Considering becoming Dominican friar - being prevented by some last obstacles

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Dear friends,

I would be most grateful for your prayer and (name removed by moderator)ut regarding the following matter - I will keep my message short, for I could write a small novel without any additional syntax.

I am considering becoming a Dominican friar after much thought. What is keeping me from committing to this decision with total freedom and acceptance is my need to be loved, appreciated, and cared for in an intimate, romantic relationship.

I appreciate the similarities between the greater relationship with the Lord and His Church, but in a weak, human, and pragmatic sense, this is a massive difficulty for me. Until recently, the sacrament of marriage was not only mandatory in my eyes, but the pinnacle of my earthly, human life. I also have struggled with this notion psychologically for many years, as this relationship has been largely absent in my life.

I would like your spiritual, practical, and sympathetic advice regarding this matter. Of course, your prayer is most appreciated, and I look forward to any replies.

Yours in Christ,

L
 
If you considered marriage to be “mandatory” and the “pinnacle” of your life, then why are you considering becoming a Dominican friar? It sounds like what you really want is to get married and you’re trying to shove that in the background to be a friar…that’s not going to work.
 
Please consider this post with sympathy, and the benefit of a doubt. At the expense of context, I wanted to keep my message short.

I am a medical student having completed my third year, but I wish to discontinue as it is no longer a vocation I wish to pursue. This decision is multifaceted - my only big area of study and passion is philosophy and theology, I wish to commit my life to something vocational, my prayer life is structured and regular, I am a Benedictine Oblate, and the most peaceful and complete moments of my life are in prayer, at Mass, before the Eucharist, etc. Even with this, there is much, much more to this query.

I don’t wish to speak too heavily or contextually, because I wanted to address my feeling and psychological/emotional tenancies. I have made it this far after discussion with my local Bishop and the Dominican Vocations Director.
 
Please consider this post with sympathy, and the benefit of a doubt. At the expense of context, I wanted to keep my message short.

I am a medical student having completed my third year, but I wish to discontinue as it is no longer a vocation I wish to pursue. This decision is multifaceted - my only big area of study and passion is philosophy and theology, I wish to commit my life to something vocational, my prayer life is structured and regular, I am a Benedictine Oblate, and the most peaceful and complete moments of my life are in prayer, at Mass, before the Eucharist, etc. Even with this, there is much, much more to this query.

I don’t wish to speak too heavily or contextually, because I wanted to address my feeling and psychological/emotional tenancies. I have made it this far after discussion with my local Bishop and the Dominican Vocations Director.
So why on earth are you rehashing things here with amateurs?

Get further regular counsel from the vocations director if you still are perplexed in a major way which sounds the case.
 
So why on earth are you rehashing things here with amateurs?

Get further regular counsel from the vocations director if you still are perplexed in a major way which sounds the case.
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You need to discuss this with people who have expertise (i.e. the vocations director) and also hopefully you will share all the facts of the situation with them, no matter how complicated. Aside from being amateurs as the above person pointed out, it sounds like this is too long and complex and personal of a matter for you to set forth fully online, which suggests to me that this is maybe not a good place to deal with it.

Praying for your discernment in this situation.
 
Please consider this post with sympathy, and the benefit of a doubt. At the expense of context, I wanted to keep my message short.

I am a medical student having completed my third year, but I wish to discontinue as it is no longer a vocation I wish to pursue.
most religious orders aren’t interested in accepting folks with debt, including student debt.
 
Dear friends,

I would be most grateful for your prayer and (name removed by moderator)ut regarding the following matter - I will keep my message short, for I could write a small novel without any additional syntax.

I am considering becoming a Dominican friar after much thought. What is keeping me from committing to this decision with total freedom and acceptance is my need to be loved, appreciated, and cared for in an intimate, romantic relationship.

