Connection between free will and a known future?

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But your conclusion is in conflict with the bible and basic Catholic teachings:

God’s will is not always accomplished.
God does not create evil, nor tempt anyone to sin, nor create anyone to sin.
There is no predestination, we are free.
People decide whether they will go to hell or heaven, with their actions, their decisions, choices, sacrifices, etc.
God does not want anyone to go to hell.
All that God wants is that we love each other as ourselves, thus God would not create someone full of hate, such as satanists. Let me explain further.
God’s will is always accomplished. That is the whole point. There isn’t anything that we or the devil or anyone else can do to stop God’s will. He can’t be defeated. We know through revelation that He “wins.” If you think God can “lose” then He’s not omnipotent.

God created the whole system. If you want to lay the blame at the feet of the Devil or Man, it’s one way of looking at it but God knew what was going to happen before he created them, so anything that followed the act of creation is His will. Even the Devil is used by God, Satan thought he wouldn’t serve but he does. Look at Eden, Job, the Temptation in the Desert, Revelation. He’s doing the will of God by playing “the bad guy.” Without an antagonist there is no protagonist. You can’t a light without a dark to stick it in. 🙂

I think we are speaking to two different things, I am not saying that people are born to go to hell. I am saying that they are born to play a part. We can’t know if they are in hell or not. That is God’s decision. Maybe after serving their role, He says “good job” your life was hell welcome to heaven.

There is more to explore than just the surface of the teaching. Like the notion of Hell, if God is omnipresent how can we be separated from Him? There is no place that He is not.

Your notion is a Santa Clause God, I think He’s more interesting than that.

Merry Christmas 🙂
 
God created the whole system. If you want to lay the blame at the feet of the Devil or Man, it’s one way of looking at it but God knew what was going to happen before he created them, so anything that followed the act of creation is His will.
Perhaps this bolded part is a source of confusion. Creation may not “have been” a done deal that happened at some past time, perhaps creation is a process that we are “going through,” one that has duration. Seen in this way, as a dynamic process where human beings are “in relationship” with God in order to be created, the process appears temporal (for us) but eternal for God. We are being created by our choices and being transformed from temporal and “caused” creatures into God-formed free and eternal agents requiring our freely given assent to “become” eternal persons. Creation, seen in this way was not something that occurred but a participatory process where we have a hand in determining the outcome - the “who,” NOT “what” we will become.
 
God’s will is always accomplished. That is the whole point. There isn’t anything that we or the devil or anyone else can do to stop God’s will. He can’t be defeated. We know through revelation that He “wins.” If you think God can “lose” then He’s not omnipotent.

God created the whole system. If you want to lay the blame at the feet of the Devil or Man, it’s one way of looking at it but God knew what was going to happen before he created them, so anything that followed the act of creation is His will. Even the Devil is used by God, Satan thought he wouldn’t serve but he does. Look at Eden, Job, the Temptation in the Desert, Revelation. He’s doing the will of God by playing “the bad guy.” Without an antagonist there is no protagonist. You can’t a light without a dark to stick it in. 🙂

I think we are speaking to two different things, I am not saying that people are born to go to hell. I am saying that they are born to play a part. We can’t know if they are in hell or not. That is God’s decision. Maybe after serving their role, He says “good job” your life was hell welcome to heaven.

There is more to explore than just the surface of the teaching. Like the notion of Hell, if God is omnipresent how can we be separated from Him? There is no place that He is not.

Your notion is a Santa Clause God, I think He’s more interesting than that.

Merry Christmas 🙂
Stop quoiting just a bit of what I wrote, and leaving out what you cant answer.

We are no speaking of different things follow me:

You say God gave satan a purpose, and so to satanists. They who curse the Holy Spirit

“And so I tell you, every kind of sin and slander can be forgiven, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.”

So if God gave someone the purpose of cursing the Holy Spirit, he is going to hell.

"Maybe after serving their role, He says “good job” your life was hell welcome to heaven. "

Indeed he may say that, but according to the bible, and the divine revelations that God has give us he will not say:

“You have murdered, raped, stolen, cursed, lied, disobeyed, attacked me, and everyone around you, well done, that was your purpose”

Cant you see?

Furthermore, Gods will is not always accomplished, not in the small things. Once again, as the bible says, God wants everyone to be saved, that is his will. Just with one soul in hell his will is not accomplished. Cant you see you are wrong?

