Contraception and vocations

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I have a theory as to how the widespread acceptance of contraception by Catholics and the massive decrease in vocations are connected.

Imagine a church in which everyone, by some miracle, comes to believe that contraception is a mortal sin to be avoided for the sake of one’s salvation.
  • In the short run, those who cannot stop contracepting, even though they know it is wrong, cease to receive communion.
  • The communion lines grow much shorter.
  • More people go to confession, and more frequently, as they struggle to make the Church’s teaching their own, and to gain the courage to cease the sin of contraception.
  • Those who cease contracepting begin using NFP if they wish to limit their family size.
  • But there arises an awareness that NFP does not mean simply “limiting your family size on your own terms”, rather, NFP is only to be used where there is a grave or serious reason to avoid pregnancy.
  • Larger families (and by this I mean more than the “two or three and we’re done” mentality) begin to emerge as the faithful welcome children on God’s terms, not their own.
  • NFP fails occasionally (possibly 2 to 5 percent “surprise pregnancies” even despite one’s best efforts) and “oops babies” are welcomed as signs of God’s providence.
  • Families begin to live much more simply (they pretty much have to), and more and more women stay at home.
  • Marriages to non-Catholics begin to drop off, as it is pretty difficult in our age to convince a non-Catholic not to use contraception.
  • Young men and women begin to seek Catholic spouses as a rule.
  • In the meantime, some young men and women begin to decide that marriage, and raising a larger family, is a very difficult undertaking and is not for them.
  • Many of these young men and women decide to pursue priestly and religious vocations, which are seen by them as more attractive than taking on the burden of raising a large family. It provides a satisfying, fulfilling life and becomes a desirable alternative. (And not to be crass, but they get free room and board for life, as well as a higher education free of charge, and security in their old age.)
  • More priests means more widespread access to the sacraments, and greater opportunities for holiness. More parishes, even smaller ones, now have the luxury of having multiple priests and Masses daily. Priests are more available for sick calls and to administer the sacraments to shut-ins and the disabled.
  • Catholic schools have more priestly and religious teachers, who do not have to be paid nearly as much as lay teachers. Catholic education becomes far less expensive and is once again available to any Catholic student.
Now contrast this with the present state of affairs in the Church.

If my “dream scenario” is even partially correct, the acceptance of the Church’s teaching on contraception solves a lot of problems — problems we didn’t have before the almost-universal dissent from Humanae vitae.

And though I didn’t say a word about it in the scenario I outlined, just look at communities where the Traditional Latin Mass is celebrated (FSSP, SSPX, et al). Vocations abound. TLM adherents by and large accept the Church’s teaching on contraception.
 
And though I didn’t say a word about it in the scenario I outlined, just look at communities where the Traditional Latin Mass is celebrated (FSSP, SSPX, et al). Vocations abound. TLM adherents by and large accept the Church’s teaching on contraception.
What is your evidence to support this claim?? Vocations abound here in the Philippines but there are hardly any TLM’s here.
 
And though I didn’t say a word about it in the scenario I outlined, just look at communities where the Traditional Latin Mass is celebrated (FSSP, SSPX, et al). Vocations abound. TLM adherents by and large accept the Church’s teaching on contraception.


If I might ask, what percentage of Catholics in the Philippines accept the Church’s teaching on contraception, and what is the average number of children in a Filipino family?

My entire scenario had nothing whatsoever to do with the TLM, I was just noting that there is a relative abundance of vocations among TLM adherents. Large families are in evidence almost anywhere that you find a sizable TLM community.
 
If I might ask, what percentage of Catholics in the Philippines accept the Church’s teaching on contraception, and what is the average number of children in a Filipino family?

My entire scenario had nothing whatsoever to do with the TLM, I was just noting that there is a relative abundance of vocations among TLM adherents. Large families are in evidence almost anywhere that you find a sizable TLM community.
How would I know. There are about 90 million Catholics here and unless I ask every adult nobody can say.
Filipino families are large.
 
