Contemplation and Mysticism

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When we have an incorrect view of God, His Nature, and His transcendent link to His Creation, we have also an incorrect view of theology and we also say incorrect things about God, ourselves, and theology. We also see incorrectly the postings of possibly the best CAF member there is, Mr “Junior” (as I like to refer to him) Education. We end up reducing the truths of faith to esoteric statements devoid of any relation to what is real. God is real and transcendent and our statements don’t limit Him, only ourselves.

We receive truth, we contemplate truth, and truths, because we must reason from principles to higher truths by way of our intellect. Contemplation and mysticism are results of God giving us the grace to understand these higher truths that we cannot come to understand with our contingent human nature because we have no natural inclination to these. We are able to receive grace that orients us to higher truths by partaking in God’s Divine Nature. Hell and separation from God comes from rejecting this grace and placing some aspect of His Creation in its place. We must decrease while He must increase and the Church’s rules are here to set us on this path and to keep us there. Even the Franciscans can help us… although I prefer Aquinas!
With regards to your second paragraph…therefore what…? If you are dis-agreeing with something I have said, then lets have it…in detail. You are easy to speak the words mysticism, contemplation, truth…but nothing is said. Nothing.

Making humor out of perspective never goes forward & this has happened . (Thankyou very much)
 
The thread is tainted with sarcasm, avoidance, suggestive humor at anothers expense & perspective… all comprising absolute ill-will.

It is therefore not a Holy Thread, therefore I want nothing to do with it …for now.
I will watch and if there is developement, I will make a comment in 10 days or so …
Thankyou.
 
I just want to post that I received my “Imitation of Christ” and “The Journey of the Mind to Christ” today.

I started reading Imitation of Christ.

What an inspiring book.
It’s a beautiful book. I always suggest that people read it thematically. Go through the table of content and pick what you need today. He has so much in there, it’s incredible. 👍

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
I have been reading on these forums and I have a question. What is the traditional Catholics attitude toward Contemplation and Mysticism? It seems that many modern practices (advocated by various authors to remain unnamed) are immediately dismissed as new age mumbo jumbo and anti-catholic. On the other had I am sure that many traditional Catholics find great comfort in the works of St. John of the Cross and St. Theresa of Avila etc. So where is the fine line? Are the historic mystics ok and anyone claiming to have a contemplative method today considered a whack job?
As someone who would like to expand their spiritual practice and seek greater unity with the indwelling trinity I am having a hard time finding practices that aren’t condemned in one way or another. I have settled on the Jesus Prayer as the method that seems best, although i am sure there is probably something wrong with that too.
Contemplation is not a method, it is a gift from God. You cannot produce it yourself. New age “contemplation” is divorced from dialogue with God. It is really just a self-centered hypnotic method of putting oneself into a trance.
 
Contemplation is not a method, it is a gift from God. You cannot produce it yourself. New age “contemplation” is divorced from dialogue with God. It is really just a self-centered hypnotic method of putting oneself into a trance.
This is true. There are methods on how to achieve contemplation, but contemplation is what you seek, not what you do.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
When we have an incorrect view of God, His Nature, and His transcendent link to His Creation, we have also an incorrect view of theology and we also say incorrect things about God, ourselves, and theology. We also see incorrectly the postings of possibly the best CAF member there is, Mr “Junior” (as I like to refer to him) Education. We end up reducing the truths of faith to esoteric statements devoid of any relation to what is real. God is real and transcendent and our statements don’t limit Him, only ourselves.