I appreciate the similarities between the greater relationship with the Lord and His Church, but in a weak, human, and pragmatic sense, this is a massive difficulty for me. Until recently, the sacrament of marriage was not only mandatory in my eyes, but the pinnacle of my earthly, human life. I also have struggled with this notion psychologically for many years, as this relationship has been largely absent in my life.

I would like your spiritual, practical, and sympathetic advice regarding this matter. Of course, your prayer is most appreciated, and I look forward to any replies.

Yours in Christ,

L
Please consider this post with sympathy, and the benefit of a doubt. At the expense of context, I wanted to keep my message short.

I am a medical student having completed my third year, but I wish to discontinue as it is no longer a vocation I wish to pursue. This decision is multifaceted - my only big area of study and passion is philosophy and theology, I wish to commit my life to something vocational, my prayer life is structured and regular, I am a Benedictine Oblate, and the most peaceful and complete moments of my life are in prayer, at Mass, before the Eucharist, etc. Even with this, there is much, much more to this query.

I don’t wish to speak too heavily or contextually, because I wanted to address my feeling and psychological/emotional tenancies. I have made it this far after discussion with my local Bishop and the Dominican Vocations Director.
As a priest, I am not sure what meaningful advice could be offered to you in this circumstance.

You say that there is “much much more to this query” and that the decision is “multifaceted.” Having done formation work, I am quite confident that this is very true…but it is precisely in the absence of such details that there is little basis upon which to offer advice.

You say that you are “considering” becoming a Dominican friar and that you have had “discussion” with your bishop and with the vocation director for the friars…but there is a long continuum between considering a vocation and having a discussion with the vocation director and being on the eve of entering. You say that you have made it “this far” but I have no idea what that represents or where you are in the process.

I will say that, as a diocesan priest, when a parishioner approached the bishops I served about a potential Religious vocation, the person would be warmly encouraged but unless they were actually close to the bishop in their lives, or were a former seminarian of ours, he was not making any sort of judgment or discernment about the matter of vocation because it is outside of his jurisdiction – the matter rests with the Major Superior of the Religious Community concerned and their mechanism of internal governance.

What you do not say, however, does give me pause for concern. You mention your considering, the bishop, and the vocation director…you do not mention your own spiritual director, who is key for a decision as life altering as leaving medical school and trying your vocation in Religious life. He is really the one to turn to in this moment. I would hope he has been helping you throughout this process – considering, for example, all the vocational prospects for a man in your circumstance.

You do mention, moreover, that you a Benedictine Oblate. Given this is such a major decision, have you considered making a retreat at the monastery whose oblature you belong to and laying out your concerns before a senior monk, preferably one who knows you already, to have the benefit of his counsel – one to whom you could explain all these unstated particulars and who, thus, would not be trying to offer advice while blindfolded?

Not knowing you, not knowing the particulars, not having any concepts of these issues which have weighed upon you, as you say, for years obviates any meaningful advice beyond the platitudinous.

I gladly assure you of my prayers.
 
Gosh, I’m praying that God may send some light into your heart and mind…

:crossrc:
 
There are definitely too many issues to consider here.
It is a major decision to stop going to medical school, and not one to be made lightly.
As an oblate, you can still be married, if that is what you consider to be your calling while pursuing a medical career.
It does seem as if you are conflicted between the idea of being married and a call to religious life. That is something that only a spiritual/vocational director can help you with. The ultimate decision will be yours and yours alone.
I have a brother who spent a year in seminary. He spoke of men deciding at the last moment that the priesthood was not their calling. It was after a single year in seminary that he knew he was called to marriage. He has 4 grown children.
The man who would become my husband was still considering returning to seminary when I “turned his head.”
The religious life is a calling. It is not a “running away” but a “running towards” something. The same can be said about marriage. I was still young when I met the man I would marry. I was not even thinking about marriage as a possibility. I had never taught that marriage was necessary for happiness, as many are.
Consider your calling carefully. It does not need to be rushed. Be sure you are not simply throwing away a career, or making a decision in haste.
As others have stated, your spiritual/vocational director is a much better guide than any of us who do not know you personally.
 
