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On Thursday morning, I am going to approach my main coordinator (Let’s call him Alex) in charge of a ministry that visits the sick and elderly in about 5 hospitals and care centers.

NOTE: WILL BE IN DETAIL, SO IT WILL BE LONG.

I am in a prayer group part of the Catholic Charismatic Renewal. A year ago, we had a retreat. At these retreats, we have many people live them. Couples, single parents, wives (because according to the father, those are female things), husbands (because according to the wife, it isn’t their time or for them), and young adults. This certain married couple lived this retreat. After the retreat was over, the husband, in front of everyone gave his testimony about his marriage before the retreat. He, along with his wife, made the decision to be better for one another. One of our servers (let’s call her Norma) of our prayer group, began to have a close relationship with (let’s call him George). Then began rumors of them going out. Then with more time passing, rumors began of them living together. (And this is with them still attending the prayer group.) My mother, found herself with George’s wife. And she told him about him leaving her for someone else and how her kids would tell her that he would take them to his new apartment with Norma being there and sleeping over. My mother told my coordinator and sub-coordinator of my prayer group about this after my mom had imprudently (she said this herself) asked Norma if she was with George. To which Norma replied, “I am not living with him or sleeping with him! I don’t know where these rumors are coming from!” My mom just stayed quiet and said to herself, and I never asked you for that information.They took her as being gossipy and to stop listening to rumors. Then my mother, along with witnesses, went to the deaneries which are the leaders of the prayer groups coordinators. They took it seriously and brought them all together. George, who had been attending the growth classes and prayer group on Monday nights, was not portraying a life of testimony and conversion. I think that’s how you say it. >.< In the meeting he and Norma began to call my mom a gossiper and a liar. That she had been the one who started the rumors. One of the deans stood up and shut them up and told them that if they continued to portray that kind of behavior that they were going to have to leave. The witnesses began to say that the wife had also spoke to them and how they had seen them together also. The deans made the decision that for half a year, Norma and George would remain seated and not be able to serve. And after six months, they would then have another meeting and see if things have progressed with them or not, spiritually and maturely. And my mother also had to sit but for only three months. Due to it “being fair” for Norma and George. Through this process, before them being sat down in the prayer group. They began attending the ministry of visiting the sick and elderly. For some time, it had come to the surface that Norma was not with George anymore. But after 3 months, he began attending again. As of last month, she is the sub-coordinator of the ministry in one hospital. George is the coordinator of events.

The reason I want to speak with Alex is this:
Does he know about George being married?
Does he know that George left his wife to be with Norma?
Is it right for them to be there openly? Especially in charge of something?

Some people had left because of George and Norma. (Not portraying good leadership, both maturely and spiritually, often times making immature jokes and speaking bad words and I know this also because whenever my parents are around, they do not say hello or even turn to them. Even to some of the people of the prayer group. That portrays unforgiveness. In which one time George preached about it about how were supposed to be right with our brothers and sisters in Christ and forgive them… O_O WHAT???)

Is it right for them to be able to preach?
Is it fair for them to be leaders of something when there have been others who have been going for years and are not leaders now?

I need help in how to approach Alex with this. I am trying to grow in being a mature leader and being able to approach people without giving them wrong hints. THANK YOU!

:blessyou:
 
my advice would be for members of the prayer group to cease gossiping about other members with each other and on internet forums, especially by name
 
I’m not quite sure what you meant by George was “attending” again. Does that mean he currently is going out with Norma, or is that over?

If it’s over, my first inclination is not to say anything at all, unless you are in a position of authority where part of your job description is to monitor these things.

I say this because if it was obvious George was a sinner, then you wouldn’t need to say anything to Alex at all, because Alex would notice. If nobody notices, then his sin is not public.

All preachers are sinners; some more so than others.

If you didn’t know about George and Norma, would you have any problem with the way they conduct their leadership? Do they owe the hospital the details about their private life? Do they get paid?

Please help me understand better what your position is in relationship to Alex and George, and what your responsibilities toward each of them are. In general, unless you are absolutely required by duty or somebody is in the process of getting hurt, I find it very troublesome to disclose private information about other people to authority figures.