We receive truth, we contemplate truth, and truths, because we must reason from principles to higher truths by way of our intellect. Contemplation and mysticism are results of God giving us the grace to understand these higher truths that we cannot come to understand with our contingent human nature because we have no natural inclination to these. We are able to receive grace that orients us to higher truths by partaking in God’s Divine Nature. Hell and separation from God comes from rejecting this grace and placing some aspect of His Creation in its place. We must decrease while He must increase and the Church’s rules are here to set us on this path and to keep us there. Even the Franciscans can help us… although I prefer Aquinas!
Contemplation is not a method, it is a gift from God. You cannot produce it yourself. New age “contemplation” is divorced from dialogue with God. It is really just a self-centered hypnotic method of putting oneself into a trance.
This attitude is what I was talking about with my original post. There is a lot of talk here about intellect, logic, truth and dialogue. I have these things to one degree or another… but there must be more. The church fathers all the way back to the deserts of Egypt taught a process of divinization, "becoming “gods” by partaking in the divine nature. They renounced all their worldly possession and moved to the “wilderness” to seek this divine union with the indwelling presence of God. In the Orthodox church the process that developed over the centuries became known as hesychasm a “self-centered hypnotic method of putting oneself into a trance” as some would call it. The ultimate aim being theosis, or deification. Gods grace, administered through our participation in the sacraments is designed to not only forgive our sinas, this is just a start, it is to transform us into a new creation not to give “us the grace to understand these higher truths that we cannot come to understand with our contingent human nature because we have no natural inclination to these.” The Christian faith is more then just pondering on revealed truth, elaborate theological dogmas and philosophical doctrines. We are not “reducing” God to some esoteric statement of what is real. The esoteric is what is most real in God! Christianity is an esoteric experience! St. Paul was not knocked off his horse when God threw the summa theologica at him! When we replace the esoteric experience of God as man incarnate and indwelling trinity with exoteric dogma about logic and intellect we create as spiritual vacuum that must be filled by something. It is the mistrust that many Catholics have in their own mystical tradition that drives the exodus of otherwise well meaning people to new age movements and eastern meditation. Protestants do a good job of showing what happens when you remove contemplation and mysticism from faith. You end up as literal minded, fundamentalist Bible thumpers, who have whole chapters of scripture memorized but wouldn’t know anything about charity if it knocked on their door asking for help. We are not pharisees! The dogma and doctrine are not an end to themselves no matter how “good” they are. St. Thomas Aquinis knew a whole lot about philosophy and theology while Francis knew a whole lot about love, and according to St. Paul the greatest of all gifts is love. A love born from a realization of the indwelling trinity.
 
I am sure others more learned than I will have pointed out that if you follow exactly what St Teresa of Avila and what St John of the Cross wrote you can’t go wrong.

However, if you follow New Age or Far East techniques to attain that level of prayer and contemplation you will end up on the proverbial slippery slope. For the good of your soul it is best to stick by the authority of our holy saints, St John and St Teresa.

The several works by these ‘mystic’ saints are difficult to understand without a lot of re-reading and study. A good way to start is by reading ‘Fire Within’ by Fr Thomas Dubay. He uses the works of these two saints and the Holy Scriptures as his main authorities. Basically, it is not up to knowing the right techniques but it’s to do with getting your relationship with God in order, eliminating sin in your life, and taking time to pray and also to listen (for example, like when you are at Adoration). Sorry if I am repeating what others have written.
I have been reading on these forums and I have a question. What is the traditional Catholics attitude toward Contemplation and Mysticism? It seems that many modern practices (advocated by various authors to remain unnamed) are immediately dismissed as new age mumbo jumbo and anti-catholic. On the other had I am sure that many traditional Catholics find great comfort in the works of St. John of the Cross and St. Theresa of Avila etc. So where is the fine line? Are the historic mystics ok and anyone claiming to have a contemplative method today considered a whack job?
As someone who would like to expand their spiritual practice and seek greater unity with the indwelling trinity I am having a hard time finding practices that aren’t condemned in one way or another. I have settled on the Jesus Prayer as the method that seems best, although i am sure there is probably something wrong with that too.
 
on. Protestants do a good job of showing what happens when you remove contemplation and mysticism from faith. You end up as literal minded, fundamentalist Bible thumpers, who have whole chapters of scripture memorized but wouldn’t know anything about charity if it knocked on their door asking for help. We are not pharisees!
More Protestant bashing.
 
I was once one of those people so I feel I can generalize… I apologize if I offended. I should not have said protestants in general but more accurately fundamentalists rather than the more “main-line” denominations or “evangelicals.” But I stand by what I say about fundamentalism. Its bad in Islam and its bad in Christianity and any other religion as well.
 
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The Christian faith is more then just pondering on revealed truth, elaborate theological dogmas and philosophical doctrines.
In themselves these things are not Christian faith. They are part of a circle,which is important. They proceed from the life of contemplation and when we believe and live according to them, they facilitate the life conemplation. The whole picture is the Christian faith. Aquinas and many other great doctors are excellent examples.

