Construction on Border Wall Begins

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There are well to do in most countries, does that make it the norm?

You seem to be incredibly defensive. Are you up with how Australia treats its illegals?

Trump said you guys should take a leaf out of our book. What do you think he meant by that?

Beer and pizza by the pool?

Virtue signalling on the roll your sleeves up! Where’s our virtue signalling game!

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Roseeurekacross said:
There are well to do in most countries, does that make it the norm?

You seem to be incredibly defensive. Are you up with how Australia treats its illegals?

Trump said you guys should take a leaf out of our book. What do you think he meant by that?

Beer and pizza by the pool?

Virtue signalling on the roll your sleeves up! Where’s our virtue signalling game!
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I’m defensive in that I think many make an emotional but illogical appeal for the illegal immigrants. You seemed to sidestep my comments on subsidiarity, an important part of Catholic doctrine. I’m thus more concerned about the people living in violence in Chicago than in Mexico. We need to focus first on our own countries problems and encourage Mexico to be responsible towards their own people.

I’m aware that Australia doesn’t tolerate any illegal immigration. If they catch you off the coast, you are shipped to a nearby island for processing. If they catch you on land, you are deported with no chance of legally immigrating in the future. I respect their hard-line approach.
 
No, I ignored your comment about subsidarity. I did not side step it. But if you wish to discuss it, first can you explain it, in your own words.

Yes the violence in Chicago and in DC is a great big issue. DC is one of the go to places, as is Chicago, for medical teams to learn how to treat gun wounds before shipping out to real war zones.

Yes we Australians are a shining example of how to treat illegals, and how to treat those who came in through the front door.
 
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Our Govt is not turning it’s back on people by sending them back to their home country. Mexico may not be as rich as the USA but they are hardly in crisis, they have more than ample food and resources to care for their people.
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Mexico has, I believe, the 13th highest GDP/capita in the world. Or it did the last I looked. It has higher average wages than any eastern European country. And yet, there’s no liberal hue and cry to admit, say, Poles into the U.S. without limitation, or Hungarians or the worst off of all, Romanians.

I might add that taxes on the wealthy in Mexico are lower than in the U.S. By shipping off their young people, the Mexican oligarchs are avoiding the social change such people might demand.
 
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No, I ignored your comment about subsidarity. I did not side step it. But if you wish to discuss it, first can you explain it, in your own words.

Yes the violence in Chicago and in DC is a great big issue. DC is one of the go to places, as is Chicago, for medical teams to learn how to treat gun wounds before shipping out to real war zones.

Yes we Australians are a shining example of how to treat illegals, and how to treat those who came in through the front door.
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Just a quibble: not sure Washigton DC (my hometown!) is as violent as it was in the 1990’s. The ‘bad’ areas are gentrifying and many younger people have moved to the district and started families. I think nearby Baltimore would be a better candidate for super high crime levels as it’s not faring too well. 😧
 
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No, I ignored your comment about subsidarity. I did not side step it. But if you wish to discuss it, first can you explain it, in your own words.
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If you are not going to respond to my comments, then just don’t respond to my posts. It’s basic etiquette.

I’ll assume you didn’t respond because you didn’t have an argument.
 
I’m not sure I see where subsidiarity fits in here. This, from Wiki, is my understanding of the concept:
Subsidiarity is an organizing principle that matters ought to be handled by the smallest, lowest or least centralized competent authority. Political decisions should be taken at a local level if possible, rather than by a central authority.[
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Note the “if possible”. Sometimes you must go up another rung in the ladder to get things done. Some things are best done by municipalities and some things are better done on a global level. It certainly doesn’t indicate that everything must be done at the local level.

How does this fit into the Wall?
 
The Mexican elite doesn’t invest in their working class; they’d rather send them to the US, then they avoid having to do the hard work keeping them placated. Then they get rich when those workers bring their money home. How do you think Carlo Slim got to be one of the richest men in the world?

It’s interesting that the Mexicans have strict enforcement of their southern borders against the Central Americans but rail against us when we consider more strict enforcement against them. How two-faced is that?
 
There was a reality television program that filmed people crossing the Mexican border into the USA. They interviewed the “crossees”.

It was only on for a short time.

I know that reality TV sometimes has not much to do with reality, but some of the shows documented people being detected smuggling heroin, cocaine, meth, and marijuana into the U.S.

There were also trailer trucks with many many people inside as part of human trafficking operations.
 
California does not have upscale neighbors and needs the wall!

No not along the southern border, those neighbors are fine…its a wall along the eastern boarder that should have been built decades ago!
 
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