Contracept mentality, cause of main dissent?

[PeterJohn]

Do you think that the current widespread contracept mentality of our western culture(that is infecting other cultures due to globalization) is a main or root cause of many problems with Catholic dissent? It seems as if the infection of individualism is causing many inherently good Catholics to reject this basic teaching of God plan for sex=babies. I’m seeing a pattern here…bear with me…

Individualism: Only I can know what’s best for myself, in particular, my own body. I make my own plan for when I will have a family and my partner and I alone will decide the number of children we will have.

Problem:sex = babies.
Solution:contracept.

Leads to problems:
—Unwanted pregnancies:-abortions, adoptions, single parents.
—Removes natural resistance to divorce(having children makes divorce harder{and less likely})
—the break between marriage and family(or marriage for the purpose of family)
—the break between sex and marriage.
—the break between sex and babies.
—the development of the idea that marriage is soley for love reasons.
—the development of the idea that now anyone should be able to get married if they “love”
—and more then I care to list

So, contraception breaks down this basic plan of Gods, and we start to see a compounding problem after a few generations of contraception usage. Today, 82-98% of Catholics think contraception is ok.(or so I’m told) so, this first seemingly harmless dissent from Catholic teaching causes quite a rift in our society. After a few generations of this being passed down from parents to children we have a kind of disregard for Church teaching. After all if the Church is wrong on one issue, why couldn’t it be wrong on any others. Hey, couldn’t it be wrong about divorce too?

This all seems so clear to me now after being a contraception user and having now learned the err of my ways. I think this may be the hole in the **** per say. Your thoughts?

 

[Michael_Allen]

My thought is that there are plenty of stable Catholic marriages, with children, where use of contraception does not lead to the problems you propose.

For me the method if family planning within marriage is a matter of conscience for the couple. When we have more married priests I strongly suspect we’ll see a softening of the teaching on family planning. But I am equally glad you can choose never to contracept, if that is what you think is right in your own family (i would hope that is a decision you make together as man and wife).

Accepting others have a different opinion.

God bless +

Michael

 

[steve_b]

Do you think that the current widespread contracept mentality of our western culture(that is infecting other cultures due to globalization) is a main or root cause of many problems with Catholic dissent? It seems as if the infection of individualism is causing many inherently good Catholics to reject this basic teaching of God plan for sex=babies. I’m seeing a pattern here…bear with me…

Individualism: Only I can know what’s best for myself, in particular, my own body. I make my own plan for when I will have a family and my partner and I alone will decide the number of children we will have.

Problem:sex = babies.
Solution:contracept.

Leads to problems:
—Unwanted pregnancies:-abortions, adoptions, single parents.
—Removes natural resistance to divorce(having children makes divorce harder{and less likely})
—the break between marriage and family(or marriage for the purpose of family)
—the break between sex and marriage.
—the break between sex and babies.
—the development of the idea that marriage is soley for love reasons.
—the development of the idea that now anyone should be able to get married if they “love”
—and more then I care to list

So, contraception breaks down this basic plan of Gods, and we start to see a compounding problem after a few generations of contraception usage. Today, 82-98% of Catholics think contraception is ok.(or so I’m told) so, this first seemingly harmless dissent from Catholic teaching causes quite a rift in our society. After a few generations of this being passed down from parents to children we have a kind of disregard for Church teaching. After all if the Church is wrong on one issue, why couldn’t it be wrong on any others. Hey, couldn’t it be wrong about divorce too?

This all seems so clear to me now after being a contraception user and having now learned the err of my ways. I think this may be the hole in the **** per say. Your thoughts?

I agree. And today so many people are in mortal sin, playing roulette with their soul. What’s interesting, before 1930, all Christians regardless of stripe, condemned artificial contraception. Today, only the Catholic Church condemns it… and for good reason.

 

[georget]

My thought is that there are plenty of stable Catholic marriages, with children, where use of contraception does not lead to the problems you propose.

For me the method if family planning within marriage is a matter of conscience for the couple. When we have more married priests I strongly suspect we’ll see a softening of the teaching on family planning. But I am equally glad you can choose never to contracept, if that is what you think is right in your own family (i would hope that is a decision you make together as man and wife).

Accepting others have a different opinion.

God bless +

Michael

I agree, I know many good marriages, where the couples use contraceptives, but I disagree with your vision of the future of the church. I see the collapse of the only true church left if they go the way you suggest they might. Just because something works it doesn’t mean it’s good or right.
God bless

 

[PeterJohn]

I may be wrong but its not left up to the married couple for them to decide if its right or wrong. It’s wrong. Infallibly wrong.

 

[The_Reginator]

Do you think that the current widespread contracept mentality of our western culture(that is infecting other cultures due to globalization) is a main or root cause of many problems with Catholic dissent? It seems as if the infection of individualism is causing many inherently good Catholics to reject this basic teaching of God plan for sex=babies. I’m seeing a pattern here…bear with me…

Individualism: Only I can know what’s best for myself, in particular, my own body. I make my own plan for when I will have a family and my partner and I alone will decide the number of children we will have.

Problem:sex = babies.
Solution:contracept.

Leads to problems:
—Unwanted pregnancies:-abortions, adoptions, single parents.
—Removes natural resistance to divorce(having children makes divorce harder{and less likely})
—the break between marriage and family(or marriage for the purpose of family)
—the break between sex and marriage.
—the break between sex and babies.
—the development of the idea that marriage is soley for love reasons.
—the development of the idea that now anyone should be able to get married if they “love”
—and more then I care to list

So, contraception breaks down this basic plan of Gods, and we start to see a compounding problem after a few generations of contraception usage. Today, 82-98% of Catholics think contraception is ok.(or so I’m told) so, this first seemingly harmless dissent from Catholic teaching causes quite a rift in our society. After a few generations of this being passed down from parents to children we have a kind of disregard for Church teaching. After all if the Church is wrong on one issue, why couldn’t it be wrong on any others. Hey, couldn’t it be wrong about divorce too?