Many people forget that Aquinas and Bonaventure were contemplatives, not to be mistaken with enclosed religious. Together they began to put down what they came to know through the reading of scripture, meditation sacred truths, the nature of God and the nature of man. This was the beginning of the Summa. Bonaventure was commanded to bail out of the Summa, because the Franciscans had a more pressing assignment for him, to write the official biography of our Holy Father Francis.

This is important for an good understanding of how the Christian life is traditionally lived. Many would ask, "How can the biography of St. Francis be more important than the Summa? Why would Bonaventure leave Aquinas to finish alone and go off to a mountain for five years to medidate and write about Francis of Assisi when there were heretics to conquer and souls to save?’

This takes us into the whole mystery of the Christian life. Aquinas’ response to his friends separation from the project was, “Leave the saint to his saint.” Bonaventure’s response was, “I will obey.” What we see in both men is detachment. The Summa was important and necessary, but even as important and necessary as was the completion of the Summa, more important was detachment. Neither Thomas nor Bonaventure are upset by the idea of sacrificing. Either one could have been called away to shine shoes and either one would have gone gladly and the other would have remained behind to finish the work without complaining. In the end, it was all about their relationship with Jesus Christ. That relationship is nurtured through great humility and obedience to the will of God and the will of authority.
Protestants do a good job of showing what happens when you remove contemplation and mysticism from faith. You end up as literal minded, fundamentalist Bible thumpers, who have whole chapters of scripture memorized but wouldn’t know anything about charity if it knocked on their door asking for help.
One has to be very careful here. Some Protestants have made great contributions to the world of Mystical and Ascetical Theology. A few names that come to mind are Wesley, Bonhoeffer (sp?), Br. Roger of Taize.
St. Thomas Aquinis knew a whole lot about philosophy and theology while Francis knew a whole lot about love, and according to St. Paul the greatest of all gifts is love. A love born from a realization of the indwelling trinity.
Actually, Thomas wrote much more philosophy and theology than Francis. The difference between the two men has to do with their work. Unfortunately, Thomas is often abused by Catholics. Many Catholics wave the Aquinan flag whenever they want to prove a point or win an argument. The truth is that they don’t win too many that way. If we look at how Thomas lived, he was a man of great peace, a contemplative, a very simple soul, and never intended for his writings to be used as a hammer. He was writing from his contemplation. Whis is very Dominican.

Francis, on the other hand, writes little, is as much a contemplative as Thomas, and teaches as much truth as Thomas, but does so by becoming a mirror. He reflects Christ for us.

Thomas puts Christ into words and Francis puts Christ into actions. Both are necessary. Actually, the Gospel of John is very clear on this. “The Word became flesh.” In this sentence, there is Word and there is concrete action.
I was once one of those people so I feel I can generalize… I apologize if I offended. I should not have said protestants in general but more accurately fundamentalists rather than the more “main-line” denominations or “evangelicals.” But I stand by what I say about fundamentalism. Its bad in Islam and its bad in Christianity and any other religion as well.
Fundamentalism is a form of exrtremism. Extremes are dangerous in any domain, politics, religion, eating, entertainment, etc. That’s why labels are dangerous. Once you apply a label to yourself, you run the risk of locking yourself into one mode of thinking and one way of looking at God and man.

The beauty of the contemplative life is that it rises above labels. If you look at Julain of Norwich, Francis of Assisi, Thomas Aquinas, Ignatius of Loyola, Teresa of Avila, etc, these folks were neither Traditionalilsts nor liberals. They were different and others labeled them from their point of view. These people were very free of labels. They were simply in love with God. They were not going to let themselves be trapped into this pious practice, that custom, the other tradition, this book or that thinker.

Instead, they followed a method of prayer and a method of living the Gospel that was consistent with Church teaching and from there they let God lead the way. St. Maximilian Kolbe once wrote that “true love is not attached to self, knowlege, or desires. True love is attached to God’s plan.” I have always thought about this and I have concluded that contemplation is a relationship with God in which we talk to him about his plan for us and listen to his guidance.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Br. Roger of Taize.
Someone should submit his cause for Canonization. We need a few Protestant saints.