But, God’s will is accomplished int he long run, meaning satan will be defeated, and Jesus will establish his kingdom in Earth.
Still, all that satan and his servants do, is not Gods will. They are in their free will to go against Gods will.

Again, me sinning is not Gods will, with your logic, I can sin all day all time, saying its God’s will. Its not, thats an enormous misconception that satan is pouring into you.

God cant lose? It depends on what you consider a loss. If you mean defeated, of course not. God could defeat satan in a blink of an eye. Regarding souls, its a clear defeat, more souls are going to hell than to heaven, the bible says so.

The fact that satan has enabled other things to happen, does not mean it was meant that way.

If satan didnt existed, we will all be in heaven right now. And none of Jesus suffering would have been needed.

The notion of hell? Hell is hell because of the absence of God specifically, because of the absence of his love. The fact that God is omnipresent does not mean he is in everything RIGHT NOW, it only means he can if he wants to.

You wont find God in the heart of a wicked man. Because he has distanced himself away from God, and expelled Him from his heart.
 
Perhaps this bolded part is a source of confusion. Creation may not “have been” a done deal that happened at some past time, perhaps creation is a process that we are “going through,” one that has duration. Seen in this way, as a dynamic process where human beings are “in relationship” with God in order to be created, the process appears temporal (for us) but eternal for God. We are being created by our choices and being transformed from temporal and “caused” creatures into God-formed free and eternal agents requiring our freely given assent to “become” eternal persons. Creation, seen in this way was not something that occurred but a participatory process where we have a hand in determining the outcome - the “who,” NOT “what” we will become.
The universe is here, we are here,we have revelation of Gods victory. If you think Godcsn lose I guess it’s open ended. If there is no chance of the whole works going sour there isn’t any mystery to the who or what only the how.
 
The universe is here, we are here,we have revelation of Gods victory. If you think Godcsn lose I guess it’s open ended. If there is no chance of the whole works going sour there isn’t any mystery to the who or what only the how.
The mystery regarding the “who” is in terms of the “who” each human agent will become or fail to become. The issue is whether we will take part in the “whole works” - which you are correct cannot “go sour” - or whether we will elect not to be a part of it. The danger is in assuming what we choose doesn’t matter - that we can choose and do whatever we want because God will make it right in the end.

It is the logical corollary to Jesus’ second temptation to jump from the pinnacle of the Temple because God would look after him. The point of overcoming this temptation was that trust or abandonment to God does not mean we become irresponsible because our actions are inconsequential and fully assignable to God. We have a role to play and that role is an important one that we must fully take one because it is in fulfilling the role that we become WHO we are to be.

The “how” must be important or why would God not have simply jumped to the end and avoided the mess in the middle if the end is fully determined? The how must be important to the players and, even if the end “is finished” it may only be so for those who properly “play through” and, in Paul’s words, “finish the race.”
 
Stop quoiting just a bit of what I wrote
I am answering you. I’m not sure what I’m not addressing.

God’s will is always done. It isn’t the way we may want or expect but it’s always done or he’s not all powerful. If he can be defeated or bested he’s not all powerful. If he doesn’t want anyone in hell. No ones there.

Omnipresence means he’s everywhere, to say he’s here but not there means he’s bound spacially and he’s smaller than creation.
 
I am answering you. I’m not sure what I’m not addressing.

God’s will is always done. It isn’t the way we may want or expect but it’s always done or he’s not all powerful. If he can be defeated or bested he’s not all powerful. If he doesn’t want anyone in hell. No ones there.

Omnipresence means he’s everywhere, to say he’s here but not there means he’s bound spacially and he’s smaller than creation.
I would suggest that you be careful with drawing hasty conclusions.

Human free will and the “commandment” to love, as a fundamental option, together mean God has given us responsibility for what we choose and do, otherwise “commandments” would not have been necessary. He would not need to “issue” commands if things simply go as he determines. Free will adds a layer onto the entire enterprise that makes the omnipotence of God a tad more nuanced than you allow. I suggest you not make blanket assumptions.

We are to trust in God because of his 3 omni characteristics, but that does not mean we are absolved of all responsibility. His 3 omni characteristics may mean more, not less, for our “part” in the matter than you allow.
 
The mystery regarding the “who” is in terms of the “who” each human agent will become or fail to become. The issue is whether we will take part in the “whole works” - which you are correct cannot “go sour” - or whether we will elect not to be a part of it. The danger is in assuming what we choose doesn’t matter - that we can choose and do whatever we want because God will make it right in the end.