If you have a need to be loved and appreciated, that may get in your way.

Christ went forward fulfilling His mission and the Will of the Father without having His “mortal needs” met…
 
Why not look into the third order?
He couldn’t be an oblate and in the third order at the same time. But then he couldn’t be a friar and an oblate at the same time either.

Oblation is a viable way to deepen one’s spiritual life and take on the charisms of an order and a specific monastery, without renouncing one’s secular commitments and aspirations. I don’t know enough about the third order to comment but I suspect it is similar but with the Dominican and not Benedictine charism.
 
He couldn’t be an oblate and in the third order at the same time. But then he couldn’t be a friar and an oblate at the same time either.

Oblation is a viable way to deepen one’s spiritual life and take on the charisms of an order and a specific monastery, without renouncing one’s secular commitments and aspirations. I don’t know enough about the third order to comment but I suspect it is similar but with the Dominican and not Benedictine charism.
My concern is that he renouncing secular commitments before knowing enough about his actual calling.
Whether a friar or oblate, he will be called to continue praying the LOTH. He can do this while being a layperson, a Benedictine Oblate.
His spiritual director is the best guide.
This is a large commitment involved in medical studies. Is he sure he wants to discontinue those studies, independent of any sense of calling to be a friar?
Is there another religious order that would be more in keeping with his talents? Is the medical field where his talents lie, or does he feel he was called in that direction due to family pressure? These are personal questions beyond the scope of this forum. They need to be explored with a spiritual director.
The decision cannot be one made because of Depression, or rushed because of a false sense of calling that may be overshadowing his true calling. If he is called to continue medical studies, as well as a religious vocation, perhaps he can be directed toward an order that will allow him to follow both.
Making a hasty decision now will lead to resentment later.
 
Making a hasty decision now will lead to resentment later.
Absolutely and there are too many question marks for us here to be able to offer meaningful advice. He needs a spiritual director or vocations director asap. One can only join and succeed in an order if one shares the charism of the order. It’s a tough road, we’re talking 3-5 years of postulancy, noviciate, simple profession and solemn profession. At the end, it’s the community itself that gets to vote on accepting/rejecting the candidate, at least in Benedictine communities.
 
Please consider this post with sympathy, and the benefit of a doubt. At the expense of context, I wanted to keep my message short.

I am a medical student having completed my third year, but I wish to discontinue as it is no longer a vocation I wish to pursue. This decision is multifaceted - my only big area of study and passion is philosophy and theology, I wish to commit my life to something vocational, my prayer life is structured and regular, I am a Benedictine Oblate, and the most peaceful and complete moments of my life are in prayer, at Mass, before the Eucharist, etc. Even with this, there is much, much more to this query.

I don’t wish to speak too heavily or contextually, because I wanted to address my feeling and psychological/emotional tenancies. I have made it this far after discussion with my local Bishop and the Dominican Vocations Director.
I can offer you a meaningful piece of advice…

Get out of debt. I’m confident that no province in the USA will take you with student loans of any kind… And if you are 3 years deep in med school, this could be a significant problem. Unless you are Richie Rich, you will want to speak ASAP with the VD for whichever province you are considering, then he will likely want you to get to know the province better, possibly for a year or more, by visiting parishes, ministries, etc. Then once you are really serious and have decided to apply for novitiate (there is not a “real” postulancy, at least in the province I’m familiar with - it’s about a week long), then you could probably start working with the Laboure Society or some similar organization to get rid of the debt.
 
I am considering becoming a Dominican friar after much thought. What is keeping me from committing to this decision with total freedom and acceptance is my need to be loved, appreciated, and cared for in an intimate, romantic relationship.