Having said that…
holmj2674: Protestants do a good job of showing what happens when you remove contemplation and mysticism from faith. You end up as literal minded, fundamentalist Bible thumpers, who have whole chapters of scripture memorized but wouldn’t know anything about charity if it knocked on their door asking for help. We are not pharisees!
This isn’t bashing, it’s truth and while I don’t know if it belongs here, I think it’s too important to pass off. Maybe we need a new thread but I find most Catholics are woefully ignorant of the non-Catholic “Christian” world at present, especially in America. But they are spreading.

Protestant doesn’t mean Episcopalian/Methodist/United Church of Christ anymore. Now we have MAD - the Mid-Acts Dispensationalist who has no use or familiarity with the Gospels because Jesus words there are of the old dispensation and only for the Jews. There is only one Gospel: the Gospel of Paul which says: faith saves, good works are a lie from the Catholic Church.

There are more types of course, but what they all have in common is their extreme hatred of Catholicism. Ex-treme. Their pastors - ew - anyway, the guys that run those “churches” spend much time villifying us at every meeting. I actually asked one if he would kill me if he could. He did not answer.

holm is right. To see what happens when you take God out of religion, when the spirituality is absent, that process by which we actually connect in Time to Eternity, just look at the progression of those who break away. As soon as they abandon the Eucharist, …

It’s scary as hell out there, people, and I mean hell. For this thread, all I can say is, if I could wave a wand and make something happen, it would be a call to contemplative prayer in every Parish in America. Those people are lost. All their dead are lost as they never pray for them. And prayer is the most powerful tool available to any human being.

This is my constant a soapbox: if it is the vocation of every person to show forth the image of Christ, and if He came to save the world, then saving the world is our job.

This is an online site where you can pray the Rosary with people from around the world 24/7. Why can’t we use this internet for Contemplative Outreach that would be more than just education? Why can’t there be an actual lay order of some kind? In a year when the Pope got a Twitter account, I say it’s time.

I elect Br JR to get it started.
 
Someone should submit his cause for Canonization. We need a few Protestant saints.
I’m sure there are many Protestant saints. Unfortunately, we cannot canonize a non - Catholic for two reasons.

a) The Church has no canonical authority or jurisdiction over non-Catholics.

b) The purpose of canonization is
  1. To give glory to God for what he has done.
  2. To hold up the person as a model for others. You cannot hold up a person who had never entered into full communion with the Church as a model for the Church.
This isn’t bashing, it’s truth and while I don’t know if it belongs here, I think it’s too important to pass off. Maybe we need a new thread but I find most Catholics are woefully ignorant of the non-Catholic “Christian” world at present, especially in America. But they are spreading.
Protestant doesn’t mean Episcopalian/Methodist/United Church of Christ anymore. Now we have MAD - the Mid-Acts Dispensationalist who has no use or familiarity with the Gospels because Jesus words there are of the old dispensation and only for the Jews. There is only one Gospel: the Gospel of Paul which says: faith saves, good works are a lie from the Catholic Church.
There are more types of course, but what they all have in common is their extreme hatred of Catholicism. Ex-treme. Their pastors - ew - anyway, the guys that run those “churches” spend much time villifying us at every meeting. I actually asked one if he would kill me if he could. He did not answer.
holm is right. To see what happens when you take God out of religion, when the spirituality is absent, that process by which we actually connect in Time to Eternity, just look at the progression of those who break away. As soon as they abandon the Eucharist, …
It’s scary as hell out there, people, and I mean hell. For this thread, all I can say is, if I could wave a wand and make something happen, it would be a call to contemplative prayer in every Parish in America. Those people are lost. All their dead are lost as they never pray for them. And prayer is the most powerful tool available to any human being.
This is my constant a soapbox: if it is the vocation of every person to show forth the image of Christ, and if He came to save the world, then saving the world is our job.
This is an online site where you can pray the Rosary with people from around the world 24/7. Why can’t we use this internet for Contemplative Outreach that would be more than just education? Why can’t there be an actual lay order of some kind? In a year when the Pope got a Twitter account, I say it’s time.
I elect Br JR to get it started.
I believe that there is a great deal of anti Catholic antagonism. I also believe that there is a lot of error out there. However, those two beliefs are superceded by my belief that God calls us to be hosts at the wedding feast, not thorns in people’s sides. Therefore, we must be very careful how we speak about our brothers and sisters, even if they don’t speak as well about us.