It is the logical corollary to Jesus’ second temptation to jump from the pinnacle of the Temple because God would look after him. The point of overcoming this temptation was that trust or abandonment to God does not mean we become irresponsible because our actions are inconsequential and fully assignable to God. We have a role to play and that role is an important one that we must fully take one because it is in fulfilling the role that we become WHO we are to be.

The “how” must be important or why would God not have simply jumped to the end and avoided the mess in the middle if the end is fully determined? The how must be important to the players and, even if the end “is finished” it may only be so for those who properly “play through” and, in Paul’s words, “finish the race.”
It’s for our benefit. The gift of our lives. It’s exciting.

He loves us all and we all serve. It makes it easier to love each other if we realize we are all serving. Isn’t that what we are told. Love each other as Jesus loves us.
 
Perhaps this bolded part is a source of confusion. Creation may not “have been” a done deal that happened at some past time, perhaps creation is a process that we are “going through,” one that has duration. Seen in this way, as a dynamic process where human beings are “in relationship” with God in order to be created, the process appears temporal (for us) but eternal for God. We are being created by our choices and being transformed from temporal and “caused” creatures into God-formed free and eternal agents requiring our freely given assent to “become” eternal persons. Creation, seen in this way was not something that occurred but a participatory process where we have a hand in determining the outcome - the “who,” NOT “what” we will become.
Have you converted to Process Theology, Peter?
 
I am answering you. I’m not sure what I’m not addressing.

God’s will is always done. It isn’t the way we may want or expect but it’s always done or he’s not all powerful. If he can be defeated or bested he’s not all powerful. If he doesn’t want anyone in hell. No ones there.

Omnipresence means he’s everywhere, to say he’s here but not there means he’s bound spacially and he’s smaller than creation.
You keep ignoring the may things that conflict with your theory.

And no, Gods will is not always done.

Follow me again please.

The bible tells us that the ones that curse the holy spirit, the unrighteous, the idolaters, the unjust, the killers, and many other will not go to heaven. They will go to hell.

The bible clearly states that God’s will is for all to be saved. And we all know that is not the case: “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."

The fact that God is all powerful is irrelevant to Gods will. These two are not dependent.
God is all powerful. His will is to give us free will over all, second, his will is that we obey the commandments, love each other, love him, get to heaven.

So his will of us being able to made our own choices is respected, but the will of Him of all getting saved is not.

You are contradicting the bible right now, because if Gods will is always done, its means its Gods will for some people to go to hell, and the bible clearly states the opposite.

In Hell you have the presence of God in his wrath and judgement, in Heaven you have the presence of God in all of his glory and holiness.
God is also in the presence of the unfaithful apart from which they would not exist, however he is only spiritually present in those that are regenerated, but the rest is far away from him. Such as the wicked.

Edit: Also, hell may not even be a place, but a state, the state of being in the absence of the spirit of God.
 
You keep ignoring the may things that conflict with your theory.

And no, Gods will is not always done.

Follow me again please.

The bible tells us that the ones that curse the holy spirit, the unrighteous, the idolaters, the unjust, the killers, and many other will not go to heaven. They will go to hell.

The bible clearly states that God’s will is for all to be saved. And we all know that is not the case: “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."

The fact that God is all powerful is irrelevant to Gods will. These two are not dependent.
God is all powerful. His will is to give us free will over all, second, his will is that we obey the commandments, love each other, love him, get to heaven.

So his will of us being able to made our own choices is respected, but the will of Him of all getting saved is not.

You are contradicting the bible right now, because if Gods will is always done, its means its Gods will for some people to go to hell, and the bible clearly states the opposite.

In Hell you have the presence of God in his wrath and judgement, in Heaven you have the presence of God in all of his glory and holiness.
God is also in the presence of the unfaithful apart from which they would not exist, however he is only spiritually present in those that are regenerated, but the rest is far away from him. Such as the wicked.

Edit: Also, hell may not even be a place, but a state, the state of being in the absence of the spirit of God.
Even in the Lord’s Prayer it states " lead us not in to Tempation " but again I’m not saying anyone is going to hell. That is for God to decide.
 
