Considering "The Problem of Evil"

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I have a question for you. Can a person do good without free will?
I don’t know. Feel free to assume my answer, and make your point, though.

Can God have free will (or be free) without ever choosing evil given an infinite number of choices? If yes, then free will, by itself, does not explain the existence of evil in the world.
 
As finite humans, we could never comprehend that evil exists except through the Light of Divine Revelation.
I would think that the first mother who witnessed her child eaten by a mountain lion (or killed in an earthquake) perceived some evil, even without the Light of Divine Revelation.
 
I would think that the first mother who witnessed her child eaten by a mountain lion (or killed in an earthquake) perceived some evil, even without the Light of Divine Revelation.
Sorry, I meant “truth” cannot be comprehended “fully” without Divine Revelation. As human we tend to think of the “good” as what is applicable to ourselves and our desires. However, we can come to some idea of absolute truth using reason alone by knowing good and evil, truth and fallacy, life and death.

The non-believer says that if an all-powerful, almighty God exists, He would prevent the suffering we see all around us. But suffering persists. Therefore, God doesn’t exist. However, the premise is wrong. It is part of God’s infinite goodness that He brings out of suffering a greater good.

The non-believer’s argument is circular assuming the very thing he’s attempting to prove. He says there is no God because of all this suffering that couldn’t be outweighed by a good. He thinks, how do I know there’s no greater good? Because there is no God.

Our lives are but a wisp of a breeze compared to the Beatific Vision we’ll encounter in heaven that lasts for an eternity. The path to Life is narrow. Few attempt to find it and follow it.

“Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the road broad thatleads to destruction, and those who enter through it are many.
How narrowthe gate and constricted the road that leads to life. And those who find it are few.”
(Matt. 7:6, 12-14)
 
Can God have free will (or be free) without ever choosing evil given an infinite number of choices? If yes, then free will, by itself, does not explain the existence of evil in the world.
You are right! Evil exists because of ignorance. If we could see everything as God sees it we would never choose evil because we would know it is not in our own interest. But our ignorance is not a mitigating factor because we know it is wrong to harm others.
 
You are right! Evil exists because of ignorance. If we could see everything as God sees it we would never choose evil because we would know it is not in our own interest. But our ignorance is not a mitigating factor because we know it is wrong to harm others.
Evil exists because of the temptations from “the world, the flesh, and the devil.” But it is Satan, himself, who is the source of evil in the world as Genesis implies. True, that our ignorance is not " mitigating factor" but it is not ignorance, itself, that causes us to choose evil, but a desire to be like God, IOW, to say “no” to the God who created us and “yes” to our desires. Adam and Eve ate from the “tree of the knowledge of good and evil.”
 
Evil exists because of the temptations from “the world, the flesh, and the devil.” But it is Satan, himself, who is the source of evil in the world as Genesis implies. True, that our ignorance is not " mitigating factor" but it is not ignorance, itself, that causes us to choose evil, but a desire to be like God, IOW, to say “no” to the God who created us and “yes” to our desires. Adam and Eve ate from the “tree of the knowledge of good and evil.”
I agree with the source of temptations but when people sin many (or even most) of them are not making a conscious decision to reject God. If they don’t believe in Him they don’t desire to be like Him! 🙂
 
I agree with the source of temptations but when people sin many (or even most) of them are not making a conscious decision to reject God. If they don’t believe in Him they don’t desire to be like Him! 🙂
True that it’s usually not a conscious decision to reject God. However, people choose evil (thought, word & deed) directly through their own free will (assuming full knowledge of the action) or indirectly because of a misinformed or malformed conscience. The question is how responsible or culpable are they? And how would God judge them if they died in their sin? Those are rhetorical questions because we don’t really know how God will judge according to His Justice and His Mercy. But I would think that God gives us every possible chance to choose to do good and to find Him in our lives.
 
You are right! Evil exists because of ignorance. If we could see everything as God sees it we would never choose evil because we would know it is not in our own interest. But our ignorance is not a mitigating factor because we know it is wrong to harm others.
Whether or not our ignorance is a mitigating factor for our guilt (I think it must be, but we can argue that separately), by your statement, ignorance is the reason for evil, not free will.

So, in view of the Problem of Evil, I guess the question is this: “Why does God give us ignorance?”
 
If God didn’t want people to sin, he would’ve created people who don’t have instinctual impulses to ‘sin’. Also, he wouldn’t have created murderers who were BORN with mental disorders. 🙂
If there even is a higher power, I doubt it even has a personality, let alone a loving and caring one.
 
You are right! Evil exists because of ignorance. If we could see everything as God sees it we would never choose evil because we would know it is not in our own interest. But our ignorance is not a mitigating factor because we know it is wrong to harm others.
Ignorance is not given but permitted. When we are born we know nothing and have to learn by ourselves - with the help of our parents. There is a limit to what we can learn and know in this world because our intelligence is finite!
 
Ignorance is not the REASON for evil. It is our disordered desires or appetities, our base nature that is warring against the spirit that is the reason for evil. With our free will we consciously make good and bad choices.

Ignorance is the product of our fallen nature. We are naturally selfish. I agree that ignorance is often the cause of bad choices in our lives since we tend to choose what we think is for our good, although we are not always aware of what is good for us. However, ignorance can’t be the cause of actual evil. I doubt Hitler, Stalin, Napoleon and company made their choices due to ignorance.
 
Ignorance is not given but permitted. When we are born we know nothing and have to learn by ourselves - with the help of our parents. There is a limit to what we can learn and know in this world because our intelligence is finite!
O.k., so “ignorance is bliss” as they say. 🙂
 
I’ve always thought the “problem” of evil was something of a misperception because it only takes into account what we see in this world.

God provides perfect and infinite justice. Someone may suffer, but you can’t really evaluate his or her suffering objectively because you only see this life. Perhaps if we add Heaven to the scale, the equation changes significantly…
 
I’ve always thought the “problem” of evil was something of a misperception because it only takes into account what we see in this world.

God provides perfect and infinite justice. Someone may suffer, but you can’t really evaluate his or her suffering objectively because you only see this life. Perhaps if we add Heaven to the scale, the equation changes significantly…
We know that evil exists in this world. But it’s true that we can’t evaluate it objectively, from God’s perspective, or understand someone else’s suffering subjectively from that person’s perspective. But God’s presence invades the whole world and each of us individually. We are His children. He makes good from evil and doesn’t give us more than we can handle with His grace.

"My thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts." (Isaiah 55:8-9)
 
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