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MDK said:
Catholics approach the Bible with more respect, in that we know not to misinterpret. Being intimidated is not a surprise, but there are guides. We should always read the CCC, which is the greatest companion to the Bible ever written.

The Protestants approach the Bible with arrogance, treating it as easy to understand, and as long as they can point back to something written in Scriptures which they can assign a meaning to… they believe they’re covered. No wonder they have zeal, as they’re creating their own religion. So, it’s a false zeal.
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I’d be careful trying to lump all Protestants together. You’ve got to admit that at least one or two of them is sincere in their zeal for the Lord and His Word, the Bible.

This kind of pigeon-holing people because of their denomination is what leads to false assumptions. For instance, some Protestants are equally guilty of assuming I worship Mary since I’m Catholic.
MDK said:
The true zeal comes in knowing Christ as He really is… no brothers and sisters by his mother, His mother as Queen of Heaven, knowing Christ’s doctrines which do not include salvation by faith alone, once saved always saved, or Bible alone as rule of faith. Unlike the Protestant arrogance, we must approach both God and His teachings with appropriate reverence and respect. We also have great zeal for Christ due to His seven Sacraments including the incomparable gift of Himself in the Most Holy Eucharist. God gave us an infallible teaching Church, so what is there to be intimidated about? It’s ignorance of this that keeps people from knowing truth.
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But knowing the truth and loving Christ are not the same thing. The more you know Christ, the more you are able to love Christ, but the two aren’t always in-sync.
MDK said:
Honestly, if I were doing this on my own, I would be intimidated. Fortunately, God gave us the Church and has protected her from ever teaching error in faith and morals. This is a great comfort as I read Scriptures, knowing what the Church teaches on how to interpret them. We must have respect for Scriptures, and rely on the official Church teachings to know what they mean. Nothing intimidating about that, but greatly comforting.
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Yes, thank God for giving us the Church - my signature tells you my thoughts on that.

I just don’t think that Catholics own a monopoly on loving Christ with all our hearts and souls. I continue to admire the love and self-giving that some of my Protestant friends have for the Lord!
 
NotWorthy said:
I’d be careful trying to lump all Protestants together. You’ve got to admit that at least one or two of them is sincere in their zeal for the Lord and His Word, the Bible.

This kind of pigeon-holing people because of their denomination is what leads to false assumptions. For instance, some Protestants are equally guilty of assuming I worship Mary since I’m Catholic.
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Why do you want to assign legalistic terms finding ways to misrepresent something otherwise easily understandable in the context in which it was written? I write these relying others’ ability and willingness to understand what was written, knowing that they can find a way to twist it to something it wasn’t intended if they desire.

It was not intended to mean literally “every single Protestant,” and neither did I write the wording “every single Protestant.” Why? Because I understand it’s “not every single Protestant.” I ask you to please understand this in proper context, as it is written. I write these with the presumption that there will be a certain amount of will to understand what it really means.
NotWorthy said:
But knowing the truth and loving Christ are not the same thing. The more you know Christ, the more you are able to love Christ, but the two aren’t always in-sync.
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Once again, it was written hoping that others would be willing to understand what it means. Why do you combine something that was not intended in order to argue against it? It was meant as opportunity, not a mathematical correlation.
NotWorthy said:
Yes, thank God for giving us the Church - my signature tells you my thoughts on that.

I just don’t think that Catholics own a monopoly on loving Christ with all our hearts and souls. I continue to admire the love and self-giving that some of my Protestant friends have for the Lord!
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Who in the world claimed that Catholics had a monopoly?

Please try to understand what is written, rather than finding some way in which it can be twisted to argue against. In your replies, you didn’t argue against me, because you didn’t represent what I wrote… but you argued against your own created statements. I welcome your replies, but if you’re going to reply to me, please reply to what I wrote and not simply something you imagined.
 
MDK said:
Why do you want to assign legalistic terms finding ways to misrepresent something otherwise easily understandable in the context in which it was written? I write these relying others’ ability and willingness to understand what was written, knowing that they can find a way to twist it to something it wasn’t intended if they desire.

