Consecration/Rubric question

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I’ve never seen this before, and was frankly a little repulsed by the sight of it, but has anyone ever seen a priest at the elevation of the bread and wine, use one hand to do so, while the other hand rests on the altar? This was a Novus Ordo Mass.

It was alarmingly irreverent to me. Surely there is some instruction or rubric somewhere that indicates using two hands to elevate the bread and wine?
 
JDSinSA said:
I’ve never seen this before, and was frankly a little repulsed by the sight of it, but has anyone ever seen a priest at the elevation of the bread and wine, use one hand to do so, while the other hand rests on the altar? This was a Novus Ordo Mass.

It was alarmingly irreverent to me. Surely there is some instruction or rubric somewhere that indicates using two hands to elevate the bread and wine?
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Well no in the novus ordo rubrics it says to show it (the host/chalice) to the people. So even a high elevation isn’t mandated… many priest raise it no higher then to eye level since they are facing the people already… and could see what’s the priest is doing anyway…
 
JDSinSA said:
I’ve never seen this before, and was frankly a little repulsed by the sight of it, but has anyone ever seen a priest at the elevation of the bread and wine, use one hand to do so, while the other hand rests on the altar? This was a Novus Ordo Mass.

It was alarmingly irreverent to me. Surely there is some instruction or rubric somewhere that indicates using two hands to elevate the bread and wine?
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Yes. I’ve seen someone do it many times.

It was beloved John Paul the Great.
 
We had a Polish priest as PV at my parish 5 years ago and he did the same thing. Perhaps it is a Polish custom?
 
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Really? Wow. Yet, I have to say, it still looks irreverent and sloppy to me. Hmm.
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Well… JohnPaul II did it when he was in his last years… he was frail… and possibly hard to lift both arms… but this is just what i’ve seen in videos of JohnPaul II celebrating mass… I could be wrong… maybe he did it when he a younger pope… Someone might want to prove/disprove me on this…
 
sancte_joseph said:
Well… JohnPaul II did it when he was in his last years… he was frail… and possibly hard to lift both arms… but this is just what i’ve seen in videos of JohnPaul II celebrating mass… I could be wrong… maybe he did it when he a younger pope… Someone might want to prove/disprove me on this…
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You are right - not only did he use two hands when he was younger but he also followed some of the hand motions of the Traditional Mass (rub fingers, etc.) as I presume he was taught
 
JDSinSA said:
I’ve never seen this before, and was frankly a little repulsed by the sight of it, but has anyone ever seen a priest at the elevation of the bread and wine, use one hand to do so, while the other hand rests on the altar? This was a Novus Ordo Mass.

It was alarmingly irreverent to me. Surely there is some instruction or rubric somewhere that indicates using two hands to elevate the bread and wine?
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Was it an elderly priest, who might have had a physical handicap?
 
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You are right - not only did he use two hands when he was younger but he also followed some of the hand motions of the Traditional Mass (rub fingers, etc.) as I presume he was taught
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I actually found a video of the dear pope in his younger years and like you said in the beginning he rubs his fingers before picking up the host…
It’s about one minute into the video
youtube.com/watch?v=WAbmRut5Z7w
 
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Was it an elderly priest, who might have had a physical handicap?
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Not sure of his exact age, but late fifties, early sixties. In great shape.

His elevation was very nonchalant, just kinda like whatever, (like his whole Mass basically), but when he just one handed the host, and then the chalice, I just thought, that can’t be right…surely there is some instruction somewhere that says you can’t just one hand it like that.

For the record, I don’t go to that parish, I belong to a TLM parish but I have to bear this priest and Mass when I visit my Mom every so often.
 
Our new parochial vicar (who is, FTR, of Polish descent, not elderly, not obviously impeded) does this, among other annoying tendencies*. When showing the host, he holds it in one hand, flat in his upturned palm, about shoulder height – The way you would show someone your hand is empty (except he *is *holding the host).

(* More on that in another thread – In the meanwhile, I just try to give thanks that he is here, providing the sacraments for us)

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JDSinSA said:
I’ve never seen this before, and was frankly a little repulsed by the sight of it, but has anyone ever seen a priest at the elevation of the bread and wine, use one hand to do so, while the other hand rests on the altar? This was a Novus Ordo Mass.

It was alarmingly irreverent to me. Surely there is some instruction or rubric somewhere that indicates using two hands to elevate the bread and wine?
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I’ve seen this done when a Priest is not able to use one of his hands/arms for medical reasons but other than that it strikes me as a little odd.
 
For the record, I don’t go to that parish, I belong to a TLM parish but I have to bear this priest and Mass when I visit my Mom every so often.
**I think it’s WONDERFUL you can bear a priest and authorized Liturgy of the Church.

What tolerance you must have.

And as far as discerning he has a “whatever” attitude–how do you stand the terrible burden of being able to look into people’s hearts, especially that of a priest celebrant?**
 
bpbasilphx said:
For the record, I don’t go to that parish, I belong to a TLM parish but I have to bear this priest and Mass when I visit my Mom every so often.
**I think it’s WONDERFUL you can bear a priest and authorized Liturgy of the Church.

What tolerance you must have.

And as far as discerning he has a “whatever” attitude–how do you stand the terrible burden of being able to look into people’s hearts, especially that of a priest celebrant?**
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Not looking into his heart, I am looking at his actions. The action of holding the host with one hand at consecration seems deficient in reverence. Just pointing out, inquiring if there was a rubric concerning it. That’s all.
 
The priest may need to do this so he doesn’t fall over. Even seemingly healthy people can have balance problems.
 
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