I think the reason we think he knows the future is because of his power to foretell the future. He knows the hour of his own death in Jesus. He knows Peter’s denials. Theres a bunch of prophets that foretell the future. He has some insight into what’s going to happen and it can be very specific.
Agreed. His knowledge of our imperfections and the likelihood of our failing certain tests, which I am sure he can arrange, is enough to explain His telling the future, but it’s not exactly a telling of the future, but a knowledge of our present state and a very good idea of how we will react, or even a pretty certain idea of how we will act given our extreme weakness and slavery to fear. In fact I suppose the less free we really are (that is, how given we are to sin, to concupiscence), the more certainly He can predict exactly what our actions will be.
 
By the same token, it might be asked, “How could God create (let alone know) what does not exist?”

It seems to me that if creation ex nihilo is acceptable, knowing of something that “was” completely in his power to create would be a “no brainer.” Creating what does not exist would be much more of a feat than simply knowing what does not. At least, it would seem that way to me.

If God creates and sustains an entire universe in existence “from nothing,” how would the universe itself “be present” to him? Whether its presence to God was ten years ago, today or a thousand years from today would seen inconsequential as compared to the present itself being present to God. I am not clear why being present to the future would be any more unreasonable than being present to the present time, involving, as it does, creating the entire shebang to begin with.
The conceive of a thing that does not exist is indeed miraculous in and of itself, but such a thought is not the thing itself, but only the mind’s image of what might be. In other words, it exists only as a thought, real enough, I get it, but not as the created thing itself.

That God created the universe from nothing is just as impossible to understand as God seeing the future. But, we know from God’s revealed truth that He did indeed create the universe. I can find nowhere where it says that He knows one’s future free will decisions.

As for being present to the future, I believe the one word, present, negates the other word, future. One cannot have it both ways. Either it is the future or it is the present. I cannot ascribe to a theory that present means something different with regards to God than it does with regards to man. The term present would not even be in use if it were not for the creation of time. We conveniently say that God is the eternal present, when in fact without time He would be called Existence, as He Himself called Himself, I am Who am. The fact is, He created time, that is, the marking of change from one condition to another, but He so created it so that only the present moment exists t any given time. He created it so that everything in creation would change before “His very eyes,” unless of course you can prove to the contrary. Our present is only an instant that moves on to the next instance in an endless continuum as it were. His present simply is. It is not an instant and it does not move on. Our encounter with God can only be in the mysterious instant moment, since this is the only time of our existence that can touch God, the timeless spot we call the present. The past does not touch God, for our consciousness has left the past and followed us to the present. The future cannot touch God, because our consciousness, our essence, does not yet reside there, and will not until it is the present. That’s how I see it anyway. Peace.
 
The conceive of a thing that does not exist is indeed miraculous in and of itself, but such a thought is not the thing itself, but only the mind’s image of what might be. In other words, it exists only as a thought, real enough, I get it, but not as the created thing itself.

That God created the universe from nothing is just as impossible to understand as God seeing the future. But, we know from God’s revealed truth that He did indeed create the universe. I can find nowhere where it says that He knows one’s future free will decisions.

As for being present to the future, I believe the one word, present, negates the other word, future. One cannot have it both ways. Either it is the future or it is the present. I cannot ascribe to a theory that present means something different with regards to God than it does with regards to man. The term present would not even be in use if it were not for the creation of time. We conveniently say that God is the eternal present, when in fact without time He would be called Existence, as He Himself called Himself, I am Who am. The fact is, He created time, that is, the marking of change from one condition to another, but He so created it so that only the present moment exists t any given time. He created it so that everything in creation would change before “His very eyes,” unless of course you can prove to the contrary. Our present is only an instant that moves on to the next instance in an endless continuum as it were. His present simply is. It is not an instant and it does not move on. Our encounter with God can only be in the mysterious instant moment, since this is the only time of our existence that can touch God, the timeless spot we call the present. The past does not touch God, for our consciousness has left the past and followed us to the present. The future cannot touch God, because our consciousness, our essence, does not yet reside there, and will not until it is the present. That’s how I see it anyway. Peace.
I understand where you are going with this, but what you describe is the view from our perspective. To say that God must have the same view even though he has an “eternal” perspective would be to claim that his eternal view constrains him to having the same scope on the “timeless spot” that we do. I see no reason for thinking that would be true.
 
Actually, I would argue that your bolded statement above is the problem. You are reducing eternity to “the present moment.” That is not what most classical theists, and, in particular, not Thomists, would claim. It is not that only the present moment is “eternal,” but that from the perspective of eternity all temporal moments (past, present and future) simply are.