It was not intended to mean literally “every single Protestant,” and neither did I write the wording “every single Protestant.” Why? Because I understand it’s “not every single Protestant.” I ask you to please understand this in proper context, as it is written. I write these with the presumption that there will be a certain amount of will to understand what it really means.
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Then, in that case, I apologize. But I don’t think it’s a stretch to take these words:
MDK said:
Catholics approach the Bible with more respect, in that we know not to misinterpret…

The Protestants approach the Bible with arrogance, treating it as easy to understand…
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Sounds like you are lumping them all together. If you’d said, “Many Protestants approach…”, then I wouldn’t have had a problem.
MDK said:
Once again, it was written hoping that others would be willing to understand what it means. Why do you combine something that was not intended in order to argue against it? It was meant as opportunity, not a mathematical correlation.
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My friend. I’m just hoping that this was not what you were implying. If I’m mistaken, then I’m terribly sorry.
MDK said:
Who in the world claimed that Catholics had a monopoly?

Please try to understand what is written, rather than finding some way in which it can be twisted to argue against. In your replies, you didn’t argue against me, because you didn’t represent what I wrote… but you argued against your own created statements. I welcome your replies, but if you’re going to reply to me, please reply to what I wrote and not simply something you imagined.
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Sigh. If all of this was simply my imagination, then I’m terribly sorry.
 
NotWorthy said:
Then, in that case, I apologize. But I don’t think it’s a stretch to take these words:

Sounds like you are lumping them all together. If you’d said, “Many Protestants approach…”, then I wouldn’t have had a problem.

My friend. I’m just hoping that this was not what you were implying. If I’m mistaken, then I’m terribly sorry.

Sigh. If all of this was simply my imagination, then I’m terribly sorry.
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No, it’s not a stretch… it’s a misinterpretation based on your own mindset.

Context is important. Why do you assume ignorance on the part of the author? There was no context in which “all Protestants” was ever assumed. I post with the expectation of a reasonable interpretation, not taking it automatically to mean something it doesn’t say.

Why accuse the worst, when there is absolutely no evidence to support that other than your imagination or fear?

I appreciate that you apologize, but I wasn’t looking for that. I’m looking for some reasonableness and willingness to take things properly going forward.
 
MDK said:
No, it’s not a stretch… it’s a misinterpretation based on your own mindset.

Context is important. Why do you assume ignorance on the part of the author? There was no context in which “all Protestants” was ever assumed. I post with the expectation of a reasonable interpretation, not taking it automatically to mean something it doesn’t say.

Why accuse the worst, when there is absolutely no evidence to support that other than your imagination or fear?

I appreciate that you apologize, but I wasn’t looking for that. I’m looking for some reasonableness and willingness to take things properly going forward.
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Wow. Usually a simple apology will help us move on.

I’m sorry for my ignorance, my jumping to conclusions, and accusing the worst with no evidence to suuport other than my own imagination and/or fear.

I will try to be more reasonable and willing to take things properly so we can move forward.
 
NotWorthy said:
Wow. Usually a simple apology will help us move on.

I’m sorry for my ignorance, my jumping to conclusions, and accusing the worst with no evidence to suuport other than my own imagination and/or fear.

I will try to be more reasonable and willing to take things properly so we can move forward.
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Simple apologies are nice, even though it was not sought. However, statements of apology as before which were mixed with blaming someone else and really aren’t simple. We Catholics are concerned with context, and interpreting things in the proper way, whether Scripture or another’s post.
 
MDK said:
Simple apologies are nice, even though it was not sought. However, statements of apology as before which were mixed with blaming someone else and really aren’t simple. We Catholics are concerned with context, and interpreting things in the proper way, whether Scripture or another’s post.
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Um, there’s a thread going on. Please refer anymore statements regarding my mis-concerns with context, proper interpretation, whether of Scripture or general posting in a PM to me.

The horse is dead.
 
NotWorthy said:
Um, there’s a thread going on. Please refer anymore statements regarding my mis-concerns with context, proper interpretation, whether of Scripture or general posting in a PM to me.

