Conservative Parish in Orlando

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I no longer find the two parishes near my house acceptable. Among other things, I have witnessed the following there:
  • The priest saying during Mass that the altar girls might someday become priestesses
  • Women’s feet being washed on Holy Thursday
  • Frequent clapping during Mass (and not for Our Lord)
  • Immodestly dressed women and teenaged girls
  • Sloppily dressed men
And there are probably others I can’t remember.

By the way, what I’m looking for is not so much the Tridentine Mass (though I wouldn’t mind it), but a proper ordinary mass.
 
I no longer find the two parishes near my house acceptable. Among other things, I have witnessed the following there:
  • The priest saying during Mass that the altar girls might someday become priestesses
  • Women’s feet being washed on Holy Thursday
  • Frequent clapping during Mass (and not for Our Lord)
  • Immodestly dressed women and teenaged girls
  • Sloppily dressed men
And there are probably others I can’t remember.

By the way, what I’m looking for is not so much the Tridentine Mass (though I wouldn’t mind it), but a proper ordinary mass.
Contact your Bishop if heretical teachings are being spoken in Church by a Priest
 
But this?
  • The priest saying during Mass that the altar girls might someday become priestesses
:eek:

Is that not blatant heresy?
I’m not sure if it’s technically heresy, though it might be. Whatever it is, I think it does fall in the category described below.

[BIBLEDRB]Matthew 18:6[/BIBLEDRB]
 
The priestess comment is troubling. Some of the others the priest has little control over, such as how members of the congregation are dressed. I’m quite sure it is okay to use men/women for washing of feet on Holy Thursday. I think they are just supposed to use members of the congregations, but it doesn’t matter who. We are all disciples of Jesus.
 
Looked it up. Men or women are officially allowed to participate in washing of feet in U.S. and Canada. However, if you were to go to Rome, it is not allowed.
 
Looked it up. Men or women are officially allowed to participate in washing of feet in U.S. and Canada. However, if you were to go to Rome, it is not allowed.
Where did you look it up? I was under the impression that it had to be twelve men whose feet get washed on Holy Thursday.
 
Looked it up. Men or women are officially allowed to participate in washing of feet in U.S. and Canada. However, if you were to go to Rome, it is not allowed.
Did you look that up on the USCCB site? In short, their site is in error in this matter. Rome later clarified, and said that only men are to have their feet washed.

If you look closely at the USCCB page, they even subtly admit that they are breaking the rubrics, but don’t seem to care (“While this variation may differ from the rubric of the [Missal] which mentions only men, [we think there’s nothing wrong with washing women’s feet too, because Christ said to love each other.].”).

I don’t have the letter from Rome handy, maybe someone else can post it, but in short, it is made very clear that no matter your location, only men are to have their feet washed.

It’s really too bad that we can’t always trust the website of our own bishop’s conference.
 
=fkjuliano;9556634]I no longer find the two parishes near my house acceptable. Among other things, I have witnessed the following there:
  • The priest saying during Mass that the altar girls might someday become priestesses
  • Women’s feet being washed on Holy Thursday
  • Frequent clapping during Mass (and not for Our Lord)
  • Immodestly dressed women and teenaged girls
  • Sloppily dressed men
And there are probably others I can’t remember.
By the way, what I’m looking for is not so much the Tridentine Mass (though I wouldn’t mind it), but a proper ordinary mass.
As BOTH a Brother In Christ and one under the same Bishop and Arch-bishop I would prayerfully suggest you put your concerns in writting to BOTH the Bishop and CC the Arch - Bishop.

From my limited experience with BOTH, they would be very much apposed to what you have experienced [excluding the dress apparal issues so common to Florida and most of the USA].

Be brief
specific: times, dates, specific comments, evidence of such if available
Kind
and give your FULL contact information.

God Bless you,
pat/PJM
 
I went to St Joseph’s Church on Alafaya Trail (near Waterford Lakes Mall) for a long time before I moved away from Orlando. They have 3 Sunday Masses, very reverent OF Mass, very conservative but suprisingly also a very family oriented Parish. Pater Noster, Agnus Dei, Sanctus, is sung in Latin and the elevation is chanted in Latin by the priests. I visited last year and the same Pastor is there and it continues to be a wonderful and reverent congregation and community.
 
This happened a couple of years ago. I’d just come back to the faith and I didn’t feel very bold.
What has the priest been teaching recently? I wouldn’t change parishes over an incident that happened once, several years ago. Certainly, you shouldn’t write to the bishop about this.

Your first step is to speak to each pastor individually and charitably. Let them know what is troubling you and ask for advice and assistance. Do not bring up things that happen at parish A when you are speaking to pastor B - be specific. See what your priest has to say and in good faith implement his suggestions - and you may be pleasently suprised to see him accept and implement yours.

Don’t linger too much on what your fellow parishioners are wearing though. While the pastor of a parish can influence that, he’sd not buying people’s clothes or dressing them. In Florida in paricular, that is an uphill battle that isn’t worth changing parishes over.

I highly recommend that as ordinary Latin Catholics (ie, not Rite or language-specific), that we attend at our local parishes. It helps to build a Catholic community for your family and neighborhood when you see people from your parish at school, the grocery, parks, etc.
 
About the only way you’ll avoid the things that trouble you at your local Mass is to attend with the FSSP, Institute of Christ the King, or a similar Society of traditional priests.
Even there you’ll find ocassional immodest dress but it is rather rare as the priests tend to “nip things in the bud” early.

At least that has been my experience.
 
Sadly, these are common over here. Even one of our Bishops, the Bishops’ Conference general secretary, said that women can be ordained in the future.