The only reason things … of what God works with in “writing” the story.
I recognize what you are saying. We say the eternal moment or the eternal present as a way of conceptualizing pure Beingness, pure Existence, I am Who am. But, too, we (our consciousness) only encounter God in the present. It is for this reason that we see that Beingness which knows no future and no past, as the present. Becuase He created time, we can say present, and it has a meaning that would not be available without the creation of time, as all that would be is God, Beingness, unchanging and infinite.

Right, God is not constrained by time, but He did create it, and He did give it certain characteristics. I believe He is “bound” by the characteristics he created, in a manner of speaking, because nothing binds God. I am saying bound in the same way I might say that God is bound to loving, since that is His nature, and He cannot hate, which is really npt constraining God, but merely describing Him for Who He has revealed Himself to be. I believe that we, our consciousness, exists only in the present and that it is at this point in the continuum of time that we can touch God, commune with God, or however you wish to put it, and so it is with reference to our own universe that we see God as the eternal present. Our consciousness is not at all points in time at the same time. For example, before we were created, our consciousness did not exist, even though time did exist. The moment we were created no longer exists, and so our consicousness no longer exists there. The future does not exist, and so our consciousness cannot abide there. We know where it is because it is us and we are at all times in the present. God created it that way. God watches time unfold because He created it that way. God reacts (figuratively) to whatever happens in the world in always the same way, He loves. He is infinite Love, and He never changes. What we see as love, anger, compassion, jealousy, patience, sadness, happiness, etc. on God’s part is really only love seen through a different set of circumstances, as God is unchanging and not given to emotional changes. God is Love. I am Who am. Infinite Love. Absolutely Incomprehensible. Do, I contend that tings do come into existence and go out of existence and that God sees this as it is happening, not as one instance to which He is All Present. We do not exist in the past, and so God cannot be present to us in the past. It’s the way He created it to be. God cannot see us in the future, because we do not exist in the future, It’s the way he created it, and He is simply following His own laws of existence.

Of course God can know exactly what will happen with anything that is cause and effect. And of course God can cause any events to happen in the future that He so chooses. The future I contend that He cannot see is the future free will decisions of a man, if they are entirely free. Because of slavery to sin, because of concupiscence, much of what men do is not really free at all. For this reason, I believe God can with almost certainty, perhaps with absolute certainty, see what future so=called free will decisions will be. But if there exists pure free will anywhere, I would say that God cannot know with certainty what its decisions will be until they occur. Perhaps, this discussion about free will is academic, because who has perfect free will, and even if we look at Adam and Mary, could not actual grace be a deciding factor in the decisions they made? I am no expert is this area, but it would seem that grace might have a lot to do with the exercise of free will, and that the human race was doomed to fall due to this factor, and perhaps Mary (forgive me Mary if I am wrong) sure to succeed due to the grace of God working in her life, notwithstanding her ability to say, “No.” I think all creation, the angels, and God Himself, awaited her fateful, “Yes.” It may be something like the fact that we love freely in heaven, so what is to stop us from freely choosing not to love? Yet we know that once we go to heaven we will never want to say no to love. Free, yet enslaved. So, all this being said, perhaps free will is less free than we normally view it, and perhaps my entire argument falls apart, and indeed God does know our every future decision. Nevertheless, I believe that if He knows our future, it is because He can see it before it happens, not by being present t othe future, but by envisioning how it must turn out. To me, being presnet to the future is nonsense, but knowing what the future will be, not beyond possibility.

I have to go now, but I think I have said most of what I can say. Peace. I enjoyed hearing from you very much.
 
I read a lot of posts where people think that when God knows their future, that somehow removes their free will. Why is this? Why do people think that because God knows a person’s future that it suddenly became God that designed it and not their own design? Why do people make that connection?
I read a lot of posts where people think that when God knows their future, that somehow removes their free will. Why is this? Why do people think that because God knows a person’s future that it suddenly became God that designed it and not their own design? Why do people make that connection?
This is how it shakes out for me, thus far:

To me, there is a difference between prophecy and prediction. A prophecy WILL happen and a prediction may or may not happen. Nostradamus, to me, is prediction and not prophecy. I stick with the head of prophecy being cut off with John the Baptist, as Jesus stated. Or maybe the distinction is between Promise and prophecy.