I think the main consequence is youth leave the church - rather than the alternative of entering the priesthood.

I will admit I’m not convinced of the merit of no contraception. I’ve read the necessary literature and get the argument and philosophy. Yet cannot in all conscience wholeheartedly agree with it, even though I begrudgedly went along with NFP.

I know I would be a minority on a catholic forum.
 
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Alternatively, the Church decides that ‘natural law’ has been misunderstood and that the right approach is that marriages, not single sexual acts be open to life.

People unable to understand, let alone explain the present teaching immediately feel more comfortable with the Church and her other teachings. It feels honest to go to Mass and say the creed. People are able to receive the sacraments in good faith.

Shorn of its most inexplicable doctrine, the Church attracts large numbers of converts. People discerning a vocation feel able to accept all teaching and so follow their vocation.

The priest crisis is over. The SSPX uphold the old teachings. A few people leave to join them.
 
It is 2.9 according to the Filipono census (2015).

I wouldn’t call that high at all.
You don’t understand this country. A huge part of the population would not even feature in a census.
 
  • In the meantime, some young men and women begin to decide that marriage, and raising a larger family, is a very difficult undertaking and is not for them.
  • Many of these young men and women decide to pursue priestly and religious vocations, which are seen by them as more attractive than taking on the burden of raising a large family.
Nooooooooooooo! Religious vocations are NOT a haven for those who have failed at “regular” life or who want to avoid the trouble of having a spouse and children! Those who enter a religious vocation are called by God to do so. Any other reason for entering the religious life is a recipe for utter disaster.
 
I wonder how many kids are discouraged from entering the religious life because they don’t want to disappoint their parents’ dream of having grandchildren.
If you only have one or two children, you’d be more reluctant to “sacrifice” one to the religious life.
 
But there arises an awareness that NFP does not mean simply “limiting your family size on your own terms”, rather, NFP is only to be used where there is a grave or serious reason to avoid pregnancy.
This is not the teaching of the Church as far as I know.
All NFP is, is not having sex during certain times. The Church does not compel married couples to have sex at a certain frequency or at certain times.
 
It feels honest to go to Mass and say the creed. People are able to receive the sacraments in good faith.
Are you suggesting that people feel dishonest now in going to Mass and saying the Creed? That people are now receiving sacraments in bad faith?

The vibe I get is that most people are utterly untroubled about their dissent from the Church’s teaching, and that the Church is a cozy home for them, in which they can simply “tune out” the magisterial teaching on contraception and do whatever they please. They’ve already got their minds made up and they’re not changing.

Do many people not go to confession anymore because they are convinced they can’t commit mortal sin, or because with regard to contraception, they “don’t want to confess it and don’t want not to confess it”?
Shorn of its most inexplicable doctrine, the Church attracts large numbers of converts.
Is that really holding a lot of people back? Does the Church, in practice, tell potential converts “you must accept this teaching, or you cannot join the Church”? I know the magisterial Church does, but does the issue come up in everyday conversions, and if so, how is it handled?
People discerning a vocation feel able to accept all teaching and so follow their vocation.
If you are referring to priestly or religious life, I really don’t think anyone says “you know, I might well have a vocation to the priesthood or religious life, but I can’t accept the Church’s teaching on contraception, so I won’t pursue it”.
 
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Why are you assuming contraception is why people don’t go to confession?

I have heard people talking about not wanting to go to confession who are way past childbearing age or are not in a sexual relationship.
There are a large number of reasons why people don’t go to confession.
 
FSSP 2017: By the Numbers - Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter

District of the USA – 11 Oct 18

A Large Number of First Year Seminarians for the SSPX

This fall, the seminaries of the Priestly Society of St. Pius X in the northern hemisphere began another school year.
The article suggsts circa 65 new seminraians starting in 2018. The entire SSPX has about 650 priests, so if numbers are this high every year, the number of priests can be doubled in 10 years. Of course in reality this ins’t the case as priests also retire or die and not everybody who starts a seminary also completes it and becomes a priest. The article also says this is an exceptionally high number so they won’t be getting this many seminarians every year.