And I get the impression some of the people in Pastoral activities, Secular Institutes, etc, think that one is too extreme by merely following CCC.

The things I have seen and heard… 😦

Blessings!

🙂
 
I no longer find the two parishes near my house acceptable. Among other things, I have witnessed the following there:
  • The priest saying during Mass that the altar girls might someday become priestesses
    *** Women’s feet being washed on Holy Thursday**
  • Frequent clapping during Mass (and not for Our Lord)
  • Immodestly dressed women and teenaged girls
  • Sloppily dressed men
And there are probably others I can’t remember.

By the way, what I’m looking for is not so much the Tridentine Mass (though I wouldn’t mind it), but a proper ordinary mass.
If I may ask, what’s wrong with women getting their feet washed on Holy Thursday? :confused:

Is it bad if men get their feet washed too, or is it only bad if the women do??
 
I went to St Joseph’s Church on Alafaya Trail (near Waterford Lakes Mall) for a long time before I moved away from Orlando. They have 3 Sunday Masses, very reverent OF Mass, very conservative but suprisingly also a very family oriented Parish. Pater Noster, Agnus Dei, Sanctus, is sung in Latin and the elevation is chanted in Latin by the priests. I visited last year and the same Pastor is there and it continues to be a wonderful and reverent congregation and community.
I will back this up. Fr. Andrej is very old school. He also does a EF Mass every Sunday at 2 at All Souls Chapel.
 
There are some misunderstandings here and some things that can be dealt with much better off CAF than on CAF.

I know Bishop Noonan personally. If he ever found out that one of his parishioners was taking such an issue to the general public on a forum and not to him, he would be very hurt. I knew this man as Father Noonan and as Bishop Noonan. He is very helpful to his priests. If and when there is a concern, he does not beat them over the head, nor does he ignore them either. He does his best to work with the priest.

If there is a real problem with Father X, Bishop Noonan will help Father X, not beat him up. If there is just a minor point, he will deal with it or ask someone with enough authority and knowledge to do so.

He’s gentle, has a wonderful sense of humor, is intelligent, likes people, loves his priests, and is very committed to his diocese. He has a very good diocese. He inherited the diocese that was vacated by Archbishop Wenski who is an excellent bishop.

As to the washing of the feet, there is a misunderstanding here. The General Instructions in the Roman Missal (GIRM) are just that, “general”. There are rubrics that conferences of bishops can dispense with or if your parish is run by a religious order, the religious superior can dispense with certain rubrics. They are not all equal in gravity and necessity.

For example, washing the feet of women, does not change the Mass of the Lord’s Supper. You can omit the ritual and it still will not change the mass as long as you use the propers. I’m not suggesting that you omit the ritual. I’m going somewhere here.

On the other hand, you cannot switch from unleavened bread to leavened bread unless you’re in jail or some place like that where that’s all you have. This rubric is significantly more important on the hierarchy of rules. No bishop or religious superior can change it. Changing it does have an effect on the mass. The consecration is valid, but illicit. The exception being someone like St. Maximilian Kolbe who had to consecrate leavened bread. No chance for a host in a concentration camp. His mass was perfectly legal, even without a canon.

Another example, the pastor is the person who usually washes the feet. He should be the presider at this mass. I have a very good friend who has CP. He can’t get up and down. He has no mobility in his legs and he is a pastor. The deacon does the washing. The GIRM does provide for a deacon to do it. But the bishop can.

There are things that bishops and male religious superiors are allowed to do for pastoral reasons. That’s why the instructions are called General. They are the norm, but they are not of equal gravity and some can be changed by anyone who is an Ordinary. You don’t need a conference of bishops. A diocesan bishop is an ordinary. A male religious superior who is either a general superior or a provincial superior is an ordinary. An abbot is an ordinary

The misunderstanding for the laity comes in that these rights and privileges granted to ordinaries are not found in the missals. They exist in letters, older documents or in files. If we were to put every document about the mass into the missal, it would be a three volume set. Two volumes just for all the instructions on the instructions and the possible exceptions.

The USCCB site is saying it correctly. They’re saying, “we know that the GIRM says X, but we are authorizing Y, because we believe it’s a good thing to do.” As long as there is no canonical objection, they can collectively do this or any bishop or religious superior can do it for his own men. This does not affect the validity or liceity of the mass. It’s a low priority item compared to other rubrics.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, FFV 🙂
 
I no longer find the two parishes near my house acceptable.
By the way, what I’m looking for is not so much the Tridentine Mass (though I wouldn’t mind it), but a proper ordinary mass.
You’d have had better luck getting your question answered if you’d left off all the additional info, it just distracts people.

Since you are posting this in the TC forum I’m going to suggest you check out the mass listings on ecclesiadei and see if there is one near you.
 
You’d have had better luck getting your question answered if you’d left off all the additional info, it just distracts people.

Since you are posting this in the TC forum I’m going to suggest you check out the mass listings on ecclesiadei and see if there is one near you.
If I posted in the wrong forum, I apologize. I interpreted “traditional” as meaning generally conservative.
 
I must say that I disagree with some of my friends over the issue of how parishioners dress. If priests have little control over that, it’s because they choose not to exercise such control. I know for a fact that in many Protestant churches respectful dress for both genders is required, even in sunny Florida. If that rule is enforced there, how much more carefully should it be adhered to where the Real Presence of Jesus Christ is found?

It may be that some parishioners would choose not to attend because of that, but as long experience has shown it’s permissiveness–not loving and faithful respect for tradition–that does real damage.
 
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