This all seems so clear to me now after being a contraception user and having now learned the err of my ways. I think this may be the hole in the **** per say. Your thoughts?

My thoughts? A good summary there PeterJohn.

 

[The_Reginator]

For me the method if family planning within marriage is a matter of conscience for the couple. Eh? Where did you get the idea that artificial birth control is merely a matter of concience?

When we have more married priests I strongly suspect we’ll see a softening of the teaching on family planning. But I am equally glad you can choose never to contracept, if that is what you think is right in your own family (i would hope that is a decision you make together as man and wife). Again, it is not a matter of "what you think is right for your own family’. It is a matter of Church teaching. There is no room to argue with God on this.
Please see http://www.scborromeo.org/docs/humanae_vitae.pdf

Accepting others have a different opinion.

God bless +

Michael

From Humanae Vitae:

From this it follows that they are not free to act asthey choose in the service of transmitting life, as if itwere wholly up to them to decide what is the rightcourse to follow. On the contrary, they are bound toensure that what they do corresponds to the will of God the Creator. The very nature of marriage and itsuse makes His will clear, while the constantteaching of the Church spells it out.

 

[Aloysium]

In marriage, God brings the couple together to be joined as one flesh within a spiritual union in love, open to the possibility of the creation of new life.

Building a home requires responsibility, self-sacrifice and a working together on the challenges they will encounter; difficult decisions have to be made. Educational goals have to be achieved, careers pursued; money has to be earned to provide for the new family. One must act rationally when given these sorts of responsibilities.

In choosing contraception the couple makes real what they value. Where does God fit into the equation? How much is love, how much self-gratification. In following modern “rational” courses, to what degree is one closing oneself to God and His efforts towards our ultimate fulfillment?

It may not be easy to do so, but Matt 7:13 'Enter by the narrow gate, since the road that leads to destruction is wide and spacious, and many take it; 14 but it is a narrow gate and a hard road that leads to life, and only a few find it…

 

[latingirl]

//Originally Posted by Michael Allen

For me the method if family planning within marriage is a matter of conscience for the couple. Eh? Where did you get the idea that artificial birth control is merely a matter of concience?

When we have more married priests I strongly suspect we’ll see a softening of the teaching on family planning. But I am equally glad you can choose never to contracept, if that is what you think is right in your own family (i would hope that is a decision you make together as man and wife). Again, it is not a matter of "what you think is right for your own family’. It is a matter of Church teaching. There is no room to argue with God on this.
Please see scborromeo.org/docs/humanae_vitae.pdf

Accepting others have a different opinion.

God bless +

Michael//

THANK YOU!!!

 

[Usige]

Originally Posted by Michael Allen forums.catholic-questions.org/images/buttons_khaki/viewpost.gif *
For me the method if family planning within marriage is a matter of conscience for the couple. Eh? Where did you get the idea that artificial birth control is merely a matter of concience? *

When we have more married priests I strongly suspect we’ll see a softening of the teaching on family planning. But I am equally glad you can choose never to contracept, if that is what you think is right in your own family (i would hope that is a decision you make together as man and wife). Again, it is not a matter of "what you think is right for your own family’. It is a matter of Church teaching. There is no room to argue with God on this.
Please see http://www.scborromeo.org/docs/humanae_vitae.pdf

Accepting others have a different opinion.

God bless +

Michael

Reginator, did you not read the encyclical Facere Quod Volo? I believe it was promulgated from Winnipeg in 1968 by Pope Inobedientia. In it PP Inobedientia stated that the pravos liberos were no longer bound by church teachings as long as they believed the teaching was foolishly out of step with worldly reality. Even issues that had been clearly stated as grave matter no longer qualified as mortal sin since the teaching authority now rested with the pravos liberos.

 

[The_Reginator]

Reginator, did you not read the encyclical Facere Quod Volo? I believe it was promulgated from Winnipeg in 1968 by Pope Inobedientia. In it PP Inobedientia stated that the pravos liberos were no longer bound by church teachings as long as they believed the teaching was foolishly out of step with worldly reality. Even issues that had been clearly stated as grave matter no longer qualified as mortal sin since the teaching authority now rested with the pravos liberos.

Hey! I’m Canadian! I don’t need to be reminded of the Winnipeg Statement. *Facere Quod Volo *has had a lasting impact on this country.

 

[Usige]

Hey! I’m Canadian! I don’t need to be reminded of the Winnipeg Statement. *Facere Quod Volo *has had a lasting impact on this country.

Oops, missed that you were one of our friends from the Great White North. Didn’t mean it as a slight to you or our northern neighbors.

I wish none of us had ever heard of the Winnipeg Statement, but seems to be where this mistaken notion of contraception being a matter of continence comes from. Well likely it was just stating what too many others already believed.

For those that missed the joke here is a translation of my post:

Reginator, did you not read the encyclical *Facere Quod Volo (*On doing what I please/want)? I believe it was promulgated from Winnipeg in 1968 by Pope Inobedientia (Pope Disobedience). In it PP Inobedientia stated that the pravos liberos (diobedient children) were no longer bound by church teachings as long as they believed the teaching was foolishly out of step with worldly reality. Even issues that had been clearly stated as grave matter no longer qualified as mortal sin since the teaching authority now rested with the pravos liberos.