Alan

P.S. My 20-year long career was ended by a woman who thought she was doing me a favor by providing incomplete and incorrect information she thought she knew about me.
 
my advice would be for members of the prayer group to cease gossiping about other members with each other and on internet forums, especially by name
Sometimes I think we teach our kids in school that others’ behavior is our responsibility.

For example, when they punish a whole class for one kid’s action, so that peer pressure may enhance enforcement.

Such as when a teacher offers a reward in points, candy, pop, or whatever, to a kid who snitches on another.

Then people grow up and it’s just more of the same thing in different forms.

I’ve seen these things happen. IMO this is the type of training we give our kids, and it leads to questions like the OP’s.

Alan
 
my advice would be for members of the prayer group to cease gossiping about other members with each other and on internet forums, especially by name
It sounds like all names have been changed to protect the privacy of the individuals. Although, I agree.

If YOU feel the need to speak with “Alex”, do so. But realize that it might not have the impact you desire and may backfire on you if you begin to be seen as a gossipy, tattle-tale kind of person. Have you spoken with “Norma” and “George” about this yet? They may want to know that they are bringing scandal to their congregation again.

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I apologize puzzleannie if I made you believe I was being gossipy. And the reasons these rumors come up is because people see and I agree that it is wrong that that one person sees and tells others. But like I said even George’s wife spoke of him being with Norma.

George is once again with Norma. I meant attending again the hospital ministry after having broken up with Norma. They haven’t attended the prayer group since they were sat down.

I am part of the leadership in the ministry of this hospital. That is why I am asking for help. My parents suggest that I bring two other people who are witnesses and part of the leadership in the ministry. But these two other people have put it on me to speak with Alex. Due to me being more straight out with situations that involve others. No I have not spoken to Norma and George about this.

Your responses makes me think twice about this situation. More prayer has to be done. It’s better that way.

Anymore doubts or confused thoughts please reply.
 
I apologize puzzleannie if I made you believe I was being gossipy. And the reasons these rumors come up is because people see and I agree that it is wrong that that one person sees and tells others. But like I said even George’s wife spoke of him being with Norma.

George is once again with Norma. I meant attending again the hospital ministry after having broken up with Norma. They haven’t attended the prayer group since they were sat down.

I am part of the leadership in the ministry of this hospital. That is why I am asking for help. My parents suggest that I bring two other people who are witnesses and part of the leadership in the ministry. But these two other people have put it on me to speak with Alex. Due to me being more straight out with situations that involve others. No I have not spoken to Norma and George about this.

Your responses makes me think twice about this situation. More prayer has to be done. It’s better that way.

Anymore doubts or confused thoughts please reply.
Is there a priest who oversees the workings of this apostolic activity? If there is, he is the one you should speak with and he is the one who should deal with the situation if he deems it warranted. If there isn’t a priest who has authority over this activity, there should be and you should contact your bishop about the need for priestly oversite.
 
I still say it sounds like a soap opera.

Why would you even have a question, if there is wrong doing on the part of leadership of a Catholic apostolate to which you belong, in approaching the priest in charge in the first instance of your having definite knowledge of the wrong-doing? I am puzzled as to why you are even asking what you should do, and even more puzzled at why you are discussing this with uninvolved third parties, but not the pastor or the priest who is the chaplain of your group.
 
On Thursday morning, I am going to approach my main coordinator (Let’s call him Alex) in charge of a ministry that visits the sick and elderly in about 5 hospitals and care centers.

NOTE: WILL BE IN DETAIL, SO IT WILL BE LONG.

I am in a prayer group part of the Catholic Charismatic Renewal. A year ago, we had a retreat. At these retreats, we have many people live them. Couples, single parents, wives (because according to the father, those are female things), husbands (because according to the wife, it isn’t their time or for them), and young adults. This certain married couple lived this retreat… .
My goodness, these few sentences were very confusing until I deduced you meant ‘leave’ not ‘live’ and ‘left’ not ‘lived’ !!!
 
I have made the choice to speak with my spiritual director about it. I will speak with him later on this week. I was just looking for some help. But I feel I have made it seem like I am gossiping. I sincerely apologize. Next time I will be more prudent.

…God Bless…
 
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