Considering conversion to Eastern Catholicism

[Vico]

Vico:

The jurisdiction was Latin so the others would be suffragan.

The jurisdiction was Latin until Greek-Cathoic ordinaries - not suffragan to any Latin bishop - were appointed.
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The session you quoted was 1852.

Yes the provisions were still in place.

 

[dvdjs]

Yes the provisions were still in place.

And not made, as suggested, over concerns about Greek Catholics, who came much later - as I already have pointed out,

 

[Vico]

Vico:

Yes the provisions were still in place.

And not made, as suggested, over concerns about Greek Catholics, who came much later - as I already have pointed out,

Of course, as mentioned, it took some time for the Holy See to make adjustments.

 

[dochawk]

Also from the See of Antioch is the Maronite Catholic Church and the Syrian Catholic Church. The Melkites are really in the See of Constantinople now (Byzantine), although originally from Antioch.

No, that’s not quite right.

The Melkites adopted byzantine liturgy forever ago, but hat has nothing to do with that see.

The church of the ancient patriarchal see of Antioch cane to be called “Melkite”, or “royal”, over time, and it’s still there. The Maronites were part of this patriarchy (but had not adopted byzantine liturgy).

When the mohammadans overran much of the world, the Maronites we physically separated from the rest of Christiandom until the crusaders made contact with them (and they had a rather brutal time during that separation, resorting to building churches in caves where horses couldn’t reach, as they would be destroyed otherwise).

set on their own like this, this fragment of the church elected a patriarch that kept the name.

There are currently five patriarchs of Antioch . . . a Melkite priest showed me a group picture where they posed together!

The historical see is the one occupied by the Melkite patriarch.

hawk

 

[dochawk]

The Chornock schism, IIRC, involved ~ 40 parishes and their clergy.

roughly half, as I recall.

 

[Vico]

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Thank you for correcting this.

 

[dochawk]

Glad to help.

Hmm, how many years before I start forgetting all this data that I naturally remember? (I can still spout phone numbers from friends from primary school . . .) . . . and when it does happen, what will that to do to my mental health? It would certainly be disorienting . . .

So if I share as much knowledge as I can while I have it, hopefully someone will provide some back when I start losing it . . .

hawk, clinging to near-photographic memory . . .

 

[malphono]

I really don’t want to jump into this thread, but I will offer the following:

… The church of the ancient patriarchal see of Antioch cane to be called “Melkite”, or “royal”, over time …

… There are currently five patriarchs of Antioch . . .
The historical see is the one occupied by the Melkite patriarch.

hawk

This occurred only in the wake of Chalcedon, and that sets the stage for what follows.

The five Patriarchs include The Syriac Orthodox, the Maronite, the Syriac Catholic, The Melkite, and the Antiochene Orthodox. Although some may argue that the succession passed to the Syriac Catholic, the general consensus is that the historical see is that of the Syriac Orthodox.

 

[Masihi]

I believe it historically passes to the Greek Church, as Antioch has always been controlled by Chalcedonian Christians.

 

[Masihi]

Melkites like Maronites previously had a Syriac liturgy.

 

[UltimateChikorita]

do it
please

 

[eagerbeaver]

Masihi - a question for you.

Have you ever yet attended Divine Liturgy in either an Orthodox Church or an Eastern Catholic Church ?

You appear to be getting a lot of theoretical knowledge - BUT you do need to actually experience the Liturgy

 

[Masihi]

I Unfortunately I can’t attend any liturgy for a few more years of my life until I’m in a position where I can officially convert. As of now I can’t convert, I have Islam branded as my official religion by the government and there are no Churches here.