Consciousness cannot be objective hence God cannot know our decision given situation

[Bookcat]

But I think that is your God since there exist not a boundary which separate you from God.

Your speaking a different language…importing your ideas…

If you wish to know what we profess then seek and you will find (such as the Catechism of the Catholic Church or the Compendium of the Catechism)…

God is God. I am a contingent creature. Made now a son in the Son -with true life in him.

But he still remains God and I a creature.

*He knows me and holds me in existence - at every moment - and knows me completely - every bit of me. *

I know him via his revelation and via Faith and Reason and the life within the Church and the life of prayer etc - and this is true knowledge -but it is not exhaustive - I can never know God as he knows me.

 

[Bookcat]

“Since creatures have received everything they are and have from God, only God in himself is the fullness of being and of every perfection. God is *“He who is” *without origin and without end.” (Compendium 39)

“God created the universe freely with wisdom and love. The world is not the result of any necessity, nor of blind fate, nor of chance. God created “out of nothing” (ex nihilo) (2 Maccabees 7:28) a world which is ordered and good and which he infinitely transcends. God preserves his creation in being and sustains it, giving it the capacity to act and leading it toward its fulfillment through his Son and the Holy Spirit.” (Compedium)

vatican.va/archive/compendium_ccc/documents/archive_2005_compendium-ccc_en.html#I%20Believe%20in%20God%20the%20Father

 

[ProdglArchitect]

Maybe that is a delusion? I need to know the boundary. Something solid which you know as boundary.

The boundary is friggin the FACT THAT I AM NOT GOD. Seriously Bahaman, I thought I’d give you another shot, but I’m done. You do not even understand the most basic precepts of debate, you make statements that are utterly ridiculous and only serve to veer the debate off course, and you refuse, REFUSE, to listen to anyone.

I am NOT God, I CANNOT be God. The Boundary is the fact that it is literally impossible for me, a created being, to be God, the creator. You’ve been watching to much Haruhi.

 

[Bookcat]

God* “infinitely transcends”* the creation he creates…

“Since creatures have received everything they are and have from God, only God in himself is the fullness of being and of every perfection. God is *“He who is” *without origin and without end.” (Compendium 39)

“God preserves his creation in being and sustains it, giving it the capacity to act and leading it toward its fulfillment through his Son and the Holy Spirit.” (Compedium)

Compendium of the Catechism.

 

[Bookcat]

Hence there exist not a boundary which separates you from God. Hence, you are God which means that we will be livening in permanent delusion because we couldn’t even recognize our single self.

I repeat what I noted above.

And bid you a good evening.

 

[Bahman]

The boundary is friggin the FACT THAT I AM NOT GOD. Seriously Bahaman, I thought I’d give you another shot, but I’m done. You do not even understand the most basic precepts of debate, you make statements that are utterly ridiculous and only serve to veer the debate off course, and you refuse, REFUSE, to listen to anyone.

The only reality that we have in common is that we exist. For sake of simplicity, lets say that I have a body that separate me from you. That is the boundary, simple physical body. I have no need to accept your God unless you provide a simple reason that what separate us from God. The fact that we were no the creator doesn’t cut unless we accept the fact which I didn’t.

I am NOT God, I CANNOT be God. The Boundary is the fact that it is literally impossible for me, a created being, to be God, the creator. You’ve been watching to much Haruhi.

That I understand and that I don’t. I don’t understand how a God could be separated from us. He doesn’t have any physical body, at least he didn’t if you want to argue that Jesus is God.

 

[Bookcat]

God* “infinitely transcends”* the creation he creates…

God transcends everything.

 

[Bookcat]

Catechism:

42 God transcends all creatures. We must therefore continually purify our language of everything in it that is limited, image-bound or imperfect, if we are not to confuse our image of God – “the inexpressible, the incomprehensible, the invisible, the ungraspable” – with our human representations. Our human words always fall short of the mystery of God.

43 Admittedly, in speaking about God like this, our language is using human modes of expression; nevertheless it really does attain to God himself, though unable to express him in his infinite simplicity. Likewise, we must recall that “between Creator and creature no similitude can be expressed without implying an even greater dissimilitude”;17 and that "concerning God, we cannot grasp what he is, but only what he is not, and how other beings stand in relation to him."18

scborromeo.org/ccc/ccc_toc.htm

Have good evening - I must now be away…

 

[ProdglArchitect]

The only reality that we have in common is that we exist. For sake of simplicity, lets say that I have a body that separate me from you. That is the boundary, simple physical body. I have no need to accept your God unless you provide a simple reason that what separate us from God. The fact that we were no the creator doesn’t cut unless we accept the fact which I didn’t.

