Context is everything! Using, a so-called “Catholic source” to try to “disprove” any aspect of Catholicism makes absolutely no sense, what so ever!

[DallasTexas]

Wouldn’t you agree?

Jimmy,

I am with you 100% on this one.

Throughout my days as a Baptist I always felt like there was something missing; that I was some how not receiving the fullness of the Holy Spirit and the Church.

I believe that the Catholic Church has it right.

The best analogy that comes to mind at the present is that the Protestants are trying to make an automobile out of a motor. They inspect it, they tinker with it, and they maintain it (oil, gas etc). Generally speaking, most know the Bible very well.

The Catholic Church–through the Church teachings, sacraments, etc-- gives you the whole car chassis, fenders, interior, and motor.

Motors are neat to play with, but the car will get you where you need to go.

Viva Cristo Rey!

Your servant,

 

[Jimmy_B]

What Do You Think?

 

[joe370]

** Hey Jimmy B, You Hit The Nail Right On The Head!!!
**
Context is Everything!

Context is everything! Using, a so-called “Catholic source”, to try to “disprove” any aspect of Catholicism makes absolutely no sense, what so ever!

Many who understand Catholicism, realize that it makes absolutely no sense, what so ever, to use a so-called, “Catholic source” to try to “disprove” any aspect of Catholicism; no such source exists.

In order to use a “Catholic source” to try to “disprove” Catholicism, one must cite the “source” out of context, of either the totality of the work of the person cited; or outside the context of the totality of Catholic teachings; or outside of the context of Catholic-Christian history and tradition.

Moreover, in order to use the Bible, which is a “Catholic source”, because the Bible is a “Catholic Book” to try to “disprove any aspect of Catholicism, one must use an incorrect translation from one of the original languages, in which it was written or to play “word games” and use semantics; or cite the Bible out of context, of the Bible itself and “demonstrate” a conflict, which does not exist, where one verse conflicts with another verse; or cite the Bible verse outside of the totality of Catholic teachings; or cite the Bible outside of the context of Catholic-Christian history and tradition.

It appears that “personal interpretation” and the errors, which can generally follow, apply, not only to the Bible but to other Catholic documents, which address Catholic doctrine and Catholic beliefs as well. All of Catholicism can be explained and supported Biblically, historically and traditionally.

In order to understand Christianity, which is Catholicism, context is everything!

• Jimmy B

 

[paarsurrey]

The Parakleet is not subject to the Pope nor His inspired Word.

Hi

Muslims identify Muhammad as “the Paraclete” or "the Messenger of God " promised by Jesus to his followers in the Gospel of John as another counselor that would come after him :“And I will pray the Father, and he will give you another counselor…” . Muhammad’s title “Al-Amin,” translated by some as “the Trustworthy,” might be compared to the Gospel epithet for the Paraclete as the “Spirit of Truth” .
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraclete

Thanks

 

[wisdomseeker]

Hi

Muslims identify Muhammad as “the Paraclete” or "the Messenger of God " promised by Jesus to his followers in the Gospel of John as another counselor that would come after him :“And I will pray the Father, and he will give you another counselor…” . Muhammad’s title “Al-Amin,” translated by some as “the Trustworthy,” might be compared to the Gospel epithet for the Paraclete as the “Spirit of Truth” .
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paraclete

Thanks

correct me if i am wrong.
you mean to say that Jesus came to the jews, built a church for jews and gentiles alike, promised to send the HS to lead the apostles and His Church into all truth. instead, He sends the HS to the muslims people in the form of a human being? what about the apostles? they were left alone by Jesus after He departed?

:bowdown2: :newidea:

 

[Jimmy_B]

** Hey Jimmy B, You Hit The Nail Right On The Head!!! **

Context is Everything!

Context is everything! Using, a so-called “Catholic source”, to try to “disprove” any aspect of Catholicism makes absolutely no sense, what so ever!

Many who understand Catholicism, realize that it makes absolutely no sense, what so ever, to use a so-called, “Catholic source” to try to “disprove” any aspect of Catholicism; no such source exists.

In order to use a “Catholic source” to try to “disprove” Catholicism, one must cite the “source” out of context, of either the totality of the work of the person cited; or outside the context of the totality of Catholic teachings; or outside of the context of Catholic-Christian history and tradition.

Moreover, in order to use the Bible, which is a “Catholic source”, because the Bible is a “Catholic Book” to try to “disprove any aspect of Catholicism, one must use an incorrect translation from one of the original languages, in which it was written or to play “word games” and use semantics; or cite the Bible out of context, of the Bible itself and “demonstrate” a conflict, which does not exist, where one verse conflicts with another verse; or cite the Bible verse outside of the totality of Catholic teachings; or cite the Bible outside of the context of Catholic-Christian history and tradition.

