Consecration of wine in "flaggon" forbidden

[JNB]

Use of the chalice for communion is rare outside of t he English speaking world and possibly parts of Westren Europe. When communion under both species is done, it is usually done via intinction(dipping the host into the precious blood by the priest or deacon). This method requires no extra Eucharistic ministers and it takes less time than when the Chalice is used. I think it is time for clergy in the US to consider this method again.

 

[loyola_rambler]

JNB:

Use of the chalice for communion is rare outside of t he English speaking world and possibly parts of Westren Europe. When communion under both species is done, it is usually done via intinction(dipping the host into the precious blood by the priest or deacon). This method requires no extra Eucharistic ministers and it takes less time than when the Chalice is used. I think it is time for clergy in the US to consider this method again.

Intinction is, unfortunately, totally foreign in some parts of this country. At my grandmother’s funeral a year and a half ago, my son and I both had strep throat. So I told him to make sure he handed the EME the host to dip for him. The EME was clueless. Even worse, when she was done and had a few drips of wine on her fingers, she wiped her hand on her dress. :banghead: I wrote a letter to the local diocese discussing it and the reply I got didn’t begin to fathom that anything was wrong with that. It’s even more ironic because this was happening when there was an outbreak of a deadly virus in Canada, just 40 miles away. I would have thought the bishop would have addressed it (as my cardinal had), but alas no.

When I was an EME in Chicago, we averaged 1200 - 1500 people at each service. There were 13 of us, plus the priest. We never had to change when the GIRM changed because basic logic had us pouring the wine well before consecration and distributing the eucharist to each other (as opposed to those who were taking their own and self-communicating). Communion averaged 8 minutes from the beginning of the song until the priest sat down. It was pure economies of scale and there were 2 EMEs distributing the hosts for every one who distributed wine. We didn’t have wine on major holidays except at the altar because there were just too many people to serve and there wasn’t enough room to safely serve everyone. No one seemed to mind (or at least no one wrote notes or made nasty phone calls)…and the service was flowing quite smoothly.

 

[JNB]

Intinction in the US is unknown except for in some parishes that service Spanish and Portuguese speaking communities and in some traditional parishes. An example of the later is SS Cyrill & Methodius and Assumption Grotto, in the archdiocese of Detroit as a way to limit EMHCs(both parishes have no EMHCs)

 

[Br.Rich_SFO]

RichT:

Reconsider what? The cups are usually all empty or really close to being empty. Using less cups would mean some would not receive both species. Also, our parish is two stories built stadium style with sections. There are very small walkways and we would have issues with people tripping over each other as well as traffic jams. The original question was in regards to the wine being consecrated in the flagon’s. Are you suggesting we eliminate the precious Blood? That doesn’t seem right. And since it wont happen that way, I don’t really see any other way to do it. One other thing, considering the amount of precious Blood that is consumed, it would take some monster size chalices if we elected to use less cups. Our pastor believes in serving everyone, so we don’t break the host, and we make sure there is enough Blood for everyone.

Yes that is exactly what I’m suggesting. Maybe during such a large Mass the chalice should NOT be offered to the Faithful only the Blessed Sacrament under the form of bread. This can be done very quickly and at many different"stations" around the Church. An open chalice of the Blood of Christ I would hope is not carried off away from the sanctuary into the body of the church or into the upper levels!! Talk about a risk of spilling!!!

I would note also that any Hosts carried off into the body of the Church or “upper deck” should be carried in a proper ciborium with a tight fitting lid.