abortion Democrats, signed an executive order restating a policy barring the use of federal funds to pay for most abortions, but anti-abortion groups called the order inadequate…

cleveland.com/nation/index.ssf/2010/04/michigan_congressman_who_led_a.html

There is more plenty info if you Google anti abortion Democrats.

The problem with the Republicans as a party is that they will sacrifice innocent lives for election purposes. When it comes to abortion I feel that we must try to save every life, even if that means we proceed with smaller victories than we may like.

It does me or the innocent any good to have stood on principal and lost even as much as one more life. It isn’t about being right, it is about doing the best thing , doing the things that save lives.

To paraphrase things : Did you give me food when I was hungry or did you withhold it because it would be bad PR? Did you not give me the peanut butter sandwich because you thought I would be better off waiting a few years for the full buffet?

Peace

Thank you. I read the article on Congressman Stupak and I will do a google search on anti abortion Democrats. I appreciate your efforts to clarify things for me.