That I understand and that I don’t. I don’t understand how a God could be separated from us. He doesn’t have any physical body, at least he didn’t if you want to argue that Jesus is God.

Simply because you refuse to acknowledge a fact doesn’t mena that fact is suddenly not true, it just means that you are wrong.

Here’s a little test for you Bahaman.

Create a million dollars.

Right now.

Do it.

Can’t?

Okay, how about a thousand? No? a hundred? No? how aobut a cent. I want you to create a penny out of nothingness.

Can’t do it?

Didn’t think so.

You cannot create things form nothing, I cannot create things from nothing. Only GOD can create things from nothing.

Like I said before, I’m done. I don’t get anything out of debating you, and you -obviously- don’t get anything out of debating me, so I’m done.

 

[Bahman]

God* “infinitely transcends”* the creation he creates…

God transcends everything.

What do you mean? I asked whether there exist a boundary between us and God? If yes what it is. If not how we are different from God? You keep telling the same things.

 

[Bookcat]

Catechism:

42 God transcends all creatures. We must therefore continually purify our language of everything in it that is limited, image-bound or imperfect, if we are not to confuse our image of God – “the inexpressible, the incomprehensible, the invisible, the ungraspable” – with our human representations. Our human words always fall short of the mystery of God.

43 Admittedly, in speaking about God like this, our language is using human modes of expression; nevertheless it really does attain to God himself, though unable to express him in his infinite simplicity. Likewise, we must recall that “between Creator and creature no similitude can be expressed without implying an even greater dissimilitude”;17 and that "concerning God, we cannot grasp what he is, but only what he is not, and how other beings stand in relation to him."18

scborromeo.org/ccc/ccc_toc.htm

Have good evening - I must now be away…

 

[Bahman]

Simply because you refuse to acknowledge a fact doesn’t mena that fact is suddenly not true, it just means that you are wrong.

Here’s a little test for you Bahaman.

Create a million dollars.

Right now.

Do it.

Can’t?

Okay, how about a thousand? No? a hundred? No? how aobut a cent. I want you to create a penny out of nothingness.

Can’t do it?

Didn’t think so.

You cannot create things form nothing, I cannot create things from nothing. Only GOD can create things from nothing.

Like I said before, I’m done. I don’t get anything out of debating you, and you -obviously- don’t get anything out of debating me, so I’m done.

Hence God exists! Is that all you can offer? where is the boundary between us and God?

 

[Bookcat]

What do you mean?

Catechism:

42 God transcends all creatures. We must therefore continually purify our language of everything in it that is limited, image-bound or imperfect, if we are not to confuse our image of God – “the inexpressible, the incomprehensible, the invisible, the ungraspable” – with our human representations. Our human words always fall short of the mystery of God.

43 Admittedly, in speaking about God like this, our language is using human modes of expression; nevertheless it really does attain to God himself, though unable to express him in his infinite simplicity. Likewise, we must recall that “between Creator and creature no similitude can be expressed without implying an even greater dissimilitude”;17 and that "concerning God, we cannot grasp what he is, but only what he is not, and how other beings stand in relation to him."18

scborromeo.org/ccc/ccc_toc.htm

Have good evening - I must now be away…

 

[Bahman]

Catechism:

42 God transcends all creatures. We must therefore continually purify our language of everything in it that is limited, image-bound or imperfect, if we are not to confuse our image of God – “the inexpressible, the incomprehensible, the invisible, the ungraspable” – with our human representations. Our human words always fall short of the mystery of God.

43 Admittedly, in speaking about God like this, our language is using human modes of expression; nevertheless it really does attain to God himself, though unable to express him in his infinite simplicity. Likewise, we must recall that “between Creator and creature no similitude can be expressed without implying an even greater dissimilitude”;17 and that "concerning God, we cannot grasp what he is, but only what he is not, and how other beings stand in relation to him."18

scborromeo.org/ccc/ccc_toc.htm

Have good evening - I must now be away…

What?

 

[Bahman]

So, where are you guys?