Contemplating Islam

[Booklover]

To know Islam one must know Muhammed. Muhammed=Islam. And unfortunately Muhammed was not a very moral guy AFTER he invented Islam. And he would justify his immoral behavior by his god that he invented. It was like he was giving all his followers an out for their atrocious behavior by saying ‘god made me do it’.

And sin is according to what Muhammed defined it as being. And because he hated Jews, and anyone who disagreed with him, he didn’t include doing atrocious things to unbelievers as being sinful and instead wrapped holiness and salvation around them.

I think that Muslims have been duped. It is the biggest scam this world has ever seen.

Yep! It’s the biggest scam ever!

Vickie

 

[staffsgt7]

Afghan women - over 90% abused per the UN

Qur’an 4:34: “Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them.”

In Islam there is no racism, we only hate kufar And basically kufar is anyone who doesn’t accept Islam, or dies, or wants to be subjugated to it. As with their dualistic religion, the definition is loosely defined so we are told many different things about who fits into the definitiion of kufar.

 

[elwill]

This is so misleading. Women can be ‘honor killed’ because in sharia laws there is no protection for her. She can be beaten because the koran sanctions it. She can be divorced easily by the man just saying ‘I divorce you’ three times. She cannot do anything without the consent of her husband and that means she has to get permission for any minute thing. There is no such thing as ‘safe houses’ under Islam because she is property of the men of her household - even her son(s).

If a man rapes her, or she looks at a man wrong (basically if she has an overly jealous husband, she can be killed. In the case of a rape, she has to have 4 witnesses to it or she is treated as if she is the perpetrator of the crime.

If she is a child she can be married off and is to be sexually abused at an early age. Basically pediphilia is sanctioned because Muhammed did it.

Nonie Darwish tries to tell people in her book, Now They Call Me Infidel, about the harm of polygamy. The jealousy between wives, the effects of it on the children including the sons. And too often we are seeing in our countries that they are nothing but welfare moms because the man cannot possibly support all their wives. We saw that example a couple of years ago when in NYC a house burned down with a lot of women and children in it. It was a polygamous situation. Unlawful here in the states, but some don’t care and do it anyway.

This is part of what they call dualism in Islam. The koran has both of these definitions of Jihad in it - the violence against the unbeliever being sanctioned as holy, and also it being defined as an ‘inner struggle’. Muslims use whichever definition suits their needs in this dualistic religion.

And here are some things about Jihad you won’t hear when they are trying to ‘hook you’: jihad is taught as violent 97% of the time in islamic textss, while that ‘inner struggle’ is only 3% of jihad.

Islam is strange because not only what I stated above, but some things that you won’t hear from Muslims are things like deception being fully sanctioned in Islam.

• The parts of the Koran they tell you that is peaceful were abrogated, or replaced. This being a dualistic religion, like I stated above, they use whatever surah is best at the time. And since there is no order to the Koran it is hard to tell which is which (well, unless they are blatantly violent).
• sharia laws sanction slavery and pediphilia.
• Islam is just as much a religion as it is a political movement, and it exerts control even over you going to the bathroom, and some things you do in bed. (which Muhammed didn’t even obey - he laid down some rules and then promptly broke them) here is a good little writeup on that.
• killing, torturing, stealing from, and deceiving unbelievers is ok under sharia laws which muslims obey as much as they can even in countries that are not totally controlled by them - and they work to making them the laws of the land to replace ours
• all muslims must pay zakat (muslim charity) and that one of its targets are jihadists and their families who kill, torture, etc unbelievers.
• they don’t tell you that lands not under sharia laws are considered the realm of war (dar al harb) and they strive to get sharia laws in place. Since Jihad is neverending, they work towards that end no matter how long it takes.

Here is a book that was just put out that would help anyone understand what they are getting into with Islam. The Complete Infidel’s Guide to the Koran

hi , thank you for your comment
i just wanna to tell you that you can hold your view about my religion and i can hold my view about my religion
i allready read many comments which i disagree about islam , but i find it to be enough to share my view as a muslim , as for i don’t think that this thread about argument , rather it’s about giving advices or openions

most of you people hate islam because you see and know it from the sight of nonmuslims , you never tried to see it from our sight .
every time one muslim try to defend his religion , you accuse him whither to be mislead people or practice “taqiah” or lying on them

any way i just share with what i believe , dosn’t mattar with me if you trust it or not

peace

 

[elwill]

The religion may not be named after Muhammad but it’s all about him all the same. He made himself Allah’s partner and made sure that obeying him was the same as obeying Allah! He redefined sin and whenever he wanted something, he conveniently received a “revelation” from his alter ego Allah!

Islam is not “right” as you call it. Only someone incapable of telling the difference between good and evil would claim that.

Vickie

yes , obeying mohammed (pbuh) the same as obeying allah , i think that this is the mission of prophets , what is your problem ?