It appears that “personal interpretation” and the errors, which can generally follow, apply, not only to the Bible but to other Catholic documents, which address Catholic doctrine and Catholic beliefs as well. All of Catholicism can be explained and supported Biblically, historically and traditionally.

In order to understand Christianity, which is Catholicism, context is everything!

• Jimmy B

Thank you joe370

 

[Lev23]

So far everything in this thread is wrong for one reason. The scriptures contained in the bible, both protestant and catholic, comes from ISRAEL.

We gentiles that come into the church are grafted into the Israeli Olive tree, NOT the other way around.

Jimmy B, give credit were credit is due.

All Israel did not fail, there is a faithful remnant, and always will be.

 

[Jimmy_B]

So far everything in this thread is wrong for one reason. The scriptures contained in the bible, both protestant and catholic, comes from ISRAEL.

We gentiles that come into the church are grafted into the Israeli Olive tree, NOT the other way around.

Jimmy B, give credit were credit is due.

All Israel did not fail, there is a faithful remnant, and always will be.

The Bible is a “Catholic Book”.

 

[cheddarsox]

In some ways this is like Catholics, or any other Christians using Jewish scripture…but interpreting it with a Christian slant, rather than as Jews interpret it, and then saying that the Jews are “missing” the real deeper meaning.

I mean if Mary is the new arch, the new eve, and Christ the new Adam…etc…and if Christ is the promised Messiah, why don’ the Jews see it, since it is all written right there is their sacred scripture?

But Christians see other things there, just as some Protestants interpret things in the Bible differently from Catholics. They acknowledge that the Bible was put together by Catholics, as Catholics acknowledge the OT to have been put together by Jews, but somewhere people feel that it has been wrongly interpreted.

Anyway, that is an outsiders perspective.

 

[Lev23]

The Bible is a “Catholic Book”.

The scriptures contained within are “Israeli”.

So yes, context is everything.

 

[Gabriel_of_12]

So far everything in this thread is wrong for one reason. The scriptures contained in the bible, both protestant and catholic, comes from ISRAEL.

**How ironic, you attest this thread to error and the first thing you state to qualify your statement is in error. The Israel of the old covenant rejected and still rejects the New Testament in the bible as authenticated by the Roman Catholic church. This Israel of the flesh (Old covenant) does not accept all of the old testament as authenticated by the Roman Catholic church. It is incorrect to state that “The scriptures contained in the bible,… comes from Israel”.

What needs to be stated here, is that the Roman Catholic church because she has spilled her blood by her Apostles, martyrs, saints, bishops, and popes in order to keep the Gospels proclaimed for these 2000 years unchanged, posseses the Authority in her Majesterium to interpret the Sacred Scriptures as revealed to her by her apostles and majesterium. Not to mention the authourity placed on her directly from Jesus himself. Who authenticated and canonized both old and new testaments of the Holy Bible as we have it today. No other self proclaimed christian sect, protestant, or Jew can make this claim and back it up with facts and historical evidence.**

We gentiles that come into the church are grafted into the Israeli Olive tree, NOT the other way around.

** What you state here does not qualify an argument for or against the thread, even though your statement is incomplete.**

Jimmy B, give credit were credit is due.

All Israel did not fail, there is a faithful remnant, and always will be.

**First of all In the Roman Catholic church there is no distinction between Jew and Gentile, we are set apart people of God that is why we are Christian, we are Catholic because we are the universal body of Jesus Christ on earth and in heaven. When you reference Israel which one are you referencing, the old covenant Israel of the flesh?, or the New and everlasting Israel of the New covenant in Jesus?

Jesus fulfilled the Law and prophets in his body and blood, which required a living sacrifice. The apostles were Jews and so was Jesus. The apostles are Catholic in their dogmas and teachings. If you follow the Tradition of the Apostles of Jesus you follow the Catholic church, and if you adhere to the apostolic Traditions then you follow the true teachings of Jesus Christ as recorded in the New Testament.

From the first century on… to the present these teachings have not changed in the Roman Catholic church. What is practiced in sacred Tradition is also in sacred Scripture. That is why the Catholic church put the books of the bible together. Because the Catholic church was originated from the apostles, and confined their writings to scripture (the revealed word of God).

Context must be adhered to when interpretation of the bible is made. For one the interpretation cannot conflict anywhere in the bible, secondly the interpretation must fit the thought of the author, and context to who or why it was written, thirdly this interpretation must not conflict with the old testament law and prophets. This we have the guarantee from the Magesterium through the Holy Spirit promised from Jesus Christ himself. To disagree is to disagree with Jesus not the Catholic church who is his messenger.**

 

[Jimmy_B]

The scriptures contained within are “Israeli”.

So yes, context is everything.

Hello Lev23,

The “Bible” is a “Catholic Book” and all of it, in one way or another, points towards Jesus!

