Conservative episcopalians...Why are you staying?

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Hi GKC,

I was just reading about the Reformed Episcopal Church yesterday so I can appreciate the analogy. I suppose the Church of England has yet to do something as extreme as the Episcopal Church. If they do, however, I think we could see more churches similar to the ACNA develop in England. I suppose this could be stunted somewhat by the whole national identity thing though…very different dynamic than here in the United States.
At one time there was a REC branch in Great Britain. They merged with the Free Churches.

The established nature of the CoE is going to be a major obstacle to forming anything like the ACNA, except de novo. Not saying it couldn’t happen; there are (IIRC) 3-4 Continuum-like parishes that are not Free Church.

GKC
 
At one time there was a REC branch in Great Britain. They merged with the Free Churches.

The established nature of the CoE is going to be a major obstacle to forming anything like the ACNA, except de novo. Not saying it couldn’t happen; there are (IIRC) 3-4 Continuum-like parishes that are not Free Church.

GKC
Time will, sadly so, ultimately tell.
 
For me it is having to do the RCIA. It takes months and months of going through what I’ve already been taught. I honestly don’t have the time with all that is going on in my life to go to RCIA classes.
I can understand that yes…but what about the Anglican Church in North America or a continuing Anglican Church?
 
I can understand that yes…but what about the Anglican Church in North America or a continuing Anglican Church?
I would embrace that, however, there isn’t any in my immediate area. I’m in a situation where I don’t really fit with the really liberal Episcopal church and I’m not allowed sacraments in the Catholic church. Unfortunately, I can’t remember the last time I received communion. 😦
 
I would embrace that, however, there isn’t any in my immediate area. I’m in a situation where I don’t really fit with the really liberal Episcopal church and I’m not allowed sacraments in the Catholic church. Unfortunately, I can’t remember the last time I received communion. 😦
I am very sad to hear that…I think we are all praying the Episcopal Church reforms itself sooner rather than later. Anything is possible.
 
I’m not really all that conservative, although I doubt that many conservatives would see themselves as such. I’m not on board with most recent trends in the Episcopal Church. I do, however, wholeheartedly support women’s ordination, so I’d have a hard time committing to a church which opposed it. Also, my local parish of the Episcopal Church is more conservative in its outlook than the national leadership. Altogether, it’s a good fit. Plus, I was born there.
 
Just curious…Why are some conservative Episcopalians staying in the Episcopal Church rather than leaving for the Catholic Church, a continuing Anglican church, or the Anglican Church in North America?
It is the same question I have asked of conservative/confessional Lutherans still in the ELCA. 🤷
Some wish to stay and right the ship.

Jon
 
There are Church of England priests I am aware of who have announced their intention to join the Ordinariate, who are still living off Anglican stipends and acting like priests even though apparently they do not believe they are priests any more. That is a sham.
Agreed, I don’t see how they can do it. If you truly believe as the Catholics must, that Anglican orders are invalid, then you have to get to the Catholic Church right away. If you don’t believe that, you shouldn’t convert.
 
Very interesting stuff. Your assertions are rather persuasive, and obviously the answer to this question is going to be different for everyone who is actually Anglican, but even with the problems you mentioned, wouldn’t a conservative Anglican rather deal with “petty jurisdictional squabbles” or issues relating to the provincial structure than deal with the kind of lunacy associated with some of the TEC’s leadership?
When it comes to the continuing churches, many Episcopalians have remarked that they are very small and essentially the main purpose of their existence is to provide personal fiefdoms for their bishops. They don’t really see the continuum as having the potential to be a vibrant and strong orthodox Anglican province. Bear in mind that the continuum began as one body, but the bishops started fighting and it broke up into tiny units.

The ACNA is a good option for many, but for some it isn’t.

I think the main reason people stay though is that they have been lucky to find an orthodox parish with orthodox priests and if they are really lucky they are in a diocese with an orthodox bishop. They are able to focus on their local parish and ignore all the craziness that goes on elsewhere.
 
It is the same question I have asked of conservative/confessional Lutherans still in the ELCA. 🤷
Some wish to stay and right the ship.

Jon
Good point, although that one is even more baffling for me personally because the LCMS has such a large organization already in place that you don’t have the same problems that many Episcopalians have with the continuing Anglican churches and Anglican Church in North America.
 
When it comes to the continuing churches, many Episcopalians have remarked that they are very small and essentially the main purpose of their existence is to provide personal fiefdoms for their bishops. They don’t really see the continuum as having the potential to be a vibrant and strong orthodox Anglican province. Bear in mind that the continuum began as one body, but the bishops started fighting and it broke up into tiny units.

The ACNA is a good option for many, but for some it isn’t.

I think the main reason people stay though is that they have been lucky to find an orthodox parish with orthodox priests and if they are really lucky they are in a diocese with an orthodox bishop. They are able to focus on their local parish and ignore all the craziness that goes on elsewhere.
I think you may very well have nailed it on the last part of your sentence. I have found one thing in common with all of the conservative (theologically of course) Episcopalians who stay in the Episcopal Church and that is that they have found an orthodox parish. If it’s not directly causing problems for them, they are going to stick it out. I can relate to that to some extent.
 
When it comes to the continuing churches, many Episcopalians have remarked that they are very small and essentially the main purpose of their existence is to provide personal fiefdoms for their bishops. They don’t really see the continuum as having the potential to be a vibrant and strong orthodox Anglican province. Bear in mind that the continuum began as one body, but the bishops started fighting and it broke up into tiny units.

The ACNA is a good option for many, but for some it isn’t.

I think the main reason people stay though is that they have been lucky to find an orthodox parish with orthodox priests and if they are really lucky they are in a diocese with an orthodox bishop. They are able to focus on their local parish and ignore all the craziness that goes on elsewhere.
Also, great point about the continuing churches breaking up. I am rather young (25) and up until relatively recently had no interest in the Anglican Church. As such, it’s probably harder for me to understand the dynamics of how people feel regarding the continuing churches after they watched them break off and then break apart.
 
Also, great point about the continuing churches breaking up. I am rather young (25) and up until relatively recently had no interest in the Anglican Church. As such, it’s probably harder for me to understand the dynamics of how people feel regarding the continuing churches after they watched them break off and then break apart.
By ironic coincidence, that first Continuing Church, following the St. Louis Congress in 1977, was titled the Anglican Church in North America (ACNA). Which did indeed, rapidly fracture, into a number of the still functioning Continuum jurisdictions. Which continues to try to reassemble, in some fashion.

I recommend DIVIDED WE STAND/Douglas Bess, for a history of the Continuum.

GKC
 
By ironic coincidence, that first Continuing Church, following the St. Louis Congress in 1977, was titled the Anglican Church in North America (ACNA). Which did indeed, rapidly fracture, into a number of the still functioning Continuum jurisdictions. Which continues to try to reassemble, in some fashion.

I recommend DIVIDED WE STAND/Douglas Bess, for a history of the Continuum.

GKC
Great citation, I will check it out.
 
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