Consecration of the world to Mary

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So I woke up this morning to catch the consecration on EWTN. I was a bit late and it was at the part where communion was distributed.

After the distribution of communion, they showed Pope Francis approach the statue of Our Lady of Fatima and after incensing seemed to pray (I am not Italian so did not understand). Then he went back to his seat and the crowd clapped.

Was that the consecration or did it happen earlier? (Since I have not seen how a Pope does it, I have no idea what it would look like). :o
 
Yep EWTN dose not want Americans to ear what popes are saying. Unless it suite their needs.
It would just confuse them from their political brain wash. And lies.
Too bad. Really sad. They would discover that there is something else that exist, they don’t want you to ear about it, they filter everything.

The consecration actually happened before the incent. It was a nice prayer.
Did not mentioned the immaculate hearth of Mary nor Russia :mad:
But still a nice prayer.
 
RayonGama said:
Yep EWTN dose not want Americans to ear what popes are saying. Unless it suite their needs.
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Did you ever think that maybe they just didn’t have live translators? They aren’t made of money, you know.
 
godisgood77 said:
Aren’t consecration and entrustment the same thing?
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No! 🙂 Consecration, from consecratio, is to make something sacred, to set apart. A consecration to the Immaculate Heart of Our Lady is to make something sacred in honor of Our Lady’s Immaculate Heart.

Entrustment, from affidare, is to commit something to someone else’s faith, to make promise based on someone else’s faith.

There is astonishing glory both in making the world sacred in honor of Our Lady’s immaculate heart, and in entrusting each and every human being to the faith of her immaculate heart. However, they are not the same, and I believe wondrous fruits will follow.
 
Thank you so much for your replies everyone. From what I gather, I think the part I did catch was the entrustment (Thanks R_C for clarifying that) so I am a happy man!!! 😃
 
If the Pope consecrated the world to Mary,their is nothing wrong,except that Mary wants the Pope and all the Bishops to said that they are Consecrating Russia at the same time and on the same day.Than Our Lady wish well be done as she asked.
 
By the way, this is not the first “Entrustment to Mary” 🙂 We find a previous one on Sunday 8 October 2000 (see here).

It would be, in a sense, a mistake to equal the acts of consecration to the Immaculate Heart of Mary to the acts of entrustment to Mary.
 
johnthebaptist2 said:
If the Pope consecrated the world to Mary,their is nothing wrong,except that Mary wants the Pope and all the Bishops to said that they are Consecrating Russia at the same time and on the same day.Than Our Lady wish well be done as she asked.
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Consecrating the world to our Lady fulfills our Lady’s words. You cannot consecrate the world to her without consecrating Russia to her.
 
dmar198 said:
Consecrating the world to our Lady fulfills our Lady’s words. You cannot consecrate the world to her without consecrating Russia to her.
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Our Lady specifically asked for Russia to be consecrated, not the world. So while you are correct that yes, Russia is part of the world, the two are not necessarily the same. I will remain in the “unsure” camp until I see Russia consecrated on its own.
 
larsont7 said:
Our Lady specifically asked for Russia to be consecrated, not the world. So while you are correct that yes, Russia is part of the world, the two are not necessarily the same. I will remain in the “unsure” camp until I see Russia consecrated on its own.
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They don’t have to be the same, Russia just has to be part of the world in order for it to take part in the consecration – and it is part of the world. In addition to that, Sister Lucia, who was one of the original seers, has stated that the consecration was more than sufficient to fulfill our Lady’s words, because the pope wasn’t trying to get around the need to confederate Russia but was explicitly trying to do that and do more as an act of love of our Lady. And, in addition to that, the prophecy was conditional upon the consecration taking place, and the prophecy came true when Communism fell. So the historical record backs up the case here too.
 
larsont7 said:
Our Lady specifically asked for Russia to be consecrated, not the world. So while you are correct that yes, Russia is part of the world, the two are not necessarily the same. I will remain in the “unsure” camp until I see Russia consecrated on its own.
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Pope Pius XII already did this. Pope John Paul II did this also. :rolleyes:
 
dmar198 said:
Consecrating the world to our Lady fulfills our Lady’s words. You cannot consecrate the world to her without consecrating Russia to her.
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I,am sorry too say,but I do a lot of reading about how Mary wish Consecration too be done.As a member of Fatima.I get reading material,and it always saids ,that Our Lady told Lucy the third child of Fatima,That in order for my wish to be for-fulled, The Pope and all the Bishops at the same time,on the same day have to say we are consecrating Russia to your Immaculate Heart,Read up on it,for I have and I know what Our Lady told Lucy. May God Jesus,help you fine that what I,am saying is the truth.I just got a article sent to me,which was publish Sept 10th,2013,in it it saids that they had a conference and many Priest say that the Consecration,has not be done the way that Our Lady wishes it to be done.
 