I appreciate the similarities between the greater relationship with the Lord and His Church, but in a weak, human, and pragmatic sense, this is a massive difficulty for me. Until recently, the sacrament of marriage was not only mandatory in my eyes, but the pinnacle of my earthly, human life. I also have struggled with this notion psychologically for many years, as this relationship has been largely absent in my life.
Going by what you are saying, and taking it at face value, I think you’ll continue to struggle until you meet the person who God intends to bring you the rest of the way. Marriage could be tough for you if you are “needy”. You could work through it over many years with the right person. A spiritual director or vocational director will not be able to help you choose a spouse, so I assume that’s why you’re here at CAF asking for advice…not advice on choosing a spouse, but advice on relationships in a marriage.

Pray and be patient. Don’t be afraid to test the water.
 
Going by what you are saying, and taking it at face value, I think you’ll continue to struggle until you meet the person who God intends to bring you the rest of the way. Marriage could be tough for you if you are “needy”. You could work through it over many years with the right person. A spiritual director or vocational director will not be able to help you choose a spouse, so I assume that’s why you’re here at CAF asking for advice…not advice on choosing a spouse, but advice on relationships in a marriage.

Pray and be patient. Don’t be afraid to test the water.
No one person is going to meet your needs.
St. Augustine writes, “We are restless until we rest in God.”
My concern still centers on the reason why a third year med student would choose to give up his medical studies. That is not something to verbalize on this forum.
It is good that you find peace within your prayer life, and have a greater desire for philosophical and theological studies.
When Peter, James, and John spent time with Our Lord on Mt. Tabor, He reminded them that they needed to return to the marketplace. It is something that those of us who have experienced the mountain top experience of prayer are well aware of. There is a point in time when we need to come down into the valley and return to work in the field, in factories, or the market place, wherever it is that God wants us to be.
Consider carefully why you went into the medical field? Was it for the money or some higher calling? The medical field can indeed be a vocation. There are religious orders dedicated to the medical calling.
Check out vocations.org
There are different vocations within the medical field. I have a granddaughter currently considering medical school knowing she would be much better working in a research lab. She’s currently pursuing nano technology at the local technical college, which led her to thinking about medical school.
As others have mentioned, almost all orders require a person to be debt free although some will help you work through school debt.

If you are called to married, what do you have to offer the relationship? As you sure enough about yourself to give yourself to another person? Knowing that I was marrying the man God had chosen for me was less about what he had to offer, and more about what I discovered about myself when I was with him. It was about what I brought to the relationship, when I wasn’t even thinking about marriage as a possibility.

CK Chesterton says we give up everything else every time we make a choice.
 
Your experiences are understandable & relatable, to some extent. The only way to discover the need to be loved & cared for in a romantically intimate relationship all starts with our relationship with Jesus. The more we learn how much He already loves & cares for us, the deeper our relationship becomes & contentment occurs. Studying and integrating Jesus’ Way, Truth, & Life into our daily lives can teach us what type of lifestyle and relationships we truly need and eventually what Vocation we are all called to selflessly, virtuously, & joyfully. It is clear that there are unresolved conflicts/issues that are bothering you from pursuing to be friar, which has a purpose and reason in and of itself that God intends to gradually reveal to you in His time patiently. None of us here on this website know what that is exactly, but we can only hope & pray that you experience a greater depth to His plan for your life, to the point of having to question no more. In the meantime, simplify your life by integrating Jesus into everything you’re going thru by praying before, during, & after everything that happens b/c He is the only one that remains- He knows & loves us more than we truly know & love ourselves- trust Him. Aim to put Him at the center of your life- go to Him for everything, pray the Rosary & ask for Our Lady’s intercession to help guide you closer to Her Son~ you won’t regret it. No matter what happens, “everything’s going to be okay” (Our Lady of the Miraculous Medal, Nov 2014). “Jesus, I trust in You” (Divine Mercy). I will pray for you, dear brother-in-Christ.
 
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