I’m always reminded of the wedding at Cana. From the way that the story goes, Mary seemed to be have some connection with the couple getting married. She was some kind of hostess or related to the hostess, because she is attentive to the needs of the guests and the groom. That’s why she goes to Jesus and tells him that they have no wine.

If we contemplate on this, Mary could have left well enough alone. In Jewish culture of that time, if you planned a feast it was your duty to make sure that your guests drank 'til they dropped and ate until they got sick. In other words, you needed to have more than what you needed, if you get my drift.

Those hosts who did not prepare well offended their guests and the repurcussins were very severe. Your family name was mud for several generations. This is why Jesus often uses the host and wedding feast analogy to teach. To the Jewish people, this was very clear. The host at a wedding was very important. In Jewish weddings, unlike today, the groom is the host, not the parents of the bride. That’s why Jesus refers to himself as the groom.

Having said this, what we notice in John’s Gospel is that Mary is concerned enough to accelerate the events in Jesus’ life. However, we also know that Cana was not the most devout place in Jewry. These people whose wedding they were attending and whom Mary was so eager to protect from social ruin were probably not good Jews and if they had run out of wine, they were probablly not good hosts either. They were supposed to plan well for these events.

Despite their faults, Mary has enough compassion for them that she wants to do something, but can’t. So she goes to the one person who can do something to rescue them. She goes to Jesus. When we take this to prayer, what the Spirit reveals to us is true and perfect charity. It is a love that cares for the well-being of the other, even if the other does not deserve it.

In speaking about people within our faith or outside of our faith, our life of prayer and reflection on the Gospel should lead us to greater charity in our use of language and in our concern for others.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
Someone should submit his cause for Canonization. We need a few Protestant saints.

Having said that…

This isn’t bashing, it’s truth and while I don’t know if it belongs here, I think it’s too important to pass off. Maybe we need a new thread but I find most Catholics are woefully ignorant of the non-Catholic “Christian” world at present, especially in America. But they are spreading.

Protestant doesn’t mean Episcopalian/Methodist/United Church of Christ anymore. Now we have MAD - the Mid-Acts Dispensationalist who has no use or familiarity with the Gospels because Jesus words there are of the old dispensation and only for the Jews. There is only one Gospel: the Gospel of Paul which says: faith saves, good works are a lie from the Catholic Church.

There are more types of course, but what they all have in common is their extreme hatred of Catholicism. Ex-treme. Their pastors - ew - anyway, the guys that run those “churches” spend much time villifying us at every meeting. I actually asked one if he would kill me if he could. He did not answer.

holm is right. To see what happens when you take God out of religion, when the spirituality is absent, that process by which we actually connect in Time to Eternity, just look at the progression of those who break away. As soon as they abandon the Eucharist, …

It’s scary as hell out there, people, and I mean hell. For this thread, all I can say is, if I could wave a wand and make something happen, it would be a call to contemplative prayer in every Parish in America. Those people are lost. All their dead are lost as they never pray for them. And prayer is the most powerful tool available to any human being.

This is my constant a soapbox: if it is the vocation of every person to show forth the image of Christ, and if He came to save the world, then saving the world is our job.

This is an online site where you can pray the Rosary with people from around the world 24/7. Why can’t we use this internet for Contemplative Outreach that would be more than just education? Why can’t there be an actual lay order of some kind? In a year when the Pope got a Twitter account, I say it’s time.

