"Contemporary" Mass?

[TrueLight]

And this is an example of the Traditional Latin Mass that I attend.
traditionalmass.org/mass/index.php?pid=1

Love the red. Is that SSPX?

 

[PA650]

Love the red. Is that SSPX?

Sadly, sedevacantism.

 

[TrueLight]

Sadly, sedevacantism.

Oh.

 

[laszlo]

-A different Confiteor and removal of the prayers after the Confiteor.

For better. The new form is shorter and emphasizes the sin by omission

-Omission of the Psalm at the Lavabo and other Offertory prayers

So those who believe that words have meaning shall not wonder how a food sacrifice makes a sinner (ego indignus famulus tuus) to innocent

-Addition of several new Prefaces and Canons

This option. The freedom is value. I almost always listen to the Roman Canon with the original prefation

• Removal of several prayers in the Communion rite

Making the communion of the people organic part of the Holy Mass

-Removal of the Last Gospel.

So those who listen to the words, shall not wonder why the mass is going on after they were sent home

-Abandonment of many genuflections, bows, and the recitation of the Gloria Patri at several parts of the Mass.

And many other unnecessary repetitions, to let us understand that the Mass is not just a set of rites, but pointed activity: Gathering, Learning, Offering; Sacrifice, Meal, Mission

 

[roadsend]

For better. The new form is shorter and emphasizes the sin by omission

So those who believe that words have meaning shall not wonder how a food sacrifice makes a sinner (ego indignus famulus tuus) to innocent

This option. The freedom is value. I almost always listen to the Roman Canon with the original prefation

Making the communion of the people organic part of the Holy Mass

So those who listen to the words, shall not wonder why the mass is going on after they were sent home

And many other unnecessary repetitions, to let us understand that the Mass is not just a set of rites, but pointed activity: Gathering, Learning, Offering; Sacrifice, Meal, Mission

I just pointed out that they were real changes, and they were not limited to those few that you pointed out above.
You obviously feel free to criticize the Mass as it existed before 1969 and as it exists in the EF at this time. That Mass, which you so readily criticize, spiritually nourished our ancestors including many saints and martyrs during famines and persecutions for many hundreds of years. It continues to spiritually nourish many of us today, when we can access it.

 

[CradleCath]

Love the red. Is that SSPX?

No, that’s an FSSP priest…completely in communion with Rome. We attend an FSSP parish once or twice a year. However, I go to the 12:30 PM. Latin Mass every Sunday at 12:30 at this parish:
saintjamesonline.com/

 

[Swiss_Guy]

When a parish says they offer a Traditional Mass and “Contemporary” one, what does “Contemporary” mean? Is it simply a matter of more modern hymns/music?

Contemporary is probably the NO Mass. I thought the CC doesn’t allow the Protestant/ELCA version of contemporary services (drums playing, etc

 

[Mrs_Sally]

Ask the priest at your parish or simply attend the Mass and find out. None of us here know what Father or the person who put together the bulletin has in mind.

Since you say this parish offers the OF, than the difference is probably just in the music.

 

[TrueLight]

No, that’s an FSSP priest…completely in communion with Rome. We attend an FSSP parish once or twice a year. However, I go to the 12:30 PM. Latin Mass every Sunday at 12:30 at this parish:
saintjamesonline.com/

Do they normally wear red? I’d love to visit an FSSP parish, but there is none close to me.

 

[TrueLight]

Contemporary is probably the NO Mass. I thought the CC doesn’t allow the Protestant/ELCA version of contemporary services (drums playing, etc

I really doubt contemporary refers to the normal OF mass;. Most masses are OF.
I read it to mean it is a Contemporary OF mass.

 

[ProVobis]

For better. The new form is shorter and emphasizes the sin by omission

So those who believe that words have meaning shall not wonder how a food sacrifice makes a sinner (ego indignus famulus tuus) to innocent

I don’t know how you arrived at that conclusion.

Old form:

Suscipe, sancte Pater, omnipotens æterne Deus,
Accept, holy Father, all powerful eternal God,

hanc immaculatam hostiam,
this stainless Victim,

quam ego indignus famulus tuus offero tibi
which I unworthy servant your offer to You

Deo meo vivo, et vero,
God my living and true,

pro innumerabilibus peccatis, et offensionibus, et negligentiis meis,
for innumerable sins, and offenses and neglects my,

et pro omnibus circumstantibus
and for all standing around

sed et pro omnibus fidelibus christianis vivis atque defunctis,
as also for all faithful Christians living and dead

ut mihi, et illis
that for me and these

proficiat ad salutem in vitam æternam. Amen.
it may be profitable for salvation to life eternal. Amen.

 

[laszlo]

I don’t know how you arrived at that conclusion.

Read the full text of the offertory. At the beginning:

quam ego indígnus fámulus tuus óffero tibi Deo meo vivo et vero, pro innumerabílibus peccátis, et offensiónibus, et neglegéntiis meis,

Thy unworthy servant, offer unto Thee, my living and true God, for my innumerable sins, offenses, and negligences,

and close to the end:

Ego autem in innocéntia mea ingréssus sum:

But I have walked in my innocence

If the words have meaning, the priest is cleaned through the food sacrifice before the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ. This contradiction was the main reason, why the offertory prayer was changed.

 

[ProVobis]

The priest is alter Christus (in persona Christi?) in both forms.

“As an alter Christus, the priest is profoundly united to the Word of the Father who, in becoming incarnate took the form of a servant, he became a servant (Phil 2: 5-11). The priest is a servant of Christ, in the sense that his existence, configured to Christ ontologically, acquires an essentially relational character: he is in Christ, for Christ and with Christ, at the service of humankind. Because he belongs to Christ, the priest is radically at the service of all people: he is the minister of their salvation, their happiness and their authentic liberation, developing, in this gradual assumption of Christ’s will, in prayer, in “being heart to heart” with him. Therefore this is the indispensable condition for every proclamation, which entails participation in the sacramental offering of the Eucharist and docile obedience to the Church.” - Pope Benedict XVI 24 June 2009

 

[Thomas_Casey]

There are two forms, one Latin Rite mass . . . no need to argue over this or to compare. Each person has his or her reasons for attending one or the other. Respect it.

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