The horse is dead.
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Glad you got the message. As long as you do what you need to publicly, there would never be a reason to discuss.
 
NotWorthy said:
But we Catholics need to have some of the zeal for the Bible that our Protestants brothers and sisters do - not the tendency for private mis-interpretation, but definitely the love for reading the Scriptures.

I know numerous Catholics that are simply too intimidated by the Scriptures to learn more about them.
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I was referring to the quote about Catholics being 10 years behind our separated brethren. I don’t see that, because they’re typically excited about creating God in their own image, not so much about learning the truth of God. The Catholic Church is not behind the Protestants, because the Protestants don’t teach the truth. All of them teach error to some degree or another.

We indeed need to be passionate about God’s Word. We should also be passionate about praying for the Pope and Bishops and Priests. We should be passionate about the sacraments, especially the Eucharist. Seeing that they have no valid priesthood and therefore no valid Eucharist, how far does that put the Protestants behind?
 
MDK said:
I was referring to the quote about Catholics being 10 years behind our separated brethren. I don’t see that, because they’re typically excited about creating God in their own image, not so much about learning the truth of God. The Catholic Church is not behind the Protestants, because the Protestants don’t teach the truth. All of them teach error to some degree or another.

We indeed need to be passionate about God’s Word. We should also be passionate about praying for the Pope and Bishops and Priests. We should be passionate about the sacraments, especially the Eucharist. Seeing that they have no valid priesthood and therefore no valid Eucharist, how far does that put the Protestants behind?
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Your points on how far behind are the Protestants are irrelevant to this thread. This isn’t a debate thread.

My point on wishing that more Catholics had a zeal for learning the Bible is only meant to remind Catholics that we can learn more about Christ and its not as daunting as we think. As the many posts on this thread have so well pointed out, there are many electronic tools on the internet that can help Catholics to learn more about their faith and the Bible. This is important when discussing with our separated brethren why the Catholic Church is the Church that Christ built.

If you wish to continue on this topic (who’s behind who), please start a new thread.
 
NotWorthy said:
That’s fantastic!!! Catholic Bible, in MP3 format!!! What will they think of next??? Of course, that places us only about 10 years behind our Protestant brethren, eh? ;)…
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NotWorthy said:
Your points on how far behind are the Protestants are irrelevant to this thread. This isn’t a debate thread.

My point on wishing that more Catholics had a zeal for learning the Bible is only meant to remind Catholics that we can learn more about Christ and its not as daunting as we think. As the many posts on this thread have so well pointed out, there are many electronic tools on the internet that can help Catholics to learn more about their faith and the Bible. This is important when discussing with our separated brethren why the Catholic Church is the Church that Christ built.

If you wish to continue on this topic (who’s behind who), please start a new thread.
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Hello, your original post was very easily understood. BTW, it was your post in which you discussed that our study of the Scriptures places us (Catholics) about 10 years behind our Protestant brethren. In this post, time was an element, as was being behind them. So, I find it odd that you would now say “how far behind are the Protestants are irrelevant to this thread.” Is this literary self criticism?

Yet, when you understand what I wrote, you would know that time was not the real issue. Understanding what my posts said would lead one to consider the truth of God, rather than simply zeal for what is not truth. When one leaves the truth and goes their own way, it cannot really be compared with having the truth. So, the essence of my posts while using time in them, were actually were taking time out of the crux of the matter, and reminding that the focus should be on truth which is more important than format of the media or years. It also reminded that we have the living truth in our Church, via protection of the Holy Spirit. So, please understand that my comment was really regarding truth, and not time. It wasn’t intended to begin a debate, but was meant as a discussion of truth, to keep a larger truth before us.

You had a good point in that many Catholics don’t read Scriptures and study them. Sadly, this is all too true. We need Catholics studying Catholicism, including the Scriptures written by Catholics, for Catholics in the context of Catholicism.

You do a lot of good posting, so let’s please seek to understand and keep things charitable, which must always be at the service of the truth.
 
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