Seems like there are people of Promise and people of Fate. Those born of Promise are pre-destined to return to heaven - they come to help (like Isaac and Shakespeare, for instance). However, those born of the Fates must find the Narrow Gate. Some of us, per Jesus, have fallen fathers (and mothers?) and redemption of our prideful ways must be accomplished before getting In.

Where this gets a little fuzzy is how Christ appears to be ‘accomodating prediction/prophecy’. I’m not saying it isn’t Promise, but it seems a bit weird, to me.
  1. When John the Baptist questioned Jesus being baptized, Jesus said, “Permit it ti be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.”
  2. Then when Jesus was going into Jerusalem:
21 And when they came nigh to Jerusalem, and came to Bethphage, unto the mount of the Olives, then Jesus sent two disciples,
22 saying to them, `Go on to the village over-against you, and immediately ye shall find an *** bound, and a colt with her – having loosed, bring ye to Me;
23 and if any one may say anything to you, ye shall say, that the Lord hath need of them, and immediately he will send them.’
24 And all this came to pass, that it might be fulfilled that was spoken through the prophet, saying,

It’s like Jesus made conscious decisions to fulfill what was written - as if He wasn’t bound by ‘prophecy’ (could have chosen a camel, say). Strange as it may seem to some, it sounds to me like Jesus ‘pre-empted’ the messiah that the Jews were expecting - and thus they still wait for their god/father (mother?/Lion of Judah?). They just couldn’t ‘get a read’ on Jesus.

Oedipus tried to outwit Fate, but ‘they’ only toyed with him unti lit was accomplished. Jesus, to me, lifts us out of Fate’s hands by the Holy Spirit. Some appear to be written in the Book of Life from the beginning and others are added on; grafted onto the Tree of Life. That presupposes that otherwise, souls are written in the Book of the Dead in need of The Savior, Jesus Christ.
 
I understand where you are going with this, but what you describe is the view from our perspective. To say that God must have the same view even though he has an “eternal” perspective would be to claim that his eternal view constrains him to having the same scope on the “timeless spot” that we do. I see no reason for thinking that would be true.
I do understand what you are saying. But why impute this capability to God when there is no real revelation of it (I am speaking of His being able to be “present” to one’s future free will decisions). Is it not a complete speculation? How does it limit God for Him to be subject to His own rules of the game? All of the things we use to describe God are from the temporal sphere, so it is impossible to say anything about Him that escapes time unless it be revealed and we posit that it must be so because He says it is so. I rather like to think that God waited in anticipation of the Virgin’s response, as any prospective bridegroom would. But here is the impasse: I say it is one way because that is the way things happen from a finite perspective, and you say that it is the other, because it’s an easy solution to God’s knowing certain future events and possibly because it seems to add something to His infinite powers. (I don’t mean to put words in your mouth, as I am only guessing.) I say that it does not necessarily add anything to God’s powers, anymore than being able to perform evil would add anything (probably a poor analogy, but I hope you get my drift). What will convince either one of us of the other’s point of view. Perhaps, your view makes God more incomprehensible, and perhaps my view makes God more human, Probably neither is a good reason for choosing one or the other, for God is already known to be the Incomprehensible One, and no one could be more human than God as viewed through the prism of Jesus Christ. I do wonder if my view or yours will lead either of us to error in some other matter. If so, I would promptly abandon my view, rather than let it shade my view of God’s Word in other respects.
 
I read an interesting Spanish saying:
“God can write straight on a crooked line.”
If we make our life messy (=like a crooked line) following our free will, God still can manage to apply his master plan (= write straight) in our life.
We have free will on little things ( e.g. What we are going to have for dinner tonight ), but God can use his will to over rule other important things to be in line with his master plan.
This is IMHO ( In My Humble Opinion), maybe wrong…:confused:
 
I read an interesting Spanish saying:
“God can write straight on a crooked line.”
If we make our life messy (=like a crooked line) following our free will, God still can manage to apply his master plan (= write straight) in our life.
We have free will on little things ( e.g. What we are going to have for dinner tonight ), but God can use his will to over rule other important things to be in line with his master plan.
This is IMHO ( In My Humble Opinion), maybe wrong…:confused:
Yes, I agree with you. For example, if a person were about to assassinate the Pope, God forbid, without interfering with the person’s free will, God could cause the gun to jam. Thus, both the person was able to freely exercise his free will and God was able to ensure that the Pope continues to live.
 
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