dmar198 said:
They don’t have to be the same, Russia just has to be part of the world in order for it to take part in the consecration – and it is part of the world. In addition to that, Sister Lucia, who was one of the original seers, has stated that the consecration was more than sufficient to fulfill our Lady’s words, because the pope wasn’t trying to get around the need to confederate Russia but was explicitly trying to do that and do more as an act of love of our Lady. And, in addition to that, the prophecy was conditional upon the consecration taking place, and the prophecy came true when Communism fell. So the historical record backs up the case here too.
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And I think that if anyone would know, it would be Sr. Lucia.
 
dmar198 said:
They don’t have to be the same, Russia just has to be part of the world in order for it to take part in the consecration – and it is part of the world. In addition to that, Sister Lucia, who was one of the original seers, has stated that the consecration was more than sufficient to fulfill our Lady’s words, because the pope wasn’t trying to get around the need to confederate Russia but was explicitly trying to do that and do more as an act of love of our Lady. And, in addition to that, the prophecy was conditional upon the consecration taking place, and the prophecy came true when Communism fell. So the historical record backs up the case here too.
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I have a bad feeling that this thread won’t remain open for long if it comes down to arguing about the consecration to Russia.

I’ll just state a fact: Our Lady did not ask for the consecration of the world. Our Lady asked for the consecration of Russia. And there has *not *been any solemn consecration of the Pope with all the bishops where the word Russia was mentioned. This was admitted even by Pope John Paul II, who said he was doing the best he could do under the actual circumstances.

Artifices have been employed so that we can say that indeed Russia has been consecrated by the Pope in union with all the bishops, since Russia is part of the world. So we cannot deny that the Pope did what God asked through Our Lady - even sr. Lucia admits this - but we must accept the very simple fact that the simple request, namely “consecrate Russia”, was not fulfilled in its simplicity - it is not up to you and me to understand why this happen, and we should be wise enough to understand that Christ foresaw this and that “all happens for the good of those who love God”.

And I do not know that the official end of the Soviet Union was the fulfillment of Our Lady’s promise. We do not know that. It may have been part of it, but we can’t just say it’s over - even Pope Benedict stated (as I quoted above):
We would be mistaken to think that Fatima’s prophetic mission is complete. …] May the seven years which separate us from the centenary of the apparitions hasten the fulfilment of the prophecy of the triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, to the glory of the Most Holy Trinity.
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Fatima is the greatest mystery of these times. We should focus on whether we are fulfilling Our Lady’s words, with the First Saturdays Communion of Reparation, the prayer of the Rosary, and the other prayers she gave us. Let Christ take care of the Church, his bride, and of the Pope, his vicar.
 
johnthebaptist2 said:
I,am sorry too say,but I do a lot of reading about how Mary wish Consecration too be done.As a member of Fatima.I get reading material,and it always saids ,that Our Lady told Lucy the third child of Fatima,That in order for my wish to be for-fulled, The Pope and all the Bishops at the same time,on the same day have to say we are consecrating Russia to your Immaculate Heart,Read up on it,for I have and I know what Our Lady told Lucy. May God Jesus,help you fine that what I,am saying is the truth.I just got a article sent to me,which was publish Sept 10th,2013,in it it saids that they had a conference and many Priest say that the Consecration,has not be done the way that Our Lady wishes it to be done.
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I don’t know how the thread I opened to got in to discussing consecrating to Russia.

But honestly, the fact that it was consecrated is clear to see if you look at Russia today. It has abandoned communism, it has already banned Gay propaganda, most politicians listen to the Orthodox Patriarchs, the Orthodox are in talks with the Vatican which more or less are progressing positively.

What on earth more can you ask for? I think its really sufficient to conclude that Russia is not the one spreading error like Our Lady said now. It is the North American and European parts of the world that have taken to doing that now. So hopefully this consecration (or entrust) of the world will put an end to that too.
 
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