I elect Br JR to get it started.
I have never seen the MAD acronym before, but I like it. And you are right. Protestants cannot just be lumped together into all one all inclusive category. It seems that year by year two things are happening in the protestant world. 1) the “main line” denominations are becoming more and more liberal. Lutherans, Methodists, Presbyterians, Anglicans, have all seen inroads and compromises in areas such as sexuality and gender identity that are splitting their membership. Many are driven to 2) Fundamentalist and Non-denomination churches, such as “Open-Bible” churches etc. that often have no higher authority than the preacher him/herself. They claim the teach the true faith, the “simple” Bible message, which is a quite literal interpretation of the Bible that has caused much violence to the Christian message and Christianity’s role in this country, as faith has become intertwined with the so-called “Gospel of Wealth” that we see conservative politicians use when promoting tax breaks for the wealthy and benefit cuts for those the Jesus says we are to protect. Contemplation and mysticism have little role in these churches, so anyone seeking an “authentic” spirituality will eventually gravitate away from these churches and perhaps Christianity as a whole. I have a sister in-law who was a member of a Christian cult who is now a practicing Wiccan. Her faith in Christ was destroyed when the shutters were opened and she saw her church for what it was… a fundamentalist monstrosity that was butchering the true message of the Bible. Those in the first group, the main-line denominations are, are open to quite the opposite trap, a relativistic humanism that places the “wisdom of the world” before Gods wisdom. Either way, Christianity is in a sorry state in the United States, and from what I can see its even worse among Protestant Denominations in Europe. I was listening to NPR the other day and they interviewed a pastor from Denmark and I was just blown away. She would not even say that belief in Jesus Christ was a central tenant of Christianity! Ok, I need to get off my soap box, but as a former protestant this is an issue near and dear to my heart!
I should also mention that there are many, many protestants out there, both in main-line denominations and evangelicals who are very faithful, sincere and wonderful people. I grew up with and went to a church with many of them before becoming Catholic. But I feel sad for those I “Left Behind” because they are missing so much of the true faith. These people are not anti-Catholic, they just do not really even think about the issue, and if they do they just do not know enough about the Catholic faith to make any kind of informed conclusion.
 
JReducation, I have really learned a lot from your post regarding how to use contemplative prayer. Thank you so much!

I started reading from The Imitation of Christ about eight years when I reverted back to church. It is such a jewel and I love how I can pick it up and read something that I need help with and the answer is always there. However, I have not been able to break a prideful habit/addiction.

I go to Adoration to talk and listen to Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament about 4 nights a week. My understanding of what His will is for me has become clearer to me. I also read from the LOTH, and pray my rosary during this time. I am no expert on the LOTH and so I just read evening pray and night prayer for the day of the week. I have always loved the psalms and scriptures so I really enjoy it. I often wonder if it is okay to read it this way.
My patron saint is Catherine of Sienna and I have read the book about her life by Alice Curtayne as well as Confessions by St. Augustine.

I know you are not a spiritual director but would you have any advice on how I can kick my habit so I can advance in holiness? Also do you know of any other books about Catherine of Sienna?
 
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You’re having such a great discussion and I’m actually enjoying it. I wish I could participate. I have a few questions too.

Keep it up. You’re doing great. 👍
 
JReducation, I have really learned a lot from your post regarding how to use contemplative prayer. Thank you so much!
It’s my pleasure. I enjoy writing. Before I became ill, I taught theology and did a lot retreat work and spiritual direction. This is kind of fun for me, because I spend a lot of time in bed.
I started reading from The Imitation of Christ about eight years when I reverted back to church. It is such a jewel and I love how I can pick it up and read something that I need help with and the answer is always there. However, I have not been able to break a prideful habit/addiction.
You must cultivate several things. 1) Continue to pray for grace. 2) Remember that you’re struggling. As long as you’re struggling to overcome an evil or even just a flaw in your life, God loves your effort and he delights in your love. 3) Addictions are tough to break and God knows this. We must not give up. Nor should we drive ourselves crazy either. 4) If we’re addicted to a sinful act, very often we reach a point where we just act on auto-pilot. When that happens subjective culpability may be mitigated or non-existent. To have sin, even venial sin, one must consent. Something that creeps up, because it’s a habit, rarely involved serious or much deliberation. Your confessor or your spiritual director can help you determine the degree of culpability. 5) Even when the degree of culpability is mitigated, we still have a moral duty to work to overcome the sin. We can’t just say that God knows that I’m addicted to heroin, so I can go ahead and use it, knowing that it’s going to kill me or at the very least, do serious neurological damage. I may no longer be culpable for the initial action, but I am still responsible for the future. I have to do the most I can to change it so that it’s more spiritually favorable.
I go to Adoration to talk and listen to Jesus in the Blessed Sacrament about 4 nights a week. My understanding of what His will is for me has become clearer to me.
This is called recollection. When the soul becomes recollected, he can hear the voice of God which speaks in a whisper, like that of a lover seducing his beloved.
I also read from the LOTH, and pray my rosary during this time. I am no expert on the LOTH and so I just read evening pray and night prayer for the day of the week. I have always loved the psalms and scriptures so I really enjoy it.
The beauty of the LOTH is two-fold. 1) Your are praising God with his word. Common’ no one can go wrong with that can he? 2) God speaks to you as you speak to him, because it is his word. The LOTH is all scriptural.
I often wonder if it is okay to read it this way.
St. Francis of Assisi did. He never chanted, never bowed, knelt or did or the things that the monks and priests do. He told his brothers and nuns not to do any of that stuff either. He was not anti monks or anti priests. He loved them both. He understood that the LOTH was meant for the entire Church. The monks and priests could get really fancy and solemn, but the common man does not have the time, knowledge, skill or place to get fancy. His brothers worked in frams, pig pens, with lepers, or were preaching and walking. It’s hardly a fine monastic chapel enviornment.