The Bible is not the Torah, the Book of Morman nor is it the Koran…The book referred to as the “Bible”, was collected organized and approved by the Roman Cantholic Church and by Roman Catholic Popes.

Pleace study the formation of the Bible and/or Christian history and you too will see that the Bible is a “Catholic Book”.

Please tell me where I am wrong…

Peace

 

[Lev23]

Hello Lev23,

The “Bible” is a “Catholic Book” and all of it, in one way or another, points towards Jesus!

The Bible is not the Torah, the Book of Morman nor is it the Koran…The book referred to as the “Bible”, was collected organized and approved by the Roman Cantholic Church and by Roman Catholic Popes.

Pleace study the formation of the Bible and/or Christian history and you too will see that the Bible is a “Catholic Book”.

Please tell me where I am wrong…

Peace

The Apostles and the first Christians(all Israelis) used the scrolls of the Torah, the prophets, and psalms(all Israeli scriptures) to prove and preach Yeshua from those scriptures, at first to, well you guessed it, Israelis. All this happened before any church council claimed what was canon.The Gospels and Epistles were written by Israelis. The book of Revelation was written for the church by the very Israeli John, who was told to write down those things by Messiah Yeshua, or Jesus Christ, who of course is a Jew, an Israeli.

 

[Jimmy_B]

The Apostles and the first Christians(all Israelis) used the scrolls of the Torah, the prophets, and psalms(all Israeli scriptures) to prove and preach Yeshua from those scriptures, at first to, well you guessed it, Israelis. All this happened before any church council claimed what was canon.The Gospels and Epistles were written by Israelis. The book of Revelation was written for the church by the very Israeli John, who was told to write down those things by Messiah Yeshua, or Jesus Christ, who of course is a Jew, an Israeli.

All, good points…thank you…

 

[Gabriel_of_12]

The Apostles and the first Christians(all Israelis) used the scrolls of the Torah, the prophets, and psalms(all Israeli scriptures) to prove and preach Yeshua from those scriptures, at first to, well you guessed it, Israelis. All this happened before any church council claimed what was canon.The Gospels and Epistles were written by Israelis. The book of Revelation was written for the church by the very Israeli John, who was told to write down those things by Messiah Yeshua, or Jesus Christ, who of course is a Jew, an Israeli.

I dont know Lev23, if the Apostles were Israelis? why would the first century Israelis (as you call them) are found persecuting these apostle Israelis? Luke was not an Israeli as you call them, neither was Titus, and others. To blanket all the early Christians as Israelis is not reasonable.

The name Catholic is already in circulation and found recorded before the year 125 a.d. The bible was not put together yet, for another 3 to 400 years later.

I thought the topic was context, not the nationality of the early first Christians, who were Jews and then excommunicated from their Jewish communities for believing and preaching Jesus Christ to the Jews first and then to all the 'Gentiles. These teachings was handed down by oral tradition and then put into letters, not all got written, this is where we get Sacred Tradition handed down to the Roman Catholic church for 2000 years unchanged. These the sacred Traditions and letters from the apostles is what helped the Roman Catholic Saints, Martyrs, bishops which made up the Magesterium councils that canonize the books of the bible.

This is why when you hear a doctrine (teaching) from the Roman Catholic church it coincides with sacred Tradition and sacred Scripture without error believed in for 2000 years unchanged. So it is bad science to try and disprove Roman Catholic teaching using the Bible, because she put the books together under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and “what God has joined together let No Man put asunder”.

Peace be with you

 

[Jimmy_B]

I dont know Lev23, if the Apostles were Israelis? why would the first century Israelis (as you call them) are found persecuting these apostle Israelis? Luke was not an Israeli as you call them, neither was Titus, and others. To blanket all the early Christians as Israelis is not reasonable.

The name Catholic is already in circulation and found recorded before the year 125 a.d. The bible was not put together yet, for another 3 to 400 years later.

I thought the topic was context, not the nationality of the early first Christians, who were Jews and then excommunicated from their Jewish communities for believing and preaching Jesus Christ to the Jews first and then to all the 'Gentiles. These teachings was handed down by oral tradition and then put into letters, not all got written, this is where we get Sacred Tradition handed down to the Roman Catholic church for 2000 years unchanged. These the sacred Traditions and letters from the apostles is what helped the Roman Catholic Saints, Martyrs, bishops which made up the Magesterium councils that canonize the books of the bible.

This is why when you hear a doctrine (teaching) from the Roman Catholic church it coincides with sacred Tradition and sacred Scripture without error believed in for 2000 years unchanged. So it is bad science to try and disprove Roman Catholic teaching using the Bible, because she put the books together under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, and “what God has joined together let No Man put asunder”.

Peace be with you

All good points… Paul for example, was a Roman citizen. Nothing wrong with having pride in your Country. National Pride can be a good thing…I am proud to be an American…

Peace