 

[Booklover]

hi , thank you for your comment
i just wanna to tell you that you can hold your view about my religion and i can hold my view about my religion
i allready read many comments which i disagree about islam , but i find it to be enough to share my view as a muslim , as for i don’t think that this thread about argument , rather it’s about giving advices or openions

most of you people hate islam because you see and know it from the sight of nonmuslims , you never tried to see it from our sight .
every time one muslim try to defend his religion , you accuse him whither to be mislead people or practice “taqiah” or lying on them

any way i just share with what i believe , dosn’t mattar with me if you trust it or not

peace

Maybe it’s you who cannot see the forest for the trees! Muhammad as described in Islamic scripture is a vile person, but you cannot even see that! To Muslims, Muhammad is the best man that ever lived! The things Muslims speak do not jive even with your own scriptures. You claim Islam is a “religion of peace” and yet the Quran is filled with hatred for others. A day does not pass by that we don’t hear of some new atrocity committed by Muslims. Muhammad redefined sin and made lawful what never was. You can try to justify Islam all you want but we’re not buying it. There is no justification for all the violence and hatred in Islam.

Vickie

 

[Booklover]

yes , obeying mohammed (pbuh) the same as obeying allah , i think that this is the mission of prophets , what is your problem ?

Muhammad was no prophet! If you cannot see that, that is your problem! He’s brought nothing but lies, violence and death in his wake. No man of God would do that.

Vickie

 

[elwill]

Maybe it’s you who cannot see the forest for the trees! Muhammad as described in Islamic scripture is a vile person, but you cannot even see that! To Muslims, Muhammad is the best man that ever lived! The things Muslims speak do not jive even with your own scriptures. You claim Islam is a “religion of peace” and yet the Quran is filled with hatred for others. A day does not pass by that we don’t hear of some new atrocity committed by Muslims. Muhammad redefined sin and made lawful what never was. You can try to justify Islam all you want but we’re not buying it. There is no justification for all the violence and hatred in Islam.

Vickie

i think that the problem in our communication is that you don’t discuss with muslims what they really believe
you just blame islam and muslims for your different understanding for thier religion
you blame islam for somethings muslims themselfs have beliefs that it’s not islamic

 

[elwill]

Muhammad was no prophet! If you cannot see that, that is your problem! He’s brought nothing but lies, violence and death in his wake. No man of God would do that.

Vickie

okey Booklover

 

[jakasaki]

hi , thank you for your comment
i just wanna to tell you that you can hold your view about my religion and i can hold my view about my religion
i allready read many comments which i disagree about islam , but i find it to be enough to share my view as a muslim , as for i don’t think that this thread about argument , rather it’s about giving advices or openions

most of you people hate islam because you see and know it from the sight of nonmuslims , you never tried to see it from our sight .
every time one muslim try to defend his religion , you accuse him whither to be mislead people or practice “taqiah” or lying on them

any way i just share with what i believe , dosn’t mattar with me if you trust it or not

peace

Quote from above: elwill
most of you people hate islam because you see and know it from the sight of nonmuslims , you never tried to see it from our sight

Elwill, “most” of us people hate/dislike islam because we see and know it from the sight of muslims.

 

[Bushmaster78FS]

yes , obeying mohammed (pbuh) the same as obeying allah , i think that this is the mission of prophets , what is your problem ?

Obeying Muhammad can not be the same as obeying Allah. Muhammad is a mere man who had tons of errors, who admitted to his sins. Obeying a sinner is same as obeying the perfect Creator of the Universe?

 

[Bushmaster78FS]

Elwill, “most” of us people hate/dislike islam because we see and know it from the sight of muslims.

So true. How about the apostates of Islam? They didn’t see and know it from the sight of muslims?

 

[jakasaki]

Originally Posted by Booklover
Muhammad was no prophet! If you cannot see that, that is your problem! He’s brought nothing but lies, violence and death in his wake. No man of God would do that.

Vickie

okey Booklover

Elwill, there are 3 major Abrahamic religions.

1. Judaism
2. Christianity
3. Islam

1 - Judaism does **NOT **believe mohamad was a prophet. When the Jews tested his prophetic mission, mohamad failed on all levels.

2 - Christianity does **NOT **believe mohamad was a prophet.

3 - Islam, so where does all of this leave mohamad? 2 out of the 3 major religions reject mohamad as a prophet of God.

As for the OP, contemplating islam, you received quite a few good posts. Research it on all angles and avenues. Cover everything from A to Z and then make a decision.

I personally, would never leave Christianity for islam.

 

[Booklover]

i think that the problem in our communication is that you don’t discuss with muslims what they really believe
you just blame islam and muslims for your different understanding for thier religion
you blame islam for somethings muslims themselfs have beliefs that it’s not islamic

What is there to understand? Muslims state that Muhammad was the best man who ever lived but that is not the way he is described in your own scriptures! You cannot deny that the Quran is filled with verses advocating violence against those who don’t accept Muhammad and Islam.

Vickie

 

[Booklover]

So true. How about the apostates of Islam? They didn’t see and know it from the sight of muslims?