But nevertheless, pretty impressive. And it does explian why SSPX priests are on average younger than other priests.
 
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I have a theory as to how the widespread acceptance of contraception by Catholics and the massive decrease in vocations are connected.

Imagine a church in which everyone, by some miracle, comes to believe that contraception is a mortal sin to be avoided for the sake of one’s salvation.
Here is another scenario. Imagine a world in which the majority of Catholics do not believe that contraception is a mortal sin. Now imagine that the Church will not ordain someone who dissents from that teaching. Then you get today’s situation.
 
  • In the meantime, some young men and women begin to decide that marriage, and raising a larger family, is a very difficult undertaking and is not for them.
  • Many of these young men and women decide to pursue priestly and religious vocations, which are seen by them as more attractive than taking on the burden of raising a large family.
I don’t normally think of someone following a religious vocation as having “failed at ‘regular’ life”. That said, it is entirely possible that someone might pursue a secular career, see that they are a bad fit for it, and determine that they had a religious vocation all along, they just didn’t make the right choice the first time around, “missed their calling”, so to speak…

I also think it is entirely possible for someone, who is being called by God in the first place, would be less enticed to live a secular life if marriage and having a family were seen as more difficult than it appears under the present “two kids when we’re ‘ready’ for them, and then we’re done” scenario that is so common now. It is always easier to make clear-headed choices when all of the alternatives are seen for what they really are.

I agree that anyone entering a religious vocation must be “called by God”, however, God often makes His Will known through the circumstances in which people find themselves, and there can always be mixed reasons for following any vocation. And it is always possible for Our Lord to give people different callings at different periods in their lives (widowed religious such as St Elizabeth Ann Seton, for instance).
 
This is not the teaching of the Church as far as I know.
All NFP is, is not having sex during certain times. The Church does not compel married couples to have sex at a certain frequency or at certain times.
It is possible to use NFP sinfully, to avoid conception when there is no grave or serious reason to avoid it.
 
Why are you assuming contraception is why people don’t go to confession?

I have heard people talking about not wanting to go to confession who are way past childbearing age or are not in a sexual relationship.

There are a large number of reasons why people don’t go to confession.
No doubt. I’d like to see a survey taken sometime (not here, just of Catholics at large) to see why many people don’t go to confession.

I think the simple reason is that people don’t think anymore that it is possible for them to commit sins so serious that they cannot be forgiven outside the confessional. They think “I’m a pretty good person” and that’s where their thinking stops.

I’ve also got to think that some people don’t go to confession as often as they should because it’s simply not offered as freely as it should be. An hour on Saturday afternoon once a week doesn’t even begin to touch what should be the demand for the sacrament. And “making an appointment” is not as attractive as it might sound — for one thing, there is no room for anonymity.
 
  • In the meantime, some young men and women begin to decide that marriage, and raising a larger family, is a very difficult undertaking and is not for them.
  • Many of these young men and women decide to pursue priestly and religious vocations,
This is one big breakdown.

Religious life is a vocation, not a place for those who don’t wanna get married.

The best way to increase vocations is to pray more, be kinder to the priests in your life (little ears hear when the family has “roast pastor” for lunch because they don’t like his homily or his personality).

Encourage kids to discern a vocation. The question to kids is not “what do you want to be when you grow up?” but “What does God want you to do with your life?”
 
We’ve had this debate before on here. You do not have to have a certain level of “grave reason” to make a mutual decision to not have sex with your spouse if both parties are okay with that. A number of saints and beati have done this. They essentially were practicing NFP and had no “grave reason” such as physical health issues for so doing.
 
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