Yet, Francis has been acclaimed by the Church as a) The Mirror of Perfection, b) The Icon of Christ and c) the Perfect Christian. Not bad for a guy who prayed the LOTH in a very simple way and who had his brother-priests celebrate mass with the same austerity, because to him the crux of the mass was the proclamation of the Gospel, the sacrifice of Calvary and the reception of the Holy Eucharist.

If you’re praying as Francis prayed, you’re way ahead of most people. 👍
My patron saint is Catherine of Sienna and I have read the book about her life by Alice Curtayne as well as Confessions by St. Augustine.
Both are great pieces of literature. I’m familiar with both.
I know you are not a spiritual director
Actually, I do a lot of that and I’m also Formation Director for our Postulants. But I understand what you mean. I have never learned to do spiritual direction via a forum. I’ve done some by letters. I actually learned by reading the letters of Francis de Sales to Jane de Chantal. He’s an awesome man. You’ve got to read Introduction to the Devout Life. It’s awesome for lay people. Read that and your bible and you’re set for life.
would you have any advice on how I can kick my habit so I can advance in holiness?
Read above
Also do you know of any other books about Catherine of Sienna?
Have you ever read her work, The Dialog?

This site is great. You can find most of the Catholic Masters, some of the Protestant ones too and a few others. Don’t flip out on me when I mention Protestant masters. There are some very good ones. One just has to know which ones. Unless a good Catholic thoelogian tells you which one, don’t read them. But I digress, this site has many classics for free. What I do, because I can’t afford books, I copy sections and save them on my hard disk or on my memory stick. If I need to do so, I print the pages that I want.

I hope this helps at least a little bit to continue your journey.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
This attitude is what I was talking about with my original post. There is a lot of talk here about intellect, logic, truth and dialogue. I have these things to one degree or another… but there must be more. The church fathers all the way back to the deserts of Egypt taught a process of divinization, "becoming “gods” by partaking in the divine nature. They renounced all their worldly possession and moved to the “wilderness” to seek this divine union with the indwelling presence of God. In the Orthodox church the process that developed over the centuries became known as hesychasm a “self-centered hypnotic method of putting oneself into a trance” as some would call it. The ultimate aim being theosis, or deification. Gods grace, administered through our participation in the sacraments is designed to not only forgive our sinas, this is just a start, it is to transform us into a new creation not to give “us the grace to understand these higher truths that we cannot come to understand with our contingent human nature because we have no natural inclination to these.” The Christian faith is more then just pondering on revealed truth, elaborate theological dogmas and philosophical doctrines. We are not “reducing” God to some esoteric statement of what is real. The esoteric is what is most real in God! Christianity is an esoteric experience! St. Paul was not knocked off his horse when God threw the summa theologica at him! When we replace the esoteric experience of God as man incarnate and indwelling trinity with exoteric dogma about logic and intellect we create as spiritual vacuum that must be filled by something. It is the mistrust that many Catholics have in their own mystical tradition that drives the exodus of otherwise well meaning people to new age movements and eastern meditation. Protestants do a good job of showing what happens when you remove contemplation and mysticism from faith. You end up as literal minded, fundamentalist Bible thumpers, who have whole chapters of scripture memorized but wouldn’t know anything about charity if it knocked on their door asking for help. We are not pharisees! The dogma and doctrine are not an end to themselves no matter how “good” they are. St. Thomas Aquinis knew a whole lot about philosophy and theology while Francis knew a whole lot about love, and according to St. Paul the greatest of all gifts is love. A love born from a realization of the indwelling trinity.
who would call hesychasm a “self-centered hypnotic method of putting oneself into a trance”.

peace
 
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