You’d be surprised how many do not count the apostates at all! They make the silly claim that to listen to them would be tantamount to going to sites like answering-christianity to get the truth about Christianity or something like that. They believe you can only have the truth from Muslims. They cannot see that Islam is not like any other religion at all and continue to think of it as legitimate. It’s a no-no for them for anyone to quote articles from anti-Islamic sites like Faithfreedom, Jihadwatch and so on. And yet it’s those sites that actually make sense about what Islam is really about. Those apostates’ eyes were finally opened and they saw Islam for what it really is.

Vickie

 

[elwill]

What is there to understand? Muslims state that Muhammad was the best man who ever lived but that is not the way he is described in your own scriptures! You cannot deny that the Quran is filled with verses advocating violence against those who don’t accept Muhammad and Islam.

Vickie

you know !
if your country be invaded and attacked from other nations , be sure that the muslims in your country will be the first ones who will fight to prevent you and themselfs , and they will do that becuase of the violence in quran which in fact recommending muslims to be brave and to fight for the sake of defense

hence , all of you will hope if there are no christians shouting saying " love you enemy and give them the other cheek"

peace

 

[elwill]

So true. How about the apostates of Islam? They didn’t see and know it from the sight of muslims?

yes , what about them ?

 

[Booklover]

you know !
if your country be invaded and attacked from other nations , be sure that the muslims in your country will be the first ones who will fight to prevent you and themselfs , and they will do that becuase of the violence in quran which in fact recommending muslims to be brave and to fight for the sake of defense

hence , all of you will hope if there are no christians shouting saying " love you enemy and give them the other cheek"

peace

This is one of the most silly posts I’ve seen yet! I wasn’t born yesterday! Muslims would never side with the kafirs against other Muslims!

Vickie

 

[staffsgt7]

hi , thank you for your comment
i just wanna to tell you that you can hold your view about my religion and i can hold my view about my religion
i allready read many comments which i disagree about islam , but i find it to be enough to share my view as a muslim , as for i don’t think that this thread about argument , rather it’s about giving advices or openions

most of you people hate islam because you see and know it from the sight of nonmuslims , you never tried to see it from our sight .
every time one muslim try to defend his religion , you accuse him whither to be mislead people or practice “taqiah” or lying on them

any way i just share with what i believe , dosn’t mattar with me if you trust it or not

peace

Most of ‘us people’ hate Islam because of the contents of its teachings and that the prophet Muhammed was such a despicable character. When its teachings call us apes and pigs to dehumanize people so it can say we are to be killed or subjugated, I think that is enough for me to pass and to make sure others know what it teaches. When all the wars in this world involves Muslims attacking others of any and all religions, and when non-Muslims in Muslim lands are persecuted daily, I would say there is something totally wrong with this religion. And lastly when a religion sanctions deception, that is beyond the pale. But it is to be expected because the truth about Islam would probably mean that it would be banned in most areas where it slithers in under the disguise of ‘peace’.

I talk about the duality of Islam and that is how it slithers in by using those few peaceful suras that no Muslim will voluntarily say were abrogated.

But when you are obviosly trying to do your daawa here on this site, the truth needs to be told about Islam’s teachings, history and prophet.

If the person on this thread wants to get your taqiyya and daawa, then they can go on your propaganda websites. Here they should be able to hear the truth without intimidation, or excuses.

To see Islam from your sight is to see brainwashing. For a people to just be ok with the cruelty to others just because they are not Muslim shows us how this brainwashing works. The worst human rights abuses occur where there are Sharia Laws. Laws based on the Koran, hadith and sira of Muhammed.

 

[Booklover]

Most of ‘us people’ hate Islam because of the contents of its teachings and that the prophet Muhammed was such a despicable character. When its teachings call us apes and pigs to dehumanize people so it can say we are to be killed or subjugated, I think that is enough for me to pass and to make sure others know what it teaches. When all the wars in this world involves Muslims attacking others of any and all religions, and when non-Muslims in Muslim lands are persecuted daily, I would say there is something totally wrong with this religion. And lastly when a religion sanctions deception, that is beyond the pale. But it is to be expected because the truth about Islam would probably mean that it would be banned in most areas where it slithers in under the disguise of ‘peace’.

I talk about the duality of Islam and that is how it slithers in by using those few peaceful suras that no Muslim will voluntarily say were abrogated.

But when you are obviosly trying to do your daawa here on this site, the truth needs to be told about Islam’s teachings, history and prophet.

If the person on this thread wants to get your taqiyya and daawa, then they can go on your propaganda websites. Here they should be able to hear the truth without intimidation, or excuses.

To see Islam from your sight is to see brainwashing. For a people to just be ok with the cruelty to others just because they are not Muslim shows us how this brainwashing works. The worst human rights abuses occur where there are Sharia Laws. Laws based on the Koran, hadith and sira of Muhammed.

Vickie

 

[elwill]

This is one of the most silly posts I’ve seen yet! I wasn’t born yesterday! Muslims would never side with the kafirs against other Muslims!

Vickie

but i didn’t say muslims in my example , i just said another nation

i just wanna to tell you that our religion and our quran is talking about every aspect in our life , it contain instructions in the time of war and it contain instructions in the time of peace
however we have to follow the intstructions of God if the war imposed upon us
but be sure that i agree with you that in the situation of war